Posted: 1/19/2011 6:18:42 PM EDT
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Took a pistol course this past weekend which I have put off for FAR too long and submitted all my paperwork today...now for the torture test and the long wait.
Oh well, guess it gives me more time to choose between an XD or a USP 
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huh? the wait for my Pistol Permit dude, is it not that obvious? nope..i just go to the store, pay money, and walk out with whatever i want...  how long does it usually take? 3 Months 
Add CT to NY, NJ, MA to the states that can join CA at the bottom of the sea.
Well CT is actually a lot better in terms of restrictions than the states listed because it does allow a lot of stuff the other states don't, but the restrictions it does have do suck |
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I have the LEM. DAO, revolver like 8 lbs trigger pull, crisp break, short reset.
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huh? the wait for my Pistol Permit dude, is it not that obvious? nope..i just go to the store, pay money, and walk out with whatever i want... Classic example of: 'round here, that's the way it is! Isn't it the same everyplace? Everyone: open your eyes: the U.S. is a BIG place & respect fof the 2nd Amendment varies. I've lived in: -MD (7 day wait that takes MORE than 7 days) -D.C. Indefinite wait because handguns WERE banned. Still nearly impossible to obtain legally. -NY: long wait to get permit to OWN, but it might also work as permit to carry (depending on county). OP: I feel your pain. Please answer this honestly: how would you feel about CT adopting a "constitutional carry" law like Arizona, Alaska or Vermont? (i.e. - if you can legally own a handgun, you can carry it concealed in public). ?? |
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huh? the wait for my Pistol Permit dude, is it not that obvious? nope..i just go to the store, pay money, and walk out with whatever i want... Classic example of: 'round here, that's the way it is! Isn't it the same everyplace? Everyone: open your eyes: the U.S. is a BIG place & respect fof the 2nd Amendment varies. I've lived in: -MD (7 day wait that takes MORE than 7 days) -D.C. Indefinite wait because handguns WERE banned. Still nearly impossible to obtain legally. -NY: long wait to get permit to OWN, but it might also work as permit to carry (depending on county). OP: I feel your pain. Please answer this honestly: how would you feel about CT adopting a "constitutional carry" law like Arizona, Alaska or Vermont? (i.e. - if you can legally own a handgun, you can carry it concealed in public). ?? Well given your definition of a 'constitutional carry' id have to say that CT already has that. Once you obtain your pistol permit you are allowed to carry a handgun openly or concealed. Now given the nature of how frightened people get when they see a person with a handgun carrying it openly the statutes state that it has to be concealed because if you get caught carrying it openly the PD can charge you with several violations such as Threatening or Breach of Peace for simply carrying the handgun openly like that, so if you choose to carry it on you it has to be concealed. I have a couple of XDs and a USPc.
Get the USP. The trigger on mine is superior to either of my XDs. Well since you have both may I ask you some questions directly. The main purpose of this handgun is going to be self defense and so I narrowed down the handgun selections based on my need. I wanted to start with a small caliber first such as 9mm and then as time passes perhaps jump to a .40 or .45 pending on several factors. The handgun also needed to have either internal or external safety selectors. Now I narrowed it down to the Glock, and USP. Messed around with the glock and I have to say that I didn't like the feel and or trigger on it and then someone told me that XD's design is the same as the Glocks only with another added safety feature which is the hand grip safety. Tried out both the XD and USP, liked them both. What impressed me about the XD was that it didn't take much to cock to the gun all you had to do was move the slide maybe half an inch and the gun was ready to go which would be ideal for quick draws and cocking. So in general can I get your input on how the both compare trigger wise and performance as well as reliability. -Dep |
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Tried out both the XD and USP, liked them both. What impressed me about the XD was that it didn't take much to cock to the gun all you had to do was move the slide maybe half an inch and the gun was ready to go which would be ideal for quick draws and cocking. -Dep Perhaps I misunderstand but it is generally considered a bad idea to have a handgun on your person for protection yet leave the chamber empty. Pulling that slide back 1/2 an inch might cock it but it will not chamber a round. I suggest you research this concept a good bit before you attempt to put it into practice. |
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huh? the wait for my Pistol Permit dude, is it not that obvious? nope..i just go to the store, pay money, and walk out with whatever i want... Classic example of: 'round here, that's the way it is! Isn't it the same everyplace? Everyone: open your eyes: the U.S. is a BIG place & respect fof the 2nd Amendment varies. I've lived in: -MD (7 day wait that takes MORE than 7 days) -D.C. Indefinite wait because handguns WERE banned. Still nearly impossible to obtain legally. -NY: long wait to get permit to OWN, but it might also work as permit to carry (depending on county). OP: I feel your pain. Please answer this honestly: how would you feel about CT adopting a "constitutional carry" law like Arizona, Alaska or Vermont? (i.e. - if you can legally own a handgun, you can carry it concealed in public). ?? Well given your definition of a 'constitutional carry' id have to say that CT already has that. Once you obtain your pistol permit you are allowed to carry a handgun openly or concealed. [qoute] Touche - my definition was not perfect & glad to hear that at least CT got the "carry" part right so long as they have a registration/permit scheme in place. But many in the USA would consider the "permit/registration" part to be an unconstitutional infringement. [/qoute] Now given the nature of how frightened people get when they see a person with a handgun carrying it openly the statutes state that it has to be concealed because if you get caught carrying it openly the PD can charge you with several violations such as Threatening or Breach of Peace for simply carrying the handgun openly like that, so if you choose to carry it on you it has to be concealed. I have a couple of XDs and a USPc.
