Posted: 7/27/2013 6:05:10 PM EDT
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I just got my first CZ (the 75D Compact PCR)! I know there is a lot of controversy over decocker-only CZ's, but I wanted one, so when I bumped into the PCR at a local shop last week, I HAD to have it. I took it to the range for the first time a few days ago, and I was just blown away by this little pistol! It's a damn laser right out of the box! At 10 yards, all 14 rounds fired resulted in a single, ragged hole in the center of the target. The trigger was a little long in DA, but was nice and smooth; I had no problems with the SA or DA pull and found the gun just as accurate either way.
This is my first CZ, but I absolutely know it won't be my last. In fact, my Czech girlfriend is so in love with my PCR I may end up having to buy a second one when mine goes mysteriously 'missing!' I have a feeling CZ disease is as bad a Black Rifle Disease...  
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For years I've said the PCR was the perfect CCW pistol from CZ-USA, and it still is. Good czoice - now go get a High Noon holster and gun belt. A GOOD belt and a good holster are vital to making carry go easy. Thanks for the holster recommendation, as that's my next bit of shopping to do. As for belts, I'm a plain-clothes LEO, so I've got the belt part covered... I tote around a Glock 22 with taclight every day in a Safariland duty paddle holster; that setup is HEAVY and murder on crappy belts! 
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It's worse, I have BRD and no black rifles. I also have CZD and I've got four of them. Quoted:
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I just got my first CZ... I have a feeling CZ disease is as bad a Black Rifle Disease... It's worse, I have BRD and no black rifles. I also have CZD and I've got four of them. I've already got a pile of black rifles, so I guess it was only natural to contract some other firearms-related disease! |
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Older pic, but the sentiment is the same. ;)
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Besides my full size CZ 75's I have a P-01 which is very similar to yours only it has the little rail on the front. Great for mounting my Lazer-Max.
I have owned CZ's for some years now.....just bought another one just before Christmas as it was a sweet deal. Buds Gun Shop...NIB 75 B, Full size, three 16 round mags, deluxe case, the real tritium sights and that sweet Omega trigger. ($520 ) Guess it was a special model. Didn't need it.....but when you get CZ fever and you fall upon a model you don't have yet and its On-Sale......just give into it! "Resistance is futile" |
| I still only have one, a 40-P. It does everything well, so another is really not needed. I recently found my original receipt. The purchase price was $375. You don't find deals steals like that anymore. It's a simply amazing pistol and at an amazing price. The wife likes her BHP better, so it's not going anywhere. |
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I know there is a lot of controversy over decocker-only CZ's, What? No, there is no controversy....decocker IS the way to go! If you ever need to use that pistol.....you just want to pull the trigger and go. The safety is in your trigger finger. You don't put your finger on any trigger until you are ready to shoot. I have a hard time understanding those who think the way to carry a pistol is "cocked and locked". Somehow that is suppose to be more safe than not cocked....and it requires two motions to get the thing to work. I suppose the arguments could go on forever but in the end its just a matter of personal preference. So, to those of us who know the "truth", a decocker is not a choice, its mandatory!
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What? No, there is no controversy....decocker IS the way to go! If you ever need to use that pistol.....you just want to pull the trigger and go. The safety is in your trigger finger. You don't put your finger on any trigger until you are ready to shoot. I have a hard time understanding those who think the way to carry a pistol is "cocked and locked". Somehow that is suppose to be more safe than not cocked....and it requires two motions to get the thing to work. I suppose the arguments could go on forever but in the end its just a matter of personal preference. So, to those of us who know the "truth", a decocker is not a choice, its mandatory!
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I know there is a lot of controversy over decocker-only CZ's, What? No, there is no controversy....decocker IS the way to go! If you ever need to use that pistol.....you just want to pull the trigger and go. The safety is in your trigger finger. You don't put your finger on any trigger until you are ready to shoot. I have a hard time understanding those who think the way to carry a pistol is "cocked and locked". Somehow that is suppose to be more safe than not cocked....and it requires two motions to get the thing to work. I suppose the arguments could go on forever but in the end its just a matter of personal preference. So, to those of us who know the "truth", a decocker is not a choice, its mandatory!
