Posted: 4/28/2010 11:48:13 AM EDT
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About a month ago I shot a old CZ-75B someone brought to the range and I shot it better than any other handgun I have ever shot. I'm not yet a good shot but I tell myself if I shoot this gun that much better it might be worth it to buy it and start training with it instead of other guns I can't shoot well.
So I've been trying to do some research into the various models. The 75B is safety, 75BD is decocker, Shadow is a 75B with longer dust cover that has a rail and the Phantom is basically a plastic framed Shadow that has a decocker instead of a safety like on the Shadow. Aside from those differences are they all basically the same? Same triggers? Same grip shape? Same great accuracy? Will they all take the 19 round mags? I kind of want a raill but apparently that makes finding a holster harder and Shadow appears to be much more expensive which lead me to the Phantom but I kind of like the ability to change grips out to make the gun slimmer and the added weight of the metal frame is kind of nice. Also despite wanting a rail I've yet to ever buy a laser or a flashlight but I like knowing the options are there. Also I'm aware that the plastic gun won't take the Kadet adapter but I've already got some good .22 guns. |
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Time to break out "the list"...
CZ 75: The original. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. No firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. No longer produced. CZ 75B: The "standard" 75 variant. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. CZ 75B Stainless: Stainless-steel 75B variant. DA/SA, ambidextrous safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, stainless steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ 75B Ω: Variant of the 75B. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. Omega trigger system. CZ 75BD: Common 75B variant. DA/SA with decocker, no safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. CZ 75BD Police: Minor 75BD variant. DA/SA with decocker, no safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. CZ 75 DAO: Relatively rare 75B variant. DAO, no decocker or safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. No longer produced. CZ 75 Kadet: Rimfire 75 variant. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. No firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. CZ 75 Kadet (Kit): Rimfire conversion kit for 75-series. Works on all standard 75/85 models, including P-01, SP-01, and 2075 variants. CZ 85: Ambidextrous version of the 75. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. No firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. No longer produced. CZ 85B: Ambidextrous version of the 75B. DA/SA, ambidextrous safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. CZ 85 Combat: Ambidextrous 75 variant, more oriented towards competition. DA/SA, ambidextrous safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. No firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. CZ 75B SA: Single action 75 variant. SAO with ambidextrous safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ 75B SA Target: Customized 75B SA variant. SAO with ambidextrous safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ SP-01: Newer 75B variant. DA/SA, ambidextrous safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, railed steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ SP-01 Tactical: Newer 75B variant. DA/SA with decocker, no safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, railed steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ SP-01 Shadow: Competition 75 variant. DA/SA, ambidextrous safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. No firing pin block. Full-size, railed steel frame and slide. High-beavertailed frame. CZ SP-01 Shadow Target: Customized Shadow variant. DA/SA, ambidextrous safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. No firing pin block. Full-size, railed steel frame and slide. High-beavertailed frame. CZ SP-01 Phantom: Lightweight SP-01 variant. DA/SA with decocker, no safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, railed polymer frame and steel slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ 75 Semicompact: "Commander" 75B variant. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size steel frame with compact steel slide. Normal frame. Unknown production status. CZ 75 Compact (or CZ 75B Compact): Original compact 75B variant. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Compact, steel frame and slide. Normal frame. (NOTE: .40S&W variant uses a railed, beavertailed frame; 9mm does not. Both frames are steel.) CZ 75D PCR (or just PCR): Common compact 75 variant. DA/SA with decocker, no safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Compact, lightweight alloy frame and steel slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ P-01 (or CZ 75D Compact): NATO-approved compact 75 variant. DA/SA with decocker, no safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Compact, railed lightweight alloy frame and steel slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ P-02: Minor variant of the P-01. DA/SA - interchangeable parts allow for either safety or deocker controls (both sets included). Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Compact, railed lightweight alloy frame and steel slide. Beavertailed frame. Omega trigger system. CZ P-06: .40S&W variant of the P-01. DA/SA with decocker, no safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Compact, railed lightweight alloy frame and steel slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ P-07: Newest compact 75 variant. DA/SA - interchangeable parts allow for either safety or deocker controls (both sets included). Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Compact, railed polymer frame and steel slide. Beavertailed frame. Omega trigger system. CZ 2075 RAMI: Standard subcompact 75 variant. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Subcompact, lightweight alloy frame and steel slide. CZ 2075 RAMI P: Polymer subcompact 75 variant. