Posted: 6/18/2011 2:05:17 PM EDT
| Dont get me wrong I can get 4 or 5 shots on a pie plate in 2 or so sec, but it what mods are the guys making to their pistol to basically have no muzzel rise when they are shooting. Is it the spring system? I have a .40 and the kick is enough to lose sight picture for a few .1s of a sec. |
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They use the lowest recoiling ammo the rules of the game will allow, possibly tungsten guide rods, many, many thousands of rounds and hours practicing, and some very STRONG hand and fore arm muscles.
If it was a mod to the gun, everyone would be shooting like that. |
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Proper stance and grip will allow you to manage the recoil to allow fast and accurate multiple shots. As long as the front sight is back down in the notch when you fire the next shot, it does not matter how much the muzzle rises. A good neutral grip will allow the front sight to rise and fall back down in .15 of a second or less on a stock gun.
The exception is shooters running Open guns with red dot sights. They use ports and comps to keep the gun flat enough to keep the dot within the sight at all times. Short of ports and compensators, nothing mechanical is going to keep the gun flat. Manage that recoil, don't try to reduce it. Gringop |
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I noticed that I can doubletap better with shorter barreled guns.
I have a 92 Beretta fullsize. THe 2nd shot goes further up than I'd like. However doubletaps with my Beretta 92 compact (4.3" barrel) is easy. Doubletaps with my 9mm PX4 is easy too. However, the 92 compact is actually a little easier. I assume that the shorter barrel and slide play some part in this. |
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Proper stance and grip will allow you to manage the recoil to allow fast and accurate multiple shots. As long as the front sight is back down in the notch when you fire the next shot, it does not matter how much the muzzle rises. A good neutral grip will allow the front sight to rise and fall back down in .15 of a second or less on a stock gun. The exception is shooters running Open guns with red dot sights. They use ports and comps to keep the gun flat enough to keep the dot within the sight at all times. Short of ports and compensators, nothing mechanical is going to keep the gun flat. Manage that recoil, don't try to reduce it. Gringop This. |
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What kind of shooting stance are you using? If you are standing straight up, you can improve by a better shooting stance. Watch some of the competition guys many of them use some sort of forward lean to them while they shoot. It basically takes your center of gravity and puts it in front of your feet instead of directly over it. Doing that can drastically help with follow up shots. Instead of the pistol throwing your entire body off, with the lean the pistol has to move your entire body before it moves off target.
Its basically similar to watching people shoot FA. The newbies start flat and in 4-5 rounds are up in the air. Seasoned people do a lean and have much better control. |
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Stance, grip, practice. Every round has a slightly different recoil impulse and the .40 can seem a bit flippy.
As to competition shooters shooting the lightest loads possible, kinda. They aren't going to load to the max but Major power factor is isn't exactly a mouse fart load. Most would shoot nearly the same with factory ammo. This clip is a SIG 1911 .45 at somewhere around 750fps. http://youtu.be/1QAcwaArFU8 Not a whole lot of muzzle rise... |
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Dont get me wrong I can get 4 or 5 shots on a pie plate in 2 or so sec, but it what mods are the guys making to their pistol to basically have no muzzel rise when they are shooting. Is it the spring system? I have a .40 and the kick is enough to lose sight picture for a few .1s of a sec. It's the technique they are using. A proper grip on the handgun is actually a fairly complex thing with a lot of little parts that all combine to make for optimum control. Little things like locking the support hand wrist fully and using your pectoral muscles (bet you've never heard of controlling a handgun with your pecs before) make a huge difference in getting the pistol to recoil in a predictable manner. While it may look like the gun doesn't move, in reality the proper grip technique causes the muzzle to rise and fall straight up and down, predictably and fast...which means that the shooter can break the next shot faster. For those who are still in visual control of the gun (and not just point shooting) there is also lots of practice at processing the sight picture at speed which allows them to line up a shot more quickly than someone with less experience can pull off. EDIT - Watch this video of Jason Falla shooting a G17. He's got a good grip and the slow motion really allows you to see how it works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDx1jVkMw_E |
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You also need to keep in mind that you cannot use your muscles fast enough to counter recoil.
By the time the signals go from arm to spine to brain and then back down the recoil is over. Nerves are just NOT that fast. The muscle tension you have when the round fires is the level you will have to control recoil. The mass of the forearms helps with recoil. It takes work (energy) to move the weight. The muscles for your hand are mostly in the forearm, so if you have a strong grip you are likely to have thicker forearms with more mass to help with recoil. Upper arm strength is not as important since the forearms are going to move more with recoil. |