Posted: 2/16/2005 8:06:45 PM EDT
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I just pulled this off the LTW forum. Looks like kimber will be taking a back seat. And to think that some people are buying the warrior so they can say that they have the same fighting gun. It just goes to prove that it ain't over till the FAT lady yaks... General Information Document Type: Special Notice Solicitation Number: M67854-05-M-1038 Posted Date: Feb 15, 2005 Original Response Date: Mar 16, 2005 Current Response Date: Mar 16, 2005 Original Archive Date: Mar 31, 2005 Current Archive Date: Mar 31, 2005 Classification Code: 10 -- Weapons Naics Code: 332994 -- Small Arms Manufacturing Contracting Office Address Department of the Navy, United States Marine Corps, Marine Corps Systems Command, 2200 Lester Street, Quantico, VA, 22134-5010 Description This is notice of intended sole-source procurement on behalf of the Marine Corps Systems Command (MCSC). The procurement is for Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), SOC .45 caliber pistol posted in accordance with FAR 5.101(a)(1). The Marine Corps Systems Command (MARCORSYSCOM) intends to contract on a sole-source basis with Springfield Armory, 420 West Main Street, Geneseo, IL 61254 for MEU (SOC) .45 caliber pistol and associated packaging, marking and shipment. The following represents the governments intended parts list with quantities covered by this solicitation: (1) PC9111MC: Professional 1911-A1 .45ACR pistols Number: 150 The anticipated dollar amount is $284,850.00 Period of Performance: Date of Contract to 31 March 2005. FOB: Destination Delivery Point(s): 1. 75 pistols delivered to: DODAAC: MMSA01 Marine Corps Logistics Base Albany, GA Traffic Management Officer MCLB Bldg 1221 Dr 20 MF FSD MMSA01 Weapons Whse 1340 Dr 9 Albany, GA 31704-5000 Attn: Mr. Willie Harris, (229) 639-5533 2. 75 pistols delivered to: DODAAC: MMSA02 Marine Corps Logistics Base Barstow, CA DLA and G MF MMSA02 Bldg 625 WE Yermo Annex FSD MCLB Barstow, CA 92311-5048 You can find the link HERE |
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I haven't had a chance to check, but supposedly Pat Rogers mentions something this in the Dec issue of SWAT. Did anybody catch that article? Something about the Kimbers being too tight and something about the S&A mag wells not letting the mags seat properly or something? |
You left off a very important part of the message:
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Lets just hope SA INC puts better care and quality control into building these pistols than they do everything else. If a company like SA INC supplied our arms during WW II we would be speaking German or Japanese now. |
Pat Rogers has a MEU(SOC) article in the up coming April issue of SWAT magazine where he hopes to put some the "internet" rumors to rest. |
| I think you guy's are confusing two different units and two different pistol procurement programs. The link and info Tzyck has provided looks to be for the MEU(SOC) replacement contract, not for the permanent DET-1 pistol. I'm not aware of the SA Pro being bought in the past for MEU(SOC) units, but fifty Pro's were provided to DET-1 when it first stood up as a unit. They were replaced when the Kimber ICQB pistol arrived. Pat talks about them in the original SWAT magazine article about the Kimber ICQB. Pats upcoming article is about the current MEU(SOC) pistol program. |
Who's confused about what? No one mentioned DET-1 that I can see. |
I was referring to mcgrubbs comment on Pro's being purchased in the past. 
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Waiting impatiently for that article.  |
Last I knew SA was a supplier of 1911A1's during and after WWII, along with Colt and Remington. |
Springfield Armory supplied arms to the US military from 1798 to 1968. In 1968 Springfield Armory closed it's doors and it was all over. If you don't know the difference between Springfield Armory and SA INC you need to do a little research. SA INC has NOTHING in common with Springfield Armory except the name. |
Corn, As much as I've agreed with you on other posts/forums about SA INC's QC, DO NOT mistake the SA Custom shop with their "regular" offerings (of which I've seen and heard all the QC nightmares...trust me, I'm with you on that). The SA Custom shop is exactly that. A true custom shop with, at last time I checked, at least two members of the APG running things. The Pro is ALL made in the USA (No Brazilian frames or slides), top quality parts, and fit extremely well. The biggest thing going against it (sad to say) is the fact it says "Springfield" on it. Too many have had QC problems, and (understandably, but wrongly) assume that the Pro will have the same issues. They don't. Rich |
Actually I had thought that a batch of Pros had been bought for the MEU(SOC) program at one time. That is what I was referring to. I assure I was not referring to anything related to MCSOCOM Det. 1 in any way. I could be wrong though.... |
10-4, it looks like I assumed incorrectly. I thought you were referring to the fifty bought for DET-1. I know SA slides have been used on a certian ammount of MEU(SOC) pistols, but I've never heard about complete SA Pro's being purchased. I'm looking forward to reading Pat's article, hopefully it will answer alot of these questions. |
Kinda like Rock Island Armory and Rock Island Arsenal. |
I am sure their custom shop makes a much better product than the idiots that build their Garands. Even Highpoint make a better product than some of their $1,200 Garands. |
 Do you EVER post anything other than a Springfield rant?My 5 Springfield products are kick-ass. |
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MEUSOC pistols (built @ Quantico @ PW) and DET1 pistols (commercial built Kimbers) are two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT animals! So it sounds like this contract is for builidng some MEUSOC 1911s, perhaps PW can't keep up. Which is probably true. PW (Precision Weapons) is not that big of a shop, they build the M40A3, DMR and SAM-Rs, the USMC shooting teams rifles and pistols there presently. (and IIRC were the creators of the M60E3). BTW I own an OD green SA 1911 'Loaded' and love it! 
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My SA 'Loaded' feeds all 230gr hollowpoints w/100% reliability. I've not fired anything lighter in it than that as I believe the 230gr rounds is best. |
My $400 SA GI feeds everything from JHP's to wadcutters, 3 rounds in the first 3 magazines I ever shot out of it failed, one was a faulty primer and the other 2 were ftfe 230. gr ball. My round count is now over 1000, with about a third being remington JHP that I buy whenever wal mart runs out of winchester white box. |
I've got 2 SA's and they haven't heard that they're not supposed to feed hollowpoints. |
Oh. Mea Culpa. When someone says something bad about a custom shop, I ASS-U-ME that they're saying the production stuff is even worse. I shoulda known better.....I've heard you speak highly of SA pistols before. |
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ITs only 150 pistols, so I would doubt that this version of the Pro is THE new MEU(SOC) pistol. This is another stopgap it appears since the current MEU(SOC) pistols are simply getting old. The new MEU(SOC) pistol is specified to have an integral rail. Also, I belive the new MEU(SOC) pistol will not only be used by Force Recon but also DET 1 as well. The Kimber ICQB is "interim." SWAT mag has an article coming up in the April issue on the current MEU(SOC) pistol. Maybe some light will be shed on this buy and the new pistol. |