I would like a decocker, but I dont like the idea of a long DA pull if I need it for self defense. I would rather have that single action pull. Besides, it isnt like drawing and shooting DA is faster than drawing, taking off safety and firing. I could take the safety of during the draw. I could also take my safety off and fire the light SA trigger pull as fast as you could pull the entire DA trigger back. DA isnt THAT long of a pull, but neither is the safety. I carry my CZ's at half cock sometimes, but with my recent acquisitions in the 1911 realm, I have standardized my carry routine to cocked and locked. |
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What? No, there is no controversy....decocker IS the way to go! If you ever need to use that pistol.....you just want to pull the trigger and go. The safety is in your trigger finger. You don't put your finger on any trigger until you are ready to shoot. I have a hard time understanding those who think the way to carry a pistol is "cocked and locked". Somehow that is suppose to be more safe than not cocked....and it requires two motions to get the thing to work. I suppose the arguments could go on forever but in the end its just a matter of personal preference. So, to those of us who know the "truth", a decocker is not a choice, its mandatory!
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I know there is a lot of controversy over decocker-only CZ's, What? No, there is no controversy....decocker IS the way to go! If you ever need to use that pistol.....you just want to pull the trigger and go. The safety is in your trigger finger. You don't put your finger on any trigger until you are ready to shoot. I have a hard time understanding those who think the way to carry a pistol is "cocked and locked". Somehow that is suppose to be more safe than not cocked....and it requires two motions to get the thing to work. I suppose the arguments could go on forever but in the end its just a matter of personal preference. So, to those of us who know the "truth", a decocker is not a choice, its mandatory!
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A long time ago I lived in a place far away where I carried a fire arm every day. Fact is I even slept with it at night. One thing I can say with certainty...when you need to use that firearm, it could have a twenty pound, two inch long, trigger pull and you would never know it...you just pull that trigger and expect a big bang to happen. Also, on the de-cocker model, when you put the pistol into "de-cock" the hammer doesn't go all the way down, its sort of half cocked. So the trigger pull on the first round is not as long as on a safety model when the hammer is all the way down.
As for taking off the safety, its something else you have to remember to do. It takes time, it takes thought. When milliseconds matter its something else to slow you down. BTW, I own CZ-75's both with and without de-cockers. For the range either is fine. For defense....give me a de-cocker every time. That "cocked and locked" stuff is for those 1911 guys...you do know 1911's? Its the only pistol every made worth owning. Certainly no one else in the past 100 years could improve on that? Reminds me of those Harley guys...you know...Harley's are the only real motorcycles.....the cutting edge of 1938 technology......
You guys are so easy to get a rise out of........but seriously, de-cockers are the way to go as far as many of us feel. |
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You can manually de-cock a safety CZ to the same hammer position as the decocker model, without all those extra parts. The safety models offer an option the decockers cannot. If you shoot a CZ enough, thumbing off the safety is a non-issue because the strong hand thumb should be positioned on top of the safety which is disengaged soon as you grip the gun. Either way, the DA first shot is transparent to me.
Here's my ex-police, aluminum framed SAFETY compact...refinished in MolyResin 
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You can manually de-cock a safety CZ to the same hammer position as the decocker model, without all those extra parts. The safety models offer an option the decockers cannot. If you shoot a CZ enough, thumbing off the safety is a non-issue because the strong hand thumb should be positioned on top of the safety which is disengaged soon as you grip the gun. Either way, the DA first shot is transparent to me. Here's my ex-police, aluminum framed SAFETY compact...refinished in MolyResin https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942342_10151699009438390_2146365091_n.jpg +1 Just because you have a safety equipped model doesn't mean you have to use it. And they have the same half cock catch as the decockers. But as was said, if you shoot your 75 often you don't have to think about disengaging the safety and it doesn't take any more time. It's a natural part of your presentation and firing grip. |
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+1 Just because you have a safety equipped model doesn't mean you have to use it. And they have the same half cock catch as the decockers. But as was said, if you shoot your 75 often you don't have to think about disengaging the safety and it doesn't take any more time. It's a natural part of your presentation and firing grip. Quoted:
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You can manually de-cock a safety CZ to the same hammer position as the decocker model, without all those extra parts. The safety models offer an option the decockers cannot. If you shoot a CZ enough, thumbing off the safety is a non-issue because the strong hand thumb should be positioned on top of the safety which is disengaged soon as you grip the gun. Either way, the DA first shot is transparent to me. Here's my ex-police, aluminum framed SAFETY compact...refinished in MolyResin https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942342_10151699009438390_2146365091_n.jpg +1 Just because you have a safety equipped model doesn't mean you have to use it. And they have the same half cock catch as the decockers. But as was said, if you shoot your 75 often you don't have to think about disengaging the safety and it doesn't take any more time. It's a natural part of your presentation and firing grip. +2 Other than a Walther PPS and rimfires, the manual of arms is the same for the rest of my pistols. The rest of them being 1911s and CZs. Sweep thumb safety down/off Press trigger The wonderful thing about all of this is that CZ makes something for all of us. 
