Posted: 8/18/2013 5:01:39 PM EDT
I have been preparing for my first handgun for months actually about a year.... I have three holsters, 6 mags, three belts, (on the way) are trijicon Night sights, and 1200 rounds of ammo including 150 of defensive ammo. I am really excited to pick it up tommorrow
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You were waiting to turn 21? Then no, not weird.  yes Some of my friends who shoot asked why I kept buying mags and ammo for a gun I don't own..... I simply said "so I don't have to scour around for ammo and mags, you would be looking for that after you bought bought a new gun wouldn't you?" they did one of those o shit that's a good Idea faces and changed the subject 
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You got me. Not strange at all. Sounds more right than most guys who have 72 rounds, 1 crappy holster, 4 mags and 3 pistols all competing for the same 72 rounds. Nice choice. (With the G19) Quoted:
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You got me. Not strange at all. Sounds more right than most guys who have 72 rounds, 1 crappy holster, 4 mags and 3 pistols all competing for the same 72 rounds. Nice choice. (With the G19) when I went in to put money down for it the first time I saw a FNS 9 for $529 it was really tempting as I like the feel and that its comes with NS and three mags as well if I only had another $500
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yes Some of my friends who shoot asked why I kept buying mags and ammo for a gun I don't own..... I simply said "so I don't have to scour around for ammo and mags, you would be looking for that after you bought bought a new gun wouldn't you?" they did one of those o shit that's a good Idea faces and changed the subject Quoted:
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You were waiting to turn 21? Then no, not weird. yes Some of my friends who shoot asked why I kept buying mags and ammo for a gun I don't own..... I simply said "so I don't have to scour around for ammo and mags, you would be looking for that after you bought bought a new gun wouldn't you?" they did one of those o shit that's a good Idea faces and changed the subject I remember what that was like. I remember some stores being unwilling to sell me .22LR in the early 90's when I was 19/20 years old because "It's used in both pistols and rifles".  Other places you just had to say "rifle".
As you've seen with the gun and ammo panic after Sandy Hook, buying it when you can, and as much as you can is never a bad plan. And with Glocks, there's lots of different carbines and things that use Glock mags, so it makes even more sense. |
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I can't imagine waiting 21 years for your first handgun.
I grew up in a conservative non-anti, but non-gun household, and I came of age before the Internet, and only had the benefit of rec.guns on Usenet through my college shell account in my very early twenties. And considering all the dumb shit I pulled with the airguns they did get me, I'm not totally sure I blame them. (worked out well though, I worked all the Oh-SHIT AD/ND stuff out of my system with those...)
Although I suppose it's really not that much easier for kids turning 18 and 21 with no gun owning friends/family now either. For all the good info out there, there's tons of Counterstrike/COD gamer and Airsoft bullshit to wade through if you don't land somewhere credible and a "real" gun forum first...
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I remember that day...
I was going to go pick up my Springfield GI after class. Ended up going out at midnight, went to bed around 7 am, slept through class, and didn't make it to the gun store.
