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4/4/2005 10:56:32 AM EDT
I have searched and searched for first hand info on this gun. can someone tell me alittle about it? is it dependable and safe? good for plinking or leaving in the truck??  I was thinking of picking one up and duracoating it to a little better finish. soem one give me some first hand info on this little mysterious gun. thanks and include pics if ya like too!!
4/4/2005 5:02:49 PM EDT
[#1]
I guess the pistol isnt as popular as i once thought
4/4/2005 5:12:17 PM EDT
[#2]
I'd still have mine if it wasnt for the awkward mag release.  It's fun to shoot and good for plinking.  I've heard that the decocker is not to be trusted and that they have weak firing pins.  I didnt have any problems with mine.  I fired about 1000 rds through it.
4/5/2005 6:24:08 AM EDT
[#3]
Good guns, oem firing pin may break from dry firing but otherwise fine, and the aftermarket parts have a lighter feel but an unreliable hammer drop safety (easy enough to work around). Replacement rollers are available, and if the oem gets worn, the bbl steers from the rear and groups grow like a loose front sleeve in a 1911.

Grip angle is a bit odd, if I just point and shoot it goes a bit down/left, but if I aim with my left thumb on the side grip, then it shoots right on. Your hand fit and grip habits may vary...
4/5/2005 9:35:07 AM EDT
[#4]
thanks guys for the info. still worht the money?? worth duracoating and sticking in the truck for emergencys? also what is all this hype about "DONT use the machine gun ammo!!" i cant tell the diff in the machine gun amo and the regular 7.62x25??
4/5/2005 10:55:52 AM EDT
[#5]
Some of the surp Bulgy in previous years was reported extra hot, and the quality of good 10 cent surp varies a bit. But 15 cent S&B and FNM non-corrosive is no problem.

Depends on what you want for a truck gun. I'd trust the park with a thin oil film wipe. Is the caliber cool factor there, or do you have enough 9mm and 45 around already to make another choice?

This from a guy with a Bulgy Makarov locked in the car case, while the 97 and 52 move around.
4/6/2005 5:46:09 AM EDT
[#6]
I was working with my chrony the other day, comparing rounds fired from a Glock 21, Browning Hi-Power, and CZ-52. Came up with some numbers you might appreciate.

Rem. Green Box .45 ACP 230gr JHP Ave. Velocity: 786 fps, hitting with 315 foot pounds
Win. White Box .45 ACP 230gr FMJ Ave. Velocity: 808 fps, hitting with 333 foot pounds
Handloaded .45 ACP 230gr LRN Ave. Velocity 904 fps, hitting with 416 foot pounds

Win. White Box 9mm 115gr FMJ Ave. Velocity: 1152 fps, hitting with 338 foot pounds

S&B 7.62 Tokarev 85gr FMJ Ave Velocity: 1526 fps, hitting with 439 foot pounds

4/6/2005 6:00:35 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
thanks guys for the info. still worht the money?? worth duracoating and sticking in the truck for emergencys? also what is all this hype about "DONT use the machine gun ammo!!" i cant tell the diff in the machine gun amo and the regular 7.62x25??



the cz52 has only a few things to consider...first the firing pin which can be replaced and second the decocker which if you don't use it (trust) there isn't a problem. as far as ammo some of the bulgarian is crap. the parts for this gun are cheap and so is the ammo. i think its a great truck gun and have never had any issues with it. for info go to www.makarov.com and the cz52 pages.
4/7/2005 3:19:06 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
I was working with my chrony the other day, comparing rounds fired from a Glock 21, Browning Hi-Power, and CZ-52. Came up with some numbers you might appreciate.

Rem. Green Box .45 ACP 230gr JHP Ave. Velocity: 786 fps, hitting with 315 foot pounds
Win. White Box .45 ACP 230gr FMJ Ave. Velocity: 808 fps, hitting with 333 foot pounds
Handloaded .45 ACP 230gr LRN Ave. Velocity 904 fps, hitting with 416 foot pounds

Win. White Box 9mm 115gr FMJ Ave. Velocity: 1152 fps, hitting with 338 foot pounds

S&B 7.62 Tokarev 85gr FMJ Ave Velocity: 1526 fps, hitting with 439 foot pounds




wow those numbers are awesome!! border line unsafe but awesome non the less. I cant wait to get me one. thanks again guys for all the info!!!
4/8/2005 11:54:38 AM EDT
[#9]
CZ-52 is like a Tamiya model kit. They are nothing special out of the box but can be built up in to incredible guns.
Most of the complained about features of this gun can be fixed.
If you really want it to be a great gun, you will in the end pay the price of a great gun. The only advantage is you won't have to pay it all at once. You can get the gun for $100 or so, but you will be putting a good $300 or more in to them over time in order to make them an exellent shooter.
These are some custom CZ-52s I have customised for myself and others:

http://www.paladinrepublic.com/cz1.jpg

http://www.paladinrepublic.com/cz2.jpg

http://www.paladinrepublic.com/Use%208%20CZ%2052%208.JPG
4/8/2005 12:09:46 PM EDT
[#10]
for  pistol that is new for less then 150 bucks, it's really a bargain.......the one I bought has the import stamp located on the bottom of the frame, so it isn't like a billboard advetising for CENTURY. shoots great......and quite accurate...... and has that "beefy" feel to it like the M1911........not like a toy pistol some of the handguns feel like.

the only "flaw" about it is the firing pin.......but that isn't a biggie in my book, just don't "dry fire" it and you won't have a problem with it breaking. you can make your own "snap caps" from the expended brasss......that is what I did.

as for refinshing it, that is up to you.....but to me the finish on them is quite nice for a military side arm.

4/9/2005 3:39:43 PM EDT
[#11]



wow those numbers are awesome!! border line unsafe but awesome non the less. I cant wait to get me one. thanks again guys for all the info!!!



Borderline unsafe in what way? Most of those numbers come from factory ammo fired from stock guns. The last .45 was the only one I loaded myself, and that one wasn't even a full power load, just a few grains above starting. I have read some people claiming to have reloaded 7.62 Tokarev up to 1800 fps, which is near to the level of the "hot" submachinegun ammo that everyone warns against.

I have also seen, but not tried myself, .30 to .22 caliber sabots loaded for the Tok cartridge. If an 85 grain bullet screams with that power behind it, think of what a 30 or 40 grain .223 bullet will do