Posted: 4/17/2014 6:03:24 PM EDT
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I did buy an R51 about a month or so ago. I did fire about 300, trouble free rounds thru this gun. I found it to be a very pleasant gun to shoot. It feels like an extension of my hand when I hold it. Again, this gun did NOT malfunction, it fed, fired, extracted, and ejected every round. The trigger is not a finely tuned 1911 trigger but it is far better than any striker fired gun. This does have an internal hammer.
The slide was/is somewhat difficult to rack. Due to the design of this gun, (fixed barrel, movable breechblock, internal hammer) the slide has lots of resistance for the first 1/2 in. of movement. After that it is very easy to rack. The rear sight on mine cannot be moved with just finger pressure as some can, but does move a small amount to the right with each round fired. After one magazine (7 rounds) the sight will have moved about 1/16th in. I can then "tap" it back to center using the magazine baseplate. I removed the rear sight with the intentions of drilling and tapping it for a set screw. I found that it has a hollow base and therefore there is not enough metal to drill and tap. I also noted that the breechblock and the area in the slide that it rides in have some very sharp edges. Very poor workmanship here, and poor design of the rear sight. I called Remington regarding these items. They sent me a return authorization and a container to send the gun in for repair. By the way, this gun is built for Remington by the Para USA facility in Pineville, NC. That is where it was shipped to for the repairs. They have had my R51 for 3 weeks and 2 days now. A call to Remington to "check status" was made. I was told that they are awaiting "updated" internal parts for all returned guns before they would be returned. They indicated it would be "several" more weeks. Do I regret buying this gun? NO! When the public is done testing these for Remington and they get all the issues cleared up, it will be one of the best all around 9mm carry guns on the market. Looking forward to getting mine back. 
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I've had very little issues with mine. I feel bad for those having issues and hope Remington gets them sorted out.
That being said... all my past pistols have been Smith & Wesson. And if the R51 becomes a problem child then I will just go back to Smith & Wesson. |
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I've had very little issues with mine. I feel bad for those having issues and hope Remington gets them sorted out. That being said... all my past pistols have been Smith & Wesson. And if the R51 becomes a problem child then I will just go back to Smith & Wesson. Are you seeing the weird primer bulges that others have reported? |
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Link? " Remington R51 Sturmgewehr " came up empty. Quoted:
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Watched the sturmgewehr review on you tube... Laundry list of overlapping problems on three separate r51s. No thanks. Link? " Remington R51 Sturmgewehr " came up empty. Tim @ military arms channel : First impressions Follow up review |
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I did buy an R51 about a month or so ago. I did fire about 300, trouble free rounds thru this gun. I found it to be a very pleasant gun to shoot. It feels like an extension of my hand when I hold it. Again, this gun did NOT malfunction, it fed, fired, extracted, and ejected every round. The trigger is not a finely tuned 1911 trigger but it is far better than any striker fired gun. This does have an internal hammer. The slide was/is somewhat difficult to rack. Due to the design of this gun, (fixed barrel, movable breechblock, internal hammer) the slide has lots of resistance for the first 1/2 in. of movement. After that it is very easy to rack. The rear sight on mine cannot be moved with just finger pressure as some can, but does move a small amount to the right with each round fired. After one magazine (7 rounds) the sight will have moved about 1/16th in. I can then "tap" it back to center using the magazine baseplate. I removed the rear sight with the intentions of drilling and tapping it for a set screw. I found that it has a hollow base and therefore there is not enough metal to drill and tap. I also noted that the breechblock and the area in the slide that it rides in have some very sharp edges. Very poor workmanship here, and poor design of the rear sight. I called Remington regarding these items. They sent me a return authorization and a container to send the gun in for repair. By the way, this gun is built for Remington by the Para USA facility in Pineville, NC. That is where it was shipped to for the repairs. They have had my R51 for 3 weeks and 2 days now. A call to Remington to "check status" was made. I was told that they are awaiting "updated" internal parts for all returned guns before they would be returned. They indicated it would be "several" more weeks. Do I regret buying this gun? NO! When the public is done testing these for Remington and they get all the issues cleared up, it will be one of the best all around 9mm carry guns on the market. Looking forward to getting mine back. So not only are you a beta tester, but you paid to beta test a pile of shit, and you're happy about it? You are exactly the kind of consumer that companies love. They can churn out shit, and you still like them for it. Well done. |
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Quoted: So not only are you a beta tester, but you paid to beta test a pile of shit, and you're happy about it? You are exactly the kind of consumer that companies love. They can churn out shit, and you still like them for it. Well done. Quoted: Quoted: So not only are you a beta tester, but you paid to beta test a pile of shit, and you're happy about it? You are exactly the kind of consumer that companies love. They can churn out shit, and you still like them for it. Well done. I disagree but at least we all know what kinda guy you are. |
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I got this one for just a little more that you paid; http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/Powerkicker/ppks_zpsbbb95b58.jpg It works.  