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What are you getting? Your first handgun better be a Glock 19. worst advice that could be offered happy b day OP. congrats ,now relax and learn what you want/need/can use in a pistol, I believe you will find a glock while popular is not the end all be all of pistols dispite what you hear on this forum's overly vocal and overley biased glockophiles. How to choose a pistol: 1. PURPOSE First decide what you what the pistol is for. Plinking guns are very different from target, carry, or service hand guns, even if all are in the same caliber.Do you need/want a scope mount, night sights, a light rail? How you plan to use the gun will decide the features you need/want . Features to consider under purpose include: barrel length, sight type, finish style, and budget. 2. Caliber- what caliber do you want? This is the most important decision and leads to many compromises. For example 5.7 is little bullet, high capacity, low recoil, while 44 mag is a big bullet low capacity heavy recoil. Every pistol caliber is a niche caliber so what niche do you want to fill? 9mm,40S&W, and 45are the compromise area and therefore the area of most debate. Please consider availability and price of ammo in your decision. 3.Capacity weight & size- these go together because after caliber size of the hand gun has the most effect on capacity. From a 5 shot J frame to a 20shot XDM . This is a major area of concern because ergonomics, shootability (grip and felt recoil ), weight and control are highly affected by size. How/if you plan to carry where you want to place your holster and you style of clothing all should play a role in deciding the size of the pistol you purchase. If you are looking for a nightstand only pistol then size is less important. 4.Trigger- In the last 10 years,many new options have come to the market and this is a major factor in what you choose as your pistol. a.Single action –(SA)1911 or colt single action army you must pull back the hammer to cock the action with a 1911 and other automatics the slide automatically does this. These offer great triggers with light short pulls and precise control and repeatability but are generally not as safe as other trigger options and need a positive safety (just my opinion). b.double action (DA)the trigger is connected to the hammer so pulling the trigger cocks the hammer and fires the gun. Think a capgun toy. This is very common on revolvers. Where the trigger pull also rotates the cylinder. DA often has very heavy long trigger pulls a version called double action only (DAO) is often used by police agencies because it is believed that this trigger will lower accidental discharges and make the agency less prone to lawsuits. c. double action/ Single action (DA/SA) the first pull is the long heavy double action but the slide then cocks the hammer during cycling making each additional shot the short light single action. This has been the most common trigger style since WWII.it offers the first shot safety of DA and the great SA trigger on follow-ups. The disadvantage is there are 2 different triggers to master on the same gun. d.Striker fired – There is no hammer. The striker is basically a firing pin, the trigger pulls back and releases the firing pin offering a lighter shorter DA style trigger pull. These have become very popular in the last 20 years and this style is offered in every large manufacturer’s line. 5. Mag release -Basically they’re three types, and this is a defining step in choosing the perfect pistol a.American- the button behind the trigger you have most likely seen before. It is very fast especially with drop free magazines and can be used without changing your grip if your hands are large enough. Often reversible for left or right hand operation. b.European- a heel press on the bottom of the pistol’s grip. You must take the pistol off target and use your non firing hand to remove the magazine. Much slower and clumsier than American style mag release. c.Paddle – a paddle release is a paddle or lever flush with the bottom of the trigger guard you can use your trigger finger to drop the mag; or like American style, use your thumb to drop the mag.as fast American style with drop free mags, if you have smaller hands this is a great option. But is still rare only offered on H&K and Walther pistols. 6.Safety-last but far from least important the safety options. There are basically two types of safeties and a bewildering number of subcategories from there. a.Positive safeties – these are a switch that locks the trigger or disengages the firing pin. b.Integral safeties- these are somewhat passive such as trigger safeties or grip safeties and are usually disengaged automatically as you go through the motions of firing the pistol. c.None- pistols with no safety often use a heavy DA trigger pull as a way of preventing accidental discharges. 