Get the USP. The trigger on mine is superior to either of my XDs. Well since you have both may I ask you some questions directly. The main purpose of this handgun is going to be self defense and so I narrowed down the handgun selections based on my need. I wanted to start with a small caliber first such as 9mm and then as time passes perhaps jump to a .40 or .45 pending on several factors. The handgun also needed to have either internal or external safety selectors. Now I narrowed it down to the Glock, and USP. Messed around with the glock and I have to say that I didn't like the feel and or trigger on it and then someone told me that XD's design is the same as the Glocks only with another added safety feature which is the hand grip safety. Tried out both the XD and USP, liked them both. What impressed me about the XD was that it didn't take much to cock to the gun all you had to do was move the slide maybe half an inch and the gun was ready to go which would be ideal for quick draws and cocking. So in general can I get your input on how the both compare trigger wise and performance as well as reliability. -Dep Thanks for that information! Here in VA, we also have lawful "open carry" - so there is NO concern about whether an otherwise-concealed pistol happens to accidentally show for an instant. Hence, I do not worry about "printing" and such. AND - the fact that the police in CT will freak out over an accidental showing just proves the value of having open carry laws on the books down here, even though I never intentionally open carry nor plan to. BTW - I think the H&K is a better gun in every respect. |
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Tried out both the XD and USP, liked them both. What impressed me about the XD was that it didn't take much to cock to the gun all you had to do was move the slide maybe half an inch and the gun was ready to go which would be ideal for quick draws and cocking. -Dep Perhaps I misunderstand but it is generally considered a bad idea to have a handgun on your person for protection yet leave the chamber empty. Pulling that slide back 1/2 an inch might cock it but it will not chamber a round. I suggest you research this concept a good bit before you attempt to put it into practice. You're right I misunderstood, I thought it chambered the round and cocked the pistol at the same time. For the record I am well familiar with the concept I just misinterpreted that part, and depending on where I go and what I do the chamber will either be empty or loaded. My rationale behind leaving it empty at times is that it's going to take a split second longer for me to chamber a round and let one loose then it will if I just draw and fire and I know exactly what you're thinking but hey it's my life. -Dep |
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Tried out both the XD and USP, liked them both. What impressed me about the XD was that it didn't take much to cock to the gun all you had to do was move the slide maybe half an inch and the gun was ready to go which would be ideal for quick draws and cocking. -Dep Perhaps I misunderstand but it is generally considered a bad idea to have a handgun on your person for protection yet leave the chamber empty. Pulling that slide back 1/2 an inch might cock it but it will not chamber a round. I suggest you research this concept a good bit before you attempt to put it into practice. You're right I misunderstood, I thought it chambered the round and cocked the pistol at the same time. For the record I am well familiar with the concept I just misinterpreted that part, and depending on where I go and what I do the chamber will either be empty or loaded. My rationale behind leaving it empty at times is that it's going to take a split second longer for me to chamber a round and let one loose then it will if I just draw and fire and I know exactly what you're thinking but hey it's my life. -Dep If you aren't ready to carry a round chambered in your weapon, you aren't ready to carry. Train until you are comfortable and then carry with confidence. |
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Tried out both the XD and USP, liked them both. What impressed me about the XD was that it didn't take much to cock to the gun all you had to do was move the slide maybe half an inch and the gun was ready to go which would be ideal for quick draws and cocking. -Dep Perhaps I misunderstand but it is generally considered a bad idea to have a handgun on your person for protection yet leave the chamber empty. Pulling that slide back 1/2 an inch might cock it but it will not chamber a round. I suggest you research this concept a good bit before you attempt to put it into practice. You're right I misunderstood, I thought it chambered the round and cocked the pistol at the same time. For the record I am well familiar with the concept I just misinterpreted that part, and depending on where I go and what I do the chamber will either be empty or loaded. My rationale behind leaving it empty at times is that it's going to take a split second longer for me to chamber a round and let one loose then it will if I just draw and fire and I know exactly what you're thinking but hey it's my life. -Dep If you aren't ready to carry a round chambered in your weapon, you aren't ready to carry. Train until you are comfortable and then carry with confidence. This, plus carry it only in one condition. When your adrenaline pumps are you going to remember if you loaded it? My argument in favor of condition 1 is that you don't know if your other hand will be doing something else like opening a door, carrying something or pushing something/someone off of you. |