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Watched the sturmgewehr review on you tube... Laundry list of overlapping problems on three separate r51s. No thanks. Link? " Remington R51 Sturmgewehr " came up empty. Tim @ military arms channel : First impressions Follow up review Thanks. Good, honest review from MAC, as usual. I'll say it again. The Para Ordnance factory isn't known for Quality Control. Putting the Remington roll mark on there may help short term sales and keep that plant open, but doesn't fix the problem. It only sullies Big Green's image and hurts their long term sales. |
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I did buy an R51 about a month or so ago. I did fire about 300, trouble free rounds thru this gun. I found it to be a very pleasant gun to shoot. It feels like an extension of my hand when I hold it. Again, this gun did NOT malfunction, it fed, fired, extracted, and ejected every round. The trigger is not a finely tuned 1911 trigger but it is far better than any striker fired gun. This does have an internal hammer. The slide was/is somewhat difficult to rack. Due to the design of this gun, (fixed barrel, movable breechblock, internal hammer) the slide has lots of resistance for the first 1/2 in. of movement. After that it is very easy to rack. The rear sight on mine cannot be moved with just finger pressure as some can, but does move a small amount to the right with each round fired. After one magazine (7 rounds) the sight will have moved about 1/16th in. I can then "tap" it back to center using the magazine baseplate. I removed the rear sight with the intentions of drilling and tapping it for a set screw. I found that it has a hollow base and therefore there is not enough metal to drill and tap. I also noted that the breechblock and the area in the slide that it rides in have some very sharp edges. Very poor workmanship here, and poor design of the rear sight. I called Remington regarding these items. They sent me a return authorization and a container to send the gun in for repair. By the way, this gun is built for Remington by the Para USA facility in Pineville, NC. That is where it was shipped to for the repairs. They have had my R51 for 3 weeks and 2 days now. A call to Remington to "check status" was made. I was told that they are awaiting "updated" internal parts for all returned guns before they would be returned. They indicated it would be "several" more weeks. Do I regret buying this gun? NO! When the public is done testing these for Remington and they get all the issues cleared up, it will be one of the best all around 9mm carry guns on the market. Looking forward to getting mine back. So to sum this up, you say that though the R51 has had massive failures by nearly everyone who has reviewed it, from simple sights walking, failure to function, bulged cases, there own manual saying you can only shoot there ammo, then your return for repair and them not even being able to repair it because they are updating a brand new guns internals............. You still claim it will be one of the best all around 9mm carry guns? Really what are you basing this on? Im sorry but your opinion seems to be rooted in massive brand worship, and or romantic visual appeal. |
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A drop or two of medium-strength threadlocker may hold the rear sight in place if Remington returns it and it still malfunctions. A prick punch may help also, I had a CZ with a loose rear sight and fixed it that way. A couple taps on a prick punch in the dovetail raised up a dimple in the steel that held the rear sight in great. |
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I will probably buy one, but not until their are thorough reviews and all bugs are worked out on the weapon. I let other people be the guinea pigs In a couple of years when the public finishes testing and product development I'll take another look. Who knows, maybe I can find one of the originals. |
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Thanks. Good, honest review from MAC, as usual. I'll say it again. The Para Ordnance factory isn't known for Quality Control. Putting the Remington roll mark on there may help short term sales and keep that plant open, but doesn't fix the problem. It only sullies Big Green's image and hurts their long term sales. Quoted:
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Watched the sturmgewehr review on you tube... Laundry list of overlapping problems on three separate r51s. No thanks. Link? " Remington R51 Sturmgewehr " came up empty. Tim @ military arms channel : First impressions Follow up review Thanks. Good, honest review from MAC, as usual. I'll say it again. The Para Ordnance factory isn't known for Quality Control. Putting the Remington roll mark on there may help short term sales and keep that plant open, but doesn't fix the problem. It only sullies Big Green's image and hurts their long term sales. Their image is pretty poor in many people's eyes including mine. After the Marlin fiasco, crap ammo and my 870 that continuously jams, I want nothing to do with anything "Big Green". 
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I put a few rounds through one the other day. It had failure to feed with FMJ, failure to cycle, and failure to go into battery resulting in light primer strikes. The Winchester 124gr NATO round was the most reliable. Needs: Better machining, heavier slide, heavier main spring, better magazine geometry. |
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Their image is pretty poor in many people's eyes including mine. After the Marlin fiasco, crap ammo and my 870 that continuously jams, I want nothing to do with anything "Big Green".