7.Ergonomics How the pistol fits in your hand should be one of the most important factors in deciding what to buy. Pay specific attention to where your trigger finger naturally rest on the trigger. Also insure the pistol is high enough in the hand so that the slide does not cut the webbing of your hand in cycling. Many manufacturers offer models with different size back straps or grip side plates. Some pistols let you completely replace the grip with different sizes.Can you easily reach the mag release slide release and safety without changing your grip? on compact and sub compacts all you fingers may not fit on the grip pierce makes special magazine bottom plates for some models to remedy this.many sub compacts are uncomfortable or hard to shoot accurately if you are a beginner. The pistol you purchase should be comfortable for you to hold and aim. 8. Perceived recoil The recoil that you feel is perceived recoil it is derived from the velocity and weight of the bullet and negated somewhat by the weight and ergonomics of the gun. a big gun (like a beretta 92)in 9mm will have less Perceived recoil than a small 9mm (like a glock 26). bore axis (the height of the muzzle over the web between your thumb and trigger finger) also plays a role in muzzle flip a high bore axis causes more muzzle rise thus more Perceived recoil a low bore axis allows for less Perceived recoil through reduced muzzle rise. Shoot as many different pistols as you can. Find your preference with each area listed above then find the pistol that offers all your preferences in one package trust me in today's market it is out there unless you choose an odd caliber. |
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worst advice that could be offered happy b day OP. congrats ,now relax and learn what you want/need/can use in a pistol, I believe you will find a glock while popular is not the end all be all of pistols dispite what you hear on this forum's overly vocal and overley biased glockophiles. How to choose a pistol: 1. PURPOSE First decide what you what the pistol is for. Plinking guns are very different from target, carry, or service hand guns, even if all are in the same caliber.Do you need/want a scope mount, night sights, a light rail? How you plan to use the gun will decide the features you need/want . Features to consider under purpose include: barrel length, sight type, finish style, and budget. 2. Caliber- what caliber do you want? This is the most important decision and leads to many compromises. For example 5.7 is little bullet, high capacity, low recoil, while 44 mag is a big bullet low capacity heavy recoil. Every pistol caliber is a niche caliber so what niche do you want to fill? 9mm,40S&W, and 45are the compromise area and therefore the area of most debate. Please consider availability and price of ammo in your decision. 3.Capacity weight & size- these go together because after caliber size of the hand gun has the most effect on capacity. From a 5 shot J frame to a 20shot XDM . This is a major area of concern because ergonomics, shootability (grip and felt recoil ), weight and control are highly affected by size. How/if you plan to carry where you want to place your holster and you style of clothing all should play a role in deciding the size of the pistol you purchase. If you are looking for a nightstand only pistol then size is less important. 4.Trigger- In the last 10 years,many new options have come to the market and this is a major factor in what you choose as your pistol. a.Single action –(SA)1911 or colt single action army you must pull back the hammer to cock the action with a 1911 and other automatics the slide automatically does this. These offer great triggers with light short pulls and precise control and repeatability but are generally not as safe as other trigger options and need a positive safety (just my opinion). b.double action (DA)the trigger is connected to the hammer so pulling the trigger cocks the hammer and fires the gun. Think a capgun toy. This is very common on revolvers. Where the trigger pull also rotates the cylinder. DA often has very heavy long trigger pulls a version called double action only (DAO) is often used by police agencies because it is believed that this trigger will lower accidental discharges and make the agency less prone to lawsuits. c. double action/ Single action (DA/SA) the first pull is the long heavy double action but the slide then cocks the hammer during cycling making each additional shot the short light single action. This has been the most common trigger style since WWII.it offers the first shot safety of DA and the great SA trigger on follow-ups. The disadvantage is there are 2 different triggers to master on the same gun. d.Striker fired – There is no hammer. The striker is basically a firing pin, the trigger pulls back and releases the firing pin offering a lighter shorter DA style trigger pull. These have become very popular in the last 20 years and this style is offered in every large manufacturer’s line. 5. Mag release -Basically they’re three types, and this is a defining step in choosing the perfect pistol a.American- the button behind the trigger you have most likely seen before. It is very fast especially with drop free magazines and can be used without changing your grip if your hands are large enough. Often reversible for left or right hand operation. b.European- a heel press on the bottom of the pistol’s grip. You must take the pistol off target and use your non firing hand to remove the magazine. Much slower and clumsier than American style mag release. c.Paddle – a paddle release is a paddle or lever flush with the bottom of the trigger guard you can use your trigger finger to drop the mag; or like American style, use your thumb to drop the mag.as fast American style with drop free mags, if you have smaller hands this is a great option. But is still rare only offered on H&K and Walther pistols. 