Posted: 7/20/2015 10:38:02 AM EDT
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I like Glocks, to this point I believed that they were utterly riliable.
Now I read that they can have brass to the for head, which is a symptom of erratic ejection. Mine seems to run just fine, but... I really want some hard info on what works or not, all auto pistols if you please. |
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it is hard to diagnose problems via the internet, but I would speculate that a lot of ejection problems originate with how well the shooter grips the pistol...I don't see many USPSA competitors having problems.... new, or casual shooters are probably a different story...if you take an aggressive stance and really lock your wrist and then have problems.... then I would look at how well the extractor engages the rim, and how much spring tension and slide travel you have... make sure the empty case actually is solidly held all the way to the ejector striking it....make sure that the extractor does not strike the barrel.... I'm not a fan of multiple recoil springs....
with a 1911, you have the option of changing the length and angle of the ejector... and tuning the extractor tension or using one of the spring loaded extractors like the Aftec... I ran heavy springs in my 1911s.(22# )and currently 17# ISMI un captured springs with guide rods in my G17 and G34.... and to the best of my memory have not had an extraction issue... Les L747 |
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I like Glocks, to this point I believed that they were utterly riliable. Now I read that they can have brass to the for head, which is a symptom of erratic ejection. Mine seems to run just fine, but... I really want some hard info on what works or not, all auto pistols if you please. So basically you want hard reliability data on every semiautomatic handgun made. Let me get right on that for you. Okay, okay, okay, sarcasm aside  , could you be more specific?
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OP, look at it this way. You were doing fine with your pistol. Then you read on the internet that you should not be doing fine. Trust your experience with your pistol.
From personal experience: Glock 17L reliable thus far through about 1,000 rounds. Glock 19 reliable through about 8,000 rounds. Glock 26 reliable through about 8,000 (maybe more). By reliable, I mean has functioned with nor parts breakages. Only the occasional stoppage (type 2, i.e. stovepipe), and I mean, maybe once every couple of thousand rounds. On all my Glocks I replace the recoil spring roughly on schedule so I have replaced the spring in my 19 twice and once in the 26. I do not wait for it to start having problems, I change based on round count (roughly). SIG p226 reliable for around a 1,000 rounds. Had one failure to fire. Could have been a bad round, but I'll never know. I just racked the slide and got that round out of there. I keep the rails greased on this gun. FNS-9 and FNS-40. Hasn't seen as much range time, probably 1,000 rounds between the two of them and have had no breakages or stoppages. CZ75b Compact reliable for about 2,000 rounds. No breakage. No stoppage. My opinion: Pick a gun from a mainstream manufacturer that has a good track record. Shoot it a bunch. If it works, you know you have a keeper. Everyone turns out lemons, but some do it more than others. You already have a Glock. No need to second guess yourself. Shoot it a bunch. Take a class with it. Don't worry about the interwebs. |
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Quoted: I like Glocks, to this point I believed that they were utterly riliable. Now I read that they can have brass to the for head, which is a symptom of erratic ejection. Mine seems to run just fine, but... I really want some hard info on what works or not, all auto pistols if you please. Not seeing the problem here. |
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I like Glocks, to this point I believed that they were utterly riliable. Now I read that they can have brass to the for head, which is a symptom of erratic ejection. Mine seems to run just fine, but... I really want some hard info on what works or not, all auto pistols if you please. Not seeing the problem here. Agreed. OP, I don't care what brand you buy, shoot the hell out it to satisfy yourself on its reliability. Yes, some gen 4 glocks had extraction issues, but not all. If issues crop up eventually, address them. |
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Any auto can malfunction like any mechanical device - none are immune. Glocks are pretty reliable but still can fail and the same can be said for beretta hk smith etc
If you are looking for the perfect 100% flawless function rate you will not find one. Also big difference between erratic ejection and a true stoppage/ malfunction |
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Glock swapped the tooling for some of the small parts a few years ago when the whole BTF "Brass To Face" epidemic broke out
I shoot a lot of Glocks in my profession, and I have not seen this problem in a while My real question is, If yours works fine... what does a bunch of internet hype from Tier-1 armchair commandos matter |
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Quoted: Glock swapped to tooling for some of the small parts a few years ago when the whole BTF "Brass To Face" epidemic broke out I shoot a lot of Glocks in my profession, and I have not seen this problem in a while My real question is, If yours works fine... what does a bunch of internet hype from Tier-1 armchair commandos matter All of this. OP do less reading and more shooting. |
| My G19 is reliable but I get BTF , I sent it back to Glock and they replaced some parts and sent it back. Still get BTF. They must not have tested it after replacing parts as I get BTF with several types ammo. My 92FS, CZ75b, SR9c, 95, and XDM do not do this so don't blame the shooter in this case. |
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^This! 10+ I'd only add HK USP to Beretta and Sig - in terms of reliability these three are the best! Quoted:
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In my experience, a Beretta M9/92 is the most reliable handgun evar. So is a Sig P226 in 9mm. Glocks are right behind 'em. ^This! 10+ I'd only add HK USP to Beretta and Sig - in terms of reliability these three are the best! I forget about H&Ks.  I have three of 'em and yeah, they're stone cold reliable...