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Subcompact, polymer frame and steel slide. CZ 2075 RAMI BD (or 2075 D RAMI): Subcompact 75 variant. DA/SA with decocker, no safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Subcompact, lightweight alloy frame and steel slide. CZ 75 Standard IPSC (also ST IPSC): Competition 75 variant. SAO with ambidextrous safety. No firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. No longer produced - replaced by Tactical Sports model. CZ 75 Tactical Sports: Competition 75 variant. SAO with ambidextrous safety. No firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ 75 Champion: Competition 75 variant, with compensator. SAO with ambidextrous safety. No firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. No longer produced. CZ 75 TS Czechmate: New competition Tactical Sports variant, with compensator. SAO with ambidextrous safety. No firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. High-beavertailed frame. CZ 97B: Large-frame 75B-derived design. DA/SA, safety for C&L carry, manual decock only. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. CZ 97BD: Large-frame 75B-derived design. DA/SA with decocker, no safety. Trigger-actuated firing pin block. Full-size, steel frame and slide. Beavertailed frame. Additonal notes on magazines: Magazines amongst the standard variants are interchangable; compact variants can use full-size magazines. Note that the large-frame models (ST IPSC, TS, etc) cannot use the standard small-frame mags. Also note that the P-07 uses different mags from the standard 75 variants. |
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About a month ago I shot a old CZ-75B someone brought to the range and I shot it better than any other handgun I have ever shot. I'm not yet a good shot but I tell myself if I shoot this gun that much better it might be worth it to buy it and start training with it instead of other guns I can't shoot well. So I've been trying to do some research into the various models. The 75B is safety, 75BD is decocker, Shadow is a 75B with longer dust cover that has a rail and the Phantom is basically a plastic framed Shadow that has a decocker instead of a safety like on the Shadow. Aside from those differences are they all basically the same? Same triggers? Same grip shape? Same great accuracy? Will they all take the 19 round mags? I kind of want a raill but apparently that makes finding a holster harder and Shadow appears to be much more expensive which lead me to the Phantom but I kind of like the ability to change grips out to make the gun slimmer and the added weight of the metal frame is kind of nice. Also despite wanting a rail I've yet to ever buy a laser or a flashlight but I like knowing the options are there. Also I'm aware that the plastic gun won't take the Kadet adapter but I've already got some good .22 guns. Among the three you mentioned, the triggers are for the most part the same design wise. The Shadow is actually a modified SP-01, done up to be a great competition gun. All will have similar accuracy, all will have the same grip shape for the most part, with perhaps a very slight difference between the 75s and the SP-01. They will all take 19 round mags. |
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(list). Now that's what I call being prepared, if you had that already typed up. I learned about two new ones there, the P-02 and the Czechmate. Yes, it was pre-prepared. I have it in a text file together with my other gun-related documents, like reloading data and build pricing. I have considered revising it to add formatting tags to make it read better (like bolding the model names). The P-02 is only in Europe, and I haven't heard any plans to bring it to the states. The Czechmate is going to kill my bank account when it finally arrives stateside. Quoted:
That list is hepful abut it doesn't answer my question about grip and triggers? I was unaware that the Shadow was a different version of the SP-01 The grip actually is answered in the list; standard 75 variants feature a frame with a netural or "normal" tang, while things like the SA and SP-01 lines feature an updated upswept-beavertail frame. The Shadow features a subtly-higher beavertail than the others. (Without studying one against a standard SP-01 side-by-side, you won't ever notice.) The physical triggers in standard 75 variants have been changed in the last few years to a thinner variety. This even applies to current-production Shadows, which are shipping with the thin-style 85C trigger. Some of us hate the new triggers. Others like them. If you want an old-style trigger, you have only two real choices (and a third sort-of choice): buy a new gun and order an original old-style 85C trigger from the Custom Shop (they still had them as of last month), buy a used gun, or buy one of the contract-overrun 75Bs that has the "ergonomic" grip panels (this being the sort-of choice, since you would have to actually find one; ordering a new 75B could potentially get you either that or one of the new ones with the thin trigger.) (ETA - The reason triggers aren't on "the list" is because of this fact. The recent changes mean that one cannot definitively say "model X has Y type of trigger from the factory".) The -01 variants normally feature the black "recurve" trigger. This trigger is more or less a continuous, circular curve for its primary face - much different than both old and new 75B triggers. The recurve trigger results in a shorter LOP and so is better suited to those with small hands. Physical triggers can be swapped between any standard 75 variant. The trigger mechanism for standard DA/SA 75 variants is all the same - the only real exception being that non-FPB models normally use a wider sear (or really, that FPB models use a thinner sear to allow for the lifter arm). ETA2: Summary There are three main types of physical triggers for DA/SA CZs: the old "thick" style, the new "thin" style, and the recurve style. (The 85C trigger is a variation of both the first two types - there are both thick and thin versions - but with an added overtravel adjustment screw.) The physical triggers can be swapped between standard (non-Omega) variants. The trigger mechanisms between the DA/SA models are all virtually identical, save for the newer Omega models. The overall grip shape is the same for all of the 75s. The primary differences are in the tang - whether it is neutral or upswept. There are also differences in how undercut the triggerguard is. All of the typical full-size steel-framed variants use the same grips. (This does not include the ST IPSC or TS.) |
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I should clarify, when I meant grip I meant size because the 75B i shot was just about perfect for size. A little thinner might be good.