6.Safety-last but far from least important the safety options. There are basically two types of safeties and a bewildering number of subcategories from there. a.Positive safeties – these are a switch that locks the trigger or disengages the firing pin. b.Integral safeties- these are somewhat passive such as trigger safeties or grip safeties and are usually disengaged automatically as you go through the motions of firing the pistol. c.None- pistols with no safety often use a heavy DA trigger pull as a way of preventing accidental discharges. 7.Ergonomics How the pistol fits in your hand should be one of the most important factors in deciding what to buy. Pay specific attention to where your trigger finger naturally rest on the trigger. Also insure the pistol is high enough in the hand so that the slide does not cut the webbing of your hand in cycling. Many manufacturers offer models with different size back straps or grip side plates. Some pistols let you completely replace the grip with different sizes.Can you easily reach the mag release slide release and safety without changing your grip? on compact and sub compacts all you fingers may not fit on the grip pierce makes special magazine bottom plates for some models to remedy this.many sub compacts are uncomfortable or hard to shoot accurately if you are a beginner. The pistol you purchase should be comfortable for you to hold and aim. 8. Perceived recoil The recoil that you feel is perceived recoil it is derived from the velocity and weight of the bullet and negated somewhat by the weight and ergonomics of the gun. a big gun (like a beretta 92)in 9mm will have less Perceived recoil than a small 9mm (like a glock 26). bore axis (the height of the muzzle over the web between your thumb and trigger finger) also plays a role in muzzle flip a high bore axis causes more muzzle rise thus more Perceived recoil a low bore axis allows for less Perceived recoil through reduced muzzle rise. Shoot as many different pistols as you can. Find your preference with each area listed above then find the pistol that offers all your preferences in one package trust me in today's market it is out there unless you choose an odd caliber. Quoted:
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What are you getting? Your first handgun better be a Glock 19. worst advice that could be offered happy b day OP. congrats ,now relax and learn what you want/need/can use in a pistol, I believe you will find a glock while popular is not the end all be all of pistols dispite what you hear on this forum's overly vocal and overley biased glockophiles. How to choose a pistol: 1. PURPOSE First decide what you what the pistol is for. Plinking guns are very different from target, carry, or service hand guns, even if all are in the same caliber.Do you need/want a scope mount, night sights, a light rail? How you plan to use the gun will decide the features you need/want . Features to consider under purpose include: barrel length, sight type, finish style, and budget. 2. Caliber- what caliber do you want? This is the most important decision and leads to many compromises. For example 5.7 is little bullet, high capacity, low recoil, while 44 mag is a big bullet low capacity heavy recoil. Every pistol caliber is a niche caliber so what niche do you want to fill? 9mm,40S&W, and 45are the compromise area and therefore the area of most debate. Please consider availability and price of ammo in your decision. 3.Capacity weight & size- these go together because after caliber size of the hand gun has the most effect on capacity. From a 5 shot J frame to a 20shot XDM . This is a major area of concern because ergonomics, shootability (grip and felt recoil ), weight and control are highly affected by size. How/if you plan to carry where you want to place your holster and you style of clothing all should play a role in deciding the size of the pistol you purchase. If you are looking for a nightstand only pistol then size is less important. 4.Trigger- In the last 10 years,many new options have come to the market and this is a major factor in what you choose as your pistol. a.Single action –(SA)1911 or colt single action army you must pull back the hammer to cock the action with a 1911 and other automatics the slide automatically does this. These offer great triggers with light short pulls and precise control and repeatability but are generally not as safe as other trigger options and need a positive safety (just my opinion). b.double action (DA)the trigger is connected to the hammer so pulling the trigger cocks the hammer and fires the gun. Think a capgun toy. This is very common on revolvers. Where the trigger pull also rotates the cylinder. DA often has very heavy long trigger pulls a version called double action only (DAO) is often used by police agencies because it is believed that this trigger will lower accidental discharges and make the agency less prone to lawsuits. c. double action/ Single action (DA/SA) the first pull is the long heavy double action but the slide then cocks the hammer during cycling making each additional shot the short light single action. This has been the most common trigger style since WWII.it offers the first shot safety of DA and the great SA trigger on follow-ups. The disadvantage is there are 2 different triggers to master on the same gun. d.Striker fired – There is no hammer. The