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Tried out both the XD and USP, liked them both. What impressed me about the XD was that it didn't take much to cock to the gun all you had to do was move the slide maybe half an inch and the gun was ready to go which would be ideal for quick draws and cocking. -Dep Perhaps I misunderstand but it is generally considered a bad idea to have a handgun on your person for protection yet leave the chamber empty. Pulling that slide back 1/2 an inch might cock it but it will not chamber a round. I suggest you research this concept a good bit before you attempt to put it into practice. You're right I misunderstood, I thought it chambered the round and cocked the pistol at the same time. For the record I am well familiar with the concept I just misinterpreted that part, and depending on where I go and what I do the chamber will either be empty or loaded. My rationale behind leaving it empty at times is that it's going to take a split second longer for me to chamber a round and let one loose then it will if I just draw and fire and I know exactly what you're thinking but hey it's my life. -Dep If you aren't ready to carry a round chambered in your weapon, you aren't ready to carry. Train until you are comfortable and then carry with confidence. This, plus carry it only in one condition. When your adrenaline pumps are you going to remember if you loaded it? My argument in favor of condition 1 is that you don't know if your other hand will be doing something else like opening a door, carrying something or pushing something/someone off of you. I'm with these guys. In the heat of the moment, you're not going to remember if your locked and loaded or if you need to chamber a round. You're going to have a very, very bad day if you need to defend yourself, and all you hear is "click". All you should have to do (at the most) is flip off the safety with your thumb and fire. If you don't have a safety, well it's even less complicated. 
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Tried out both the XD and USP, liked them both. What impressed me about the XD was that it didn't take much to cock to the gun all you had to do was move the slide maybe half an inch and the gun was ready to go which would be ideal for quick draws and cocking. -Dep Perhaps I misunderstand but it is generally considered a bad idea to have a handgun on your person for protection yet leave the chamber empty. Pulling that slide back 1/2 an inch might cock it but it will not chamber a round. I suggest you research this concept a good bit before you attempt to put it into practice. You're right I misunderstood, I thought it chambered the round and cocked the pistol at the same time. For the record I am well familiar with the concept I just misinterpreted that part, and depending on where I go and what I do the chamber will either be empty or loaded. My rationale behind leaving it empty at times is that it's going to take a split second longer for me to chamber a round and let one loose then it will if I just draw and fire and I know exactly what you're thinking but hey it's my life. -Dep That can easily get you killed. I suggest you do not carry. |
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Dep. if you carry UN-chambered then you are going to have to practice chambering a round with only one hand using both your strong hand and weak hand only. How do you chamber a round using only one hand you ask??? That's your problem that you have to figure out on your own. Next you are going to have to practice drawing it with weak hand only if/when you decide to carry.
Next is gun control, the good kind of gun control  , the gun control that looks at proper breathing techniques and trigger discipline and trigger control. If you get a DA/SA always start off in DA. Remember Point of Impact for an HK is BEHIND the front sight when the sights are aligned.
Finally the last part is proper mindset. Can you shoot a teenager who's trying to kill you? Can you shoot a woman who's trying to kill you? Can you shoot a friend or even a family member who's trying to kill you? How about a co-worker or an animal? If you hesitated answering "yes" for any question then you are not ready mentally to accept the fact that you might kill someone while defending yourself. Worst case scenario are you mentally prepared to accept the fact that an innocent bystander might get killed during your shootout either by one of your shots or the threats shots. Once again if you hesitated in saying "yes" then you are not ready yet mentally. |
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I knew NJ was a ****hole in many ways, but they also have to buy a permit to purchase. Didn't know CT was f'd up too. Add CT to NY, NJ, MA to the states that can join CA at the bottom of the sea. I am in PA now, formerly from NJ. man, you nailed it yadadyada dude billy boy ETA: in NJ, they need a pistol permit for a pellet gun. yikes. liberalism fooey. They all felt they were protecting us! As for the OP's choice, I have an XD9 as well as a few others. The XD9's trigger is poor, but would be nice for SD. The trigger is poor for me as I came from the 1911 side, i.e. I am spoiled. Only my opinion, but the XD is too big for CC. |