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Thanks for the replys.
I've got a bit of a phobia about reliablity, sorry. Spent a couple decades shooting a double action only revolver, it was a S&W 686. Tens of thousands of rounds. Why? I believed that they were the pinnacle of trust worthiness. Until one day it went out of time. S&W was great, repaired without question at no cost other than shipping. But the love was gone with the trust. LOVE autos, and Glocks in particular, but I got this phobia...see? Any ways, I thank you all for the comfort and reassurances. |
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Quoted: Thanks for the replys. I've got a bit of a phobia about reliablity, sorry. Spent a couple decades shooting a double action only revolver, it was a S&W 686. Tens of thousands of rounds. Why? I believed that they were the pinnacle of trust worthiness. Until one day it went out of time. S&W was great, repaired without question at no cost other than shipping. But the love was gone with the trust. LOVE autos, and Glocks in particular, but I got this phobia...see? Any ways, I thank you all for the comfort and reassurances. Guns are machines, and like all machines they require periodic maintenance and replacement of parts as they wear out. |
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The brass to face/bad ejection is most common in 9mm Glocks (both gen 3/gen 4) from within the past 3-4ish years. I don't claim to know the exact cause of it, but I will say that a 30274 ejector and Apex extractor set fixed the problem in my Gen 3 G19.
If your's doesn't thrown brass at your head and has shown a proven track record of reliability, I wouldn't worry about it. |
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Brass to the head is an annoyance, not a symptom of unreliability. Unreliability would be a malfunction like failure to extract or failure to eject. Brass to the head can be a symptom of inconsistent extraction and ejection, which does pose a reliability problem. Watching ejection patterns is definitely a useful diagnostic tool. |
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Thanks for the replys. I've got a bit of a phobia about reliablity, sorry. Spent a couple decades shooting a double action only revolver, it was a S&W 686. Tens of thousands of rounds. Why? I believed that they were the pinnacle of trust worthiness. Until one day it went out of time. S&W was great, repaired without question at no cost other than shipping. But the love was gone with the trust. LOVE autos, and Glocks in particular, but I got this phobia...see? Any ways, I thank you all for the comfort and reassurances. So you saying it worked...until it didn't 
If reliability is paramount, a full-size service pistol from Glock, Sig, Beretta, and HK should fit the requirement. After that, most malfunctions can be attributed to maintenance/cleaning or cheap/bad ammo but even good ammo manufacturers can screw up a round. You make a million of anything in a day, you're bound to make a bad one. |
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My mother, sister, and just about every other inexperienced person I know, limp-wrists when shooting my Glock 17.
This seems to cause short strokes and brass to face contact. When I shoot it, I don't get it at all. Occasionally I get a case flying straight up, bonks me on the head as it falls down, but that has been 2 rounds in 1000+ on my current gen 4. |
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If your Glock doesn't ding you in the head with brass then you don't have a problem. In my experience, a Beretta M9/92 is the most reliable handgun evar. So is a Sig P226 in 9mm. Glocks are right behind 'em. My M9 was a piece of shit. My Sig was ridiculously good. My Glock is great, but my hands down favorite is my M&P. FN makes a good gun too, as does h&k, kimber, springfield, the list goes on. If you want hard data check out the archives for American Handgunner or Guns America. They have it all Pretty much as long as you're in the $400 and up range you're getting a reliable gun these days. |
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Your phobia needs management ! It is not a case of if a otherwise excellent gun will malfunction but when. This is why we do malfunction drills!
And a single malfunction should never shake your faith in a gun or cause some absolutely stupid relentless look for a correctable cause! A pattern of functional issues should absolutely raise an eyebrow but a rare malfunction no. I have not a single pistol that I can honestly say has been 100% perfect but I still trust my life to them but also can quickly and reflexively assess and clear malfunctions. Even the revolver you mention I have had a few stoppages as well. I have been shooting and carrying handguns for over 30 years now so if you do something long enough you will pretty much see every platform no matter how good choke. Those that say I have an x type pistol and it has never malfunctioned probably have not shot very much! |
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All of this. OP do less reading and more shooting. Quoted:
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Glock swapped to tooling for some of the small parts a few years ago when the whole BTF "Brass To Face" epidemic broke out I shoot a lot of Glocks in my profession, and I have not seen this problem in a while My real question is, If yours works fine... what does a bunch of internet hype from Tier-1 armchair commandos matter All of this. OP do less reading and more shooting. The Feb 2015 produced gen 3 19 loved to pelt me in the face with brass... I have never encountered a mainstream name brand semi auto that wasn't reliable... |
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My HK USP is hands down the most reliable pistol that I have ever shot. Zero malfunctions. Glocks are almost boring how reliable they are. I was able to induce one FTE in my G35 out of 5000 rounds fired. It was crappy zinc cased Russian ammo and a hot day, intense range session. You have to get snap caps for these pistols in order to practice malfunction clearance drills.
I have had .22 revolvers and .44 revolvers lock up, stick cases and do weird things on me, so in my experience, its a myth that revolvers are more reliable. |