striker is basically a firing pin, the trigger pulls back and releases the firing pin offering a lighter shorter DA style trigger pull. These have become very popular in the last 20 years and this style is offered in every large manufacturer’s line. 5. Mag release -Basically they’re three types, and this is a defining step in choosing the perfect pistol a.American- the button behind the trigger you have most likely seen before. It is very fast especially with drop free magazines and can be used without changing your grip if your hands are large enough. Often reversible for left or right hand operation. b.European- a heel press on the bottom of the pistol’s grip. You must take the pistol off target and use your non firing hand to remove the magazine. Much slower and clumsier than American style mag release. c.Paddle – a paddle release is a paddle or lever flush with the bottom of the trigger guard you can use your trigger finger to drop the mag; or like American style, use your thumb to drop the mag.as fast American style with drop free mags, if you have smaller hands this is a great option. But is still rare only offered on H&K and Walther pistols. 6.Safety-last but far from least important the safety options. There are basically two types of safeties and a bewildering number of subcategories from there. a.Positive safeties – these are a switch that locks the trigger or disengages the firing pin. b.Integral safeties- these are somewhat passive such as trigger safeties or grip safeties and are usually disengaged automatically as you go through the motions of firing the pistol. c.None- pistols with no safety often use a heavy DA trigger pull as a way of preventing accidental discharges. 7.Ergonomics How the pistol fits in your hand should be one of the most important factors in deciding what to buy. Pay specific attention to where your trigger finger naturally rest on the trigger. Also insure the pistol is high enough in the hand so that the slide does not cut the webbing of your hand in cycling. Many manufacturers offer models with different size back straps or grip side plates. Some pistols let you completely replace the grip with different sizes.Can you easily reach the mag release slide release and safety without changing your grip? on compact and sub compacts all you fingers may not fit on the grip pierce makes special magazine bottom plates for some models to remedy this.many sub compacts are uncomfortable or hard to shoot accurately if you are a beginner. The pistol you purchase should be comfortable for you to hold and aim. 8. Perceived recoil The recoil that you feel is perceived recoil it is derived from the velocity and weight of the bullet and negated somewhat by the weight and ergonomics of the gun. a big gun (like a beretta 92)in 9mm will have less Perceived recoil than a small 9mm (like a glock 26). bore axis (the height of the muzzle over the web between your thumb and trigger finger) also plays a role in muzzle flip a high bore axis causes more muzzle rise thus more Perceived recoil a low bore axis allows for less Perceived recoil through reduced muzzle rise. Shoot as many different pistols as you can. Find your preference with each area listed above then find the pistol that offers all your preferences in one package trust me in today's market it is out there unless you choose an odd caliber. Blah blah blah...
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Yeah, my first pistol was a Ruger P89. Practically speaking, it probably should have been a .22LR, but I was turning 21 in 1994... when the AWB was on the horizon. And anything with a capacity over 10 rounds was a hot commodity and I had no idea if it would be the only high-capacity pistol I ever got to own.
Coming of age right at that time, during the Clinton Presidency and the AWB certainly cemented my hate for the Democrats, the anti-gun Left, and shitbag RINO's too. |
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What are you getting? Your first handgun better be a Glock 19. worst advice that could be offered happy b day OP. congrats ,now relax and learn what you want/need/can use in a pistol, I believe you will find a glock while popular is not the end all be all of pistols dispite what you hear on this forum's overly vocal and overley biased glockophiles. How to choose a pistol: 1. PURPOSE First decide what you what the pistol is for. Plinking guns are very different from target, carry, or service hand guns, even if all are in the same caliber.Do you need/want a scope mount, night sights, a light rail? How you plan to use the gun will decide the features you need/want . Features to consider under purpose include: barrel length, sight type, finish style, and budget. 2. Caliber- what caliber do you want? This is the most important decision and leads to many compromises. For example 5.7 is little bullet, high capacity, low recoil, while 44 mag is a big bullet low capacity heavy recoil. Every pistol caliber is a niche caliber so what niche do you want to fill? 9mm,40S&W, and 45are the compromise area and therefore the area of most debate. Please consider availability and price of ammo in your decision. 