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Watched the sturmgewehr review on you tube... Laundry list of overlapping problems on three separate r51s. No thanks. Link? " Remington R51 Sturmgewehr " came up empty. Tim @ military arms channel : First impressions Follow up review Thanks. Good, honest review from MAC, as usual. I'll say it again. The Para Ordnance factory isn't known for Quality Control. Putting the Remington roll mark on there may help short term sales and keep that plant open, but doesn't fix the problem. It only sullies Big Green's image and hurts their long term sales. Their image is pretty poor in many people's eyes including mine. After the Marlin fiasco, crap ammo and my 870 that continuously jams, I want nothing to do with anything "Big Green".
I place the blame squarely on Cerberus. They have crippled Bushmaster and it looks like Remington is following suit. It is a shame to see formerly reputable companies go the way of Jennings. The ACR failure, M700 recall, and now the R51 embarrassment all go to show that these companies are substandard shadows of their former selves and will continue to be so until Cerberus releases its stangle hold over them. |
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Local range has one for rent with a big tag twist tied to the trigger guard 'DO NOT RENT'
Range officer was nice enough to field strip it for me so I could see the internals. Totally trashed. Owner of the range decided it could no longer be rented because of the number of reported stoppages and malfunctions by customers. Its sad that these pistol are manufactured in America. China or South America could turn out a better product. |
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I place the blame squarely on Cerberus. They have crippled Bushmaster and it looks like Remington is following suit. It is a shame to see formerly reputable companies go the way of Jennings. The ACR failure, M700 recall, and now the R51 embarrassment all go to show that these companies are substandard shadows of their former selves and will continue to be so until Cerberus releases its stangle hold over them. Quoted:
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Thanks. Good, honest review from MAC, as usual. I'll say it again. The Para Ordnance factory isn't known for Quality Control. Putting the Remington roll mark on there may help short term sales and keep that plant open, but doesn't fix the problem. It only sullies Big Green's image and hurts their long term sales. Their image is pretty poor in many people's eyes including mine. After the Marlin fiasco, crap ammo and my 870 that continuously jams, I want nothing to do with anything "Big Green".
I place the blame squarely on Cerberus. They have crippled Bushmaster and it looks like Remington is following suit. It is a shame to see formerly reputable companies go the way of Jennings. The ACR failure, M700 recall, and now the R51 embarrassment all go to show that these companies are substandard shadows of their former selves and will continue to be so until Cerberus releases its stangle hold over them. Bushmaster was already headed into trouble because the entire AR market was getting better per dollar MSRP while BM was standing still. The entire endeavor is failing because Freedom Group is simply trying to rearrange the deck chairs ( branding of gun lines ) without spending any money to fix the problems that caused each gun company to be for sale and sold to FG in the first place. |
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Because like Remington, they let their best design department talent go years ago to save money and now realize you can't just crap out a good gun with nothing CAD and a monkey? Quoted:
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I think I understand why Glock hesitated to go to 9x19mm in the G42 now. Because like Remington, they let their best design department talent go years ago to save money and now realize you can't just crap out a good gun with nothing CAD and a monkey? 
No. Release a reliable pocket pistol in the caliber it can reliably run in, rather than push 9mm further into smaller and smaller designs. A .380ACP that runs is a million times more useful than a 9mm that crumbles in your hands. |
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No. Release a reliable pocket pistol in the caliber it can reliably run in, rather than push 9mm further into smaller and smaller designs. A .380ACP that runs is a million times more useful than a 9mm that crumbles in your hands. Quoted:
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I think I understand why Glock hesitated to go to 9x19mm in the G42 now. Because like Remington, they let their best design department talent go years ago to save money and now realize you can't just crap out a good gun with nothing CAD and a monkey?
No. Release a reliable pocket pistol in the caliber it can reliably run in, rather than push 9mm further into smaller and smaller designs. A .380ACP that runs is a million times more useful than a 9mm that crumbles in your hands. is the R51 about the size of a CZ 83? |
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No. Release a reliable pocket pistol in the caliber it can reliably run in, rather than push 9mm further into smaller and smaller designs. A .380ACP that runs is a million times more useful than a 9mm that crumbles in your hands. Quoted:
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I think I understand why Glock hesitated to go to 9x19mm in the G42 now. Because like Remington, they let their best design department talent go years ago to save money and now realize you can't just crap out a good gun with nothing CAD and a monkey?
No. Release a reliable pocket pistol in the caliber it can reliably run in, rather than push 9mm further into smaller and smaller designs. A .380ACP that runs is a million times more useful than a 9mm that crumbles in your hands. I don't see these problems as an issue with scaling the pistol up to 9mm. They look more like insufficient development, shitty manufacturing, poor QC, etc. I doubt these guns would run a bit better if they were .380 or .32 caliber. |