The one I shot was probably older so it likely had the old trigger. I don't know that I've got it enough to form an opinion on the subject. Since the action is the same I can assume the trigger pulls will be similar. Though I'm assuming that the thinner sear and the firing pin block are going to effect the trigger pull in some manner. I think I want the SP-01 Tactical because I'd like to have the decocker and I think even if I never put anything on the rail the exrta weight up front should help a bit, even if it isn't a significant amount. Also clearly you need a spreadsheet. |
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I should clarify, when I meant grip I meant size because the 75B i shot was just about perfect for size. A little thinner might be good. The frames are all the same thickness, until you start looking at the large-frames (97B, TS, etc). From CZ Custom: 
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Though I'm assuming that the thinner sear and the firing pin block are going to effect the trigger pull in some manner. After work, the main difference is that a model with a FPB will feature a longer reset than one without. |
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Thank you for all the help. There's so many options. Is the tactical the version of the SP01 that comes witht he fibe front sight? No, the tactical is just an SP-01 with a decocker instead of a safety. The SP-01 Shadow will come with a fiber optic front sight. There may be some others, I'm not as familiar with some of the new ones. Some of those models, like the Shadow, are basically just a more standard 75 variant with additions and modifications to make the pistol more suitable for competition. I believe the only models that come from the factory with a fiber optic front sight fit into this category. |
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The SP-01 Shadow will come with a fiber optic front sight. There may be some others, I'm not as familiar with some of the new ones. Some of those models, like the Shadow, are basically just a more standard 75 variant with additions and modifications to make the pistol more suitable for competition. I believe the only models that come from the factory with a fiber optic front sight fit into this category. The only true factory gun that currently comes with a FO front is the Shadow. The Shadow Target and 75 SA Target - which are assembled by the custom shop, though they are still factory-catalogued items - also feature FO fronts. |
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I don't know where I got the idea that the tactical had a fiber. All these models got confusing hence the post asking for clarification. Thought according to their website the Tactical also comes standard with night sights.
Depending on how strict is the IDPA rules on weight in regards to the SP-01 tactical? I keep saying I'm going to do IDPA but it seems like that 39oz weight limit for SSP might be a problem. Hell even the 43oz limit for ESP might be an issue. |
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I don't know where I got the idea that the tactical had a fiber. All these models got confusing hence the post asking for clarification. Thought according to their website the Tactical also comes standard with night sights. That could be. My SP-01 came with night sights, though mine isn't a tactical. |
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I don't know where I got the idea that the tactical had a fiber. All these models got confusing hence the post asking for clarification. Thought according to their website the Tactical also comes standard with night sights. Depending on how strict is the IDPA rules on weight in regards to the SP-01 tactical? I keep saying I'm going to do IDPA but it seems like that 39oz weight limit for SSP might be a problem. Hell even the 43oz limit for ESP might be an issue. Running a SP-01 in IDPA requires putting it on a "diet" - use lightweight wood grips, replace anything that can be with plastic (e.g., guide rods), and use the 10-round neutered mags. Because of its full-length dustcover (due to the rail), the SP-01 is required to meet SSP weight requirements, even if you want to run it in ESP. ETA - The utlimate IDPA ESP gun, IMO, is a tuned CZ 75B SA in 9x19. |
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I've e-mailed my dealer to get a price quote on CZ-75BD. I decided I don't use the rails on my guns that actually have them currently so I'm unlikely to use them on the CZ even if it's an option. Thank you for all the help figuring the models out. What made you decide to go with a decocker? |
| I don't like safetys. I don't trust them so I never use them. Some matches require you to start your DA/SA gun with the hammer down and even though I trust myself enough to decock it when deciding between a safety I'm never going to use or a decocker that would significantly reduce my risk of an AD the decocker was the winner. |