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8/28/2011 8:30:06 AM EDT
These 2 targets I shot a couple of days ago. Left target was shot left handed,  right target was shot right handed. Each target has approximately 30 rounds on each fired from a Glock 19 3rd gen. Each piece of paper is a 8 1/2" by 11" sheet I printed out from a target online.  The range was 10 Yards with a fairly quick firing pace.
As soon as the front sight was clear and on the center of the target I squeezed.
The left target is worse but I am right handed but shoot long guns left handed.
I can hollow out the center section with enough ammo.  But can only do that if I am really slow and smooth. Maybe a round every 2 seconds or so.

So what do I do? What is the one thing that will help get this sorted out? Has been a bad habit of mine for a long time.

Or is this one of those things where a Professional Instructor with a really sharp stick is the only fix?      

It is NOT the sights weapon was sighted in by someone who is a daylight and dark difference of a better shooter than me.  

8/28/2011 8:31:37 AM EDT
[#1]
Dry firing and practice.
8/28/2011 8:40:02 AM EDT
[#2]
Yeah that I can try to do more. Practice with live ammo though is going to take some more cash. Guess i'm going to have to get to the range more.
8/28/2011 8:57:19 AM EDT
[#3]
Dry fire is the best thing you can do to fix it. Lots of dry fire. Also, place a few snap caps in your mag at random when you are doing live fire. This will help you see how you are moving the front sight when the trigger breaks.
8/28/2011 9:21:22 AM EDT
[#4]
Place a fired shell upright on the top front of the Glock.  Dry fire and concentrate on keeping the shell as steady as possible.
8/28/2011 11:58:36 AM EDT
[#5]
make sure you practice trigger reset- after the shot release the trigger only enough to get an audible and palpable click- then shoot again. much of the problem comes when someone fully relases then slaps the trigger again. Shoot only as fast as you can and get accuracy. speed will come in time.
8/28/2011 2:25:16 PM EDT
[#6]
I'll try the snap caps thing and dry fire practice. I know of what you talking about but never tried.
Putting them in a loaded mag I have never done.
I used to do something like that only with empty cases to show people that the old 17 I had would feed empty cases. My 19 and the 17L won't do it, the wife's 7 year old 19 will sometimes.

When it starts to cool off I will get a lot more trigger time.  July and August I really don't shoot much. Since late June I have been to the range twice. Probably won't go until late Sept.

Just a quick question how many individual snap caps should I have. 2 or say 5 or 6 or say 10.


Thanks.
8/28/2011 4:09:18 PM EDT
[#7]
The first thing I would do is NOT look at, or follow the advise on those tragets.
The next thing I would do is buy a target that simulates what you COULD actually be shooting at with a Glock19 as a defensice sidarm. I like EIC Siluettes.

The third thing I would do is GIVE YOUSELF some credit!!!!!
Those groups are decent for the type of shooting you just described. This is not a precision rifle or Pistol for that matter.

Could your groups be tighter?....... yes
Could they be a little more centered?.......yes

But that will come with practice.  Dry firing does help more than you know. But if you are just dry firing and not paying attention to where the sites are on the target when the trigger breaks, you are wasting your time.
Dry fire practice has a certain amount of precision to it. It involves two aspects of shooting that are absolutely essential and UNIVERSAL to make and be CONSISTENT with well aimed shots no matter what you are shooting. (pistol, rifle, shotgun)

You can throw all that wonderful advise on those targets in your picture right out the window and focus on TWO things and Two things only and I can guarentee you will improve your results.

The 2 things are:

Sight alignment (notice I did not say site picture)
and Trigger manipulation.

These are THE two most important factors that will influence how well you shoot. Of the 2, Trigger manipulation is the most important IMHO. Why you might ask? Because poor trigger manipulation/control can have an affect on your site alignment but your site alignment does not affect your trigger control.
Make sense?

SMOOTHLY manipulating the trigger EVERY time without disturbing your site alignment will give you the results you want. I have heard many, many, people dscribe how you should manIpulate the trigger on a firearm. but it doesnt matter whether you say "pull the trigger", "Squeeeeeze the trigger", or "stroke the trigger" for that matter, you can use whatever words you want to describe it, but the key here is to SMOOTHLY manipulate the trigger without disturbing the sites.

Sight alignment is to simply align you eyeball, with the rear site, the front site, and the target.

When dry firing, your focus should be on transition from holster to a locked out shooting stance with proper site alingment. Then when the trigger is engaged  make a mental note of where the sites were pointed when the trigger breaks. You will notice as you "follow through" with this exercise that the muzzel will move without a smooth trigger manipulation.
The hard part comes when you move to the range. Now, mentally no matter what, you know that gun is going to go BOOM, so after that first shot, start doing the same thing with the front site that you do during dry fire. where did it break?

For live fire exercises the only way to get better is put rounds down range........ Practice, Practice, practice. Buy ammo not targets that will tell you what your doing wrong. Thats a joke brother........

Now obviously some people are going to start throwing other stuff in here like stance, locking out wrist, arms, natural point of aim, etc etc. ALL ARE VERY IMPORTANT, But as long as you have a good strong stance and your arms and wrists locked out, and if you focus on SITE ALIGNMENT, then Trigger manipulation you will improve your scores or your groups to your liking.

KEY NOTE HERE: Always remember your eye should focus on the front site in your site alignment. The rear site and target will be somewhat blurred. Keep your eye focused on the front site during both dry fire and Live fire exercises.

Take a class from a reputable instructor or think about attending the Army Marksmanship Programs, Pistol SAFS class up in Ohio at Camp Perry in July every year. (its only $35 and we supply the ammo and a shiney  new (or newer) M9 Beretta for the class) We get hundreds of shooters every year up there that are all levels of experiance and we always (including myself) learn something new that helps us be better shooters.

Hope this helps, wasn't trying to be a know-it-all, just wanted to offer some encouragment.

BTW I have ZERO snap caps

Keep shoot'n
chuck