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2/9/2013 2:24:21 PM EDT
I just picked this gun up brand new today.  Shot 133 rounds of fmj of various manufacture without issue.
Trying to run Winchester 230 JHP Ranger ammo, I had this stove pipe happen 6 times in 35 rounds.
Does this gun just not like this ammo?  Any other issue causing this?

2/9/2013 3:02:30 PM EDT
[#1]
I would try a different brand of ammo. 1911's can be finicky about what types of ammo they like. Did the rounds feel any different when fired?
2/9/2013 3:10:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
I would try a different brand of ammo. 1911's can be finicky about what types of ammo they like. Did the rounds feel any different when fired?


no not really my govt model fires gdhp all day I'm gonna try some of those tomorrow

2/9/2013 3:21:45 PM EDT
[#3]
Had a Springfield Champion that would not feed white box Winchester 230 grainers.  Functioned well with everything else.  Couldn't ever figure it out.  Hope you have better luck with your Colt since I've got one on layway at the local gun shop.
2/9/2013 3:24:33 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Had a Springfield Champion that would not feed white box Winchester 230 grainers.  Functioned well with everything else.  Couldn't ever figure it out.  Hope you have better luck with your Colt since I've got one on layway at the local gun shop.


Thanks-love your screen name!
2/9/2013 3:27:47 PM EDT
[#5]
You tune the 1911 to cartridge or tune cartridge to 1911.

A pistolsmith can tune 1911 to feed most cartridge geometry. I've said for several years there's not a 1911 made I can't tune to feed all cartridge geometry. Question being ? How much case support is left when done ?

Flip that coin.


There's not a savy handloader who can't make any type bullet geometry work in any handgun made.


This may be a bit much to understand, it's gosphel.

A change in magazine may well be the fix. My suggestion is to switch to Winchester PDX1 as bullet ogive is identical to GI ball. GI ball being designed for 1911 controlled feed.

Regards,


dc.
2/10/2013 4:54:07 AM EDT
[#6]
NO WAY!!  I thought it was just Kimbers that had problems on the Internet.
2/10/2013 6:04:35 AM EDT
[#7]
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NO WAY!!  I thought it was just Kimbers that had problems on the Internet.


No, just 1911's in general!
2/10/2013 7:43:44 AM EDT
[#8]
I would loosen the extractor slightly [de tension] as it looks like the case groove isn't sliding under the extractor claw as it is supposed to. If it fails to do so, you'll get a nose up condition like the pic shows. I would also make sure the breech face is nice and clean, the edges are machined properly as is the claw of the extractor.
2/10/2013 10:00:04 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
I would loosen the extractor slightly [de tension] as it looks like the case groove isn't sliding under the extractor claw as it is supposed to. If it fails to do so, you'll get a nose up condition like the pic shows. I would also make sure the breech face is nice and clean, the edges are machined properly as is the claw of the extractor.


Ok, quiz time, fxntime. If extractor tension works with other types of ammunition, then why would tension be an issue with one type of ammunition ?

Respectfully,

dc.
2/10/2013 10:56:21 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I would loosen the extractor slightly [de tension] as it looks like the case groove isn't sliding under the extractor claw as it is supposed to. If it fails to do so, you'll get a nose up condition like the pic shows. I would also make sure the breech face is nice and clean, the edges are machined properly as is the claw of the extractor.


Ok, quiz time, fxntime. If extractor tension works with other types of ammunition, then why would tension be an issue with one type of ammunition ?

Respectfully,

dc.


Bullet length [total length of round] may be different allowing a bit more pronounced angle of the round when it hits the feed ramp so the extractor groove binds on the extractor cut on the case base. Backing off on the tension slightly can allow for better feeding sometimes. I'd also suggest making sure the recoil spring is good but I don't see weak Colt recoil springs after that few of a round count.

The pic shows the case base is not feeding under the extractor claw so I'd look at that first.

I've noticed my Commanders [and shorter] 1911s are more sensitive to a tight extractor then a loose one due to the shorter barrel and increased angle when unlocked.

I don't explain stuff very well sometimes but I've fixed more then a few shorter then Govt length 1911s and a tight extractor seems to be an area that cause nose up/base down issues.
2/10/2013 12:09:53 PM EDT
[#11]
Not to be picking on you. You're correct but using the wrong approach. The correct approach is to face the extractor to eliminate binding inside case web. Backing tension off affects the depth of extractor hook. I want as much case rim contact inside claw as possible and minimize contact between extractor face and case web.

That's your issue.


Regards,

dc.
2/10/2013 2:02:10 PM EDT
[#12]
Thanks everyone.  shot 50 more rounds of fmj without issue today, and except for one issue whearas the last round in the mag didn't
feed it ate up speer gold dot hollow points.