3.Capacity weight & size- these go together because after caliber size of the hand gun has the most effect on capacity. From a 5 shot J frame to a 20shot XDM . This is a major area of concern because ergonomics, shootability (grip and felt recoil ), weight and control are highly affected by size. How/if you plan to carry where you want to place your holster and you style of clothing all should play a role in deciding the size of the pistol you purchase. If you are looking for a nightstand only pistol then size is less important. 4.Trigger- In the last 10 years,many new options have come to the market and this is a major factor in what you choose as your pistol. a.Single action –(SA)1911 or colt single action army you must pull back the hammer to cock the action with a 1911 and other automatics the slide automatically does this. These offer great triggers with light short pulls and precise control and repeatability but are generally not as safe as other trigger options and need a positive safety (just my opinion). b.double action (DA)the trigger is connected to the hammer so pulling the trigger cocks the hammer and fires the gun. Think a capgun toy. This is very common on revolvers. Where the trigger pull also rotates the cylinder. DA often has very heavy long trigger pulls a version called double action only (DAO) is often used by police agencies because it is believed that this trigger will lower accidental discharges and make the agency less prone to lawsuits. c. double action/ Single action (DA/SA) the first pull is the long heavy double action but the slide then cocks the hammer during cycling making each additional shot the short light single action. This has been the most common trigger style since WWII.it offers the first shot safety of DA and the great SA trigger on follow-ups. The disadvantage is there are 2 different triggers to master on the same gun. d.Striker fired – There is no hammer. The striker is basically a firing pin, the trigger pulls back and releases the firing pin offering a lighter shorter DA style trigger pull. These have become very popular in the last 20 years and this style is offered in every large manufacturer’s line. 5. Mag release -Basically they’re three types, and this is a defining step in choosing the perfect pistol a.American- the button behind the trigger you have most likely seen before. It is very fast especially with drop free magazines and can be used without changing your grip if your hands are large enough. Often reversible for left or right hand operation. b.European- a heel press on the bottom of the pistol’s grip. You must take the pistol off target and use your non firing hand to remove the magazine. Much slower and clumsier than American style mag release. c.Paddle – a paddle release is a paddle or lever flush with the bottom of the trigger guard you can use your trigger finger to drop the mag; or like American style, use your thumb to drop the mag.as fast American style with drop free mags, if you have smaller hands this is a great option. But is still rare only offered on H&K and Walther pistols. 6.Safety-last but far from least important the safety options. There are basically two types of safeties and a bewildering number of subcategories from there. a.Positive safeties – these are a switch that locks the trigger or disengages the firing pin. b.Integral safeties- these are somewhat passive such as trigger safeties or grip safeties and are usually disengaged automatically as you go through the motions of firing the pistol. c.None- pistols with no safety often use a heavy DA trigger pull as a way of preventing accidental discharges. 7.Ergonomics How the pistol fits in your hand should be one of the most important factors in deciding what to buy. Pay specific attention to where your trigger finger naturally rest on the trigger. Also insure the pistol is high enough in the hand so that the slide does not cut the webbing of your hand in cycling. Many manufacturers offer models with different size back straps or grip side plates. Some pistols let you completely replace the grip with different sizes.Can you easily reach the mag release slide release and safety without changing your grip? on compact and sub compacts all you fingers may not fit on the grip pierce makes special magazine bottom plates for some models to remedy this.many sub compacts are uncomfortable or hard to shoot accurately if you are a beginner. The pistol you purchase should be comfortable for you to hold and aim. 8. Perceived recoil The recoil that you feel is perceived recoil it is derived from the velocity and weight of the bullet and negated somewhat by the weight and ergonomics of the gun. a big gun (like a beretta 92)in 9mm will have less Perceived recoil than a small 9mm (like a glock 26). bore axis (the height of the muzzle over the web between your thumb and trigger finger) also plays a role in muzzle flip a high bore axis causes more muzzle rise thus more Perceived recoil a low bore axis allows for less Perceived recoil through reduced muzzle rise. Shoot as many different pistols as you can. Find your preference with each area listed above then find the pistol that offers all your preferences in one package trust me in today's market it is out there unless you choose an odd caliber. Blah blah blah...
Way to go with the g19 op This man knows of what he speaks. My road to true knowledge was paved in wasted cash. This should be stickied to save those new to handguns some cash and headache. |
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Have you shot it yet? What part of Iowa? I'm dead center. I'm in Des Moines and nope gonna shoot this Saturday |