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Safety lovers are so much fun....very defensive of their safeties. 
But seriously, I have hand guns both with and without safeties. With the de-cocker you rack the slide to load the first round. Then you just press the de-cocker and the hammer safely goes down to half-cock. With my safety model, after racking the slide the hammer stays cocked. If I want to put the hammer down I have to......PULL THE TRIGGER! Of course I have to hold the hammer with my thumb so it doesn't fall on a loaded round! To let is slip would be a bad thing I think! So, to many the de-cocker model can be seen as a safer firearm if you want to have the pistol with the hammer down. Stop and think about it...why do you think they designed it that way? Interestingly enough, on my Beretta CX-4, when you rack it, it too stays cocked. Then you put on the safety and it drops the hammer for you. (Its can't fire during this operation). A Bersa Thunder I have does the same thing. Oh, and my Sig 228 worked that way. On the Beretta PX-4 there is a simple modification that allows you to convert the safety model to a de-cocker model my simply removing a spring and retainer ball. (G-model) Like many modern pistols the PX-4 has various modes it can be set up with to meet the needs of different users. DAO, safety, de-cocker, whatever. So, there are many reasons why some prefer the de-cocker CZ to the one without that added safety feature. (aka the "safety" equipped models). Many find the de-cocker models are in fact the safest for them. But as has been pointed out....CZ gives you a choice. What I find negative about the CZ is you can't convert it as you can other newer designs. That is a legacy of working with a firearm designed almost forty years ago. Times and tastes change...Its called "progress". |
I too just got into the CZ club (with a PCR). Would have been happy with a aluminum framed one with a safety like pivoproseem's since I come from carrying a 1911 for 10 years, but I've also carried a DAO S&W 642 most of those same 10 years so a DA first pull is no issue for me either. In anycase, the choice was easy since there were literally no CZ's of any flavor in stock for the past 6 months in my area and barely any to be found online, until I finally saw a batch of PCR's hit ImpactGuns. This will probably become a daily CCW favorite, but that's not to say a full size steel 75B SA/DA or SA isn't in my future either if they become less scarce
Guess my H&K USP Tactical settled all sides of the Safety/Decocker debate by having a safety that's also a decocker... though that's purely a range toy since I only carry IWB and it's too much of a brick to do that
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Might have to try the PCR to replace my G19 in that size catagory. Finally got the G19 to the way I like it with a candle and soldering iron. Not for the faint of heart. Not a fan of Glocks but man is it light and goes boom and parts are everywhere. I had a P01 that I sold because CCW was a dream for IL and I had 3 other CZ's. For reindeer games and HD I have the Sp01. For future carry PPS. Winter carry G19 or PCR.
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Safety lovers are so much fun....very defensive of their safeties.
But seriously, I have hand guns both with and without safeties. With the de-cocker you rack the slide to load the first round. Then you just press the de-cocker and the hammer safely goes down to half-cock. With my safety model, after racking the slide the hammer stays cocked. If I want to put the hammer down I have to......PULL THE TRIGGER! Of course I have to hold the hammer with my thumb so it doesn't fall on a loaded round! To let is slip would be a bad thing I think! So, to many the de-cocker model can be seen as a safer firearm if you want to have the pistol with the hammer down. Stop and think about it...why do you think they designed it that way? Interestingly enough, on my Beretta CX-4, when you rack it, it too stays cocked. Then you put on the safety and it drops the hammer for you. (Its can't fire during this operation). A Bersa Thunder I have does the same thing. Oh, and my Sig 228 worked that way. On the Beretta PX-4 there is a simple modification that allows you to convert the safety model to a de-cocker model my simply removing a spring and retainer ball. (G-model) Like many modern pistols the PX-4 has various modes it can be set up with to meet the needs of different users. DAO, safety, de-cocker, whatever. So, there are many reasons why some prefer the de-cocker CZ to the one without that added safety feature. (aka the "safety" equipped models). Many find the de-cocker models are in fact the safest for them. But as has been pointed out....CZ gives you a choice. What I find negative about the CZ is you can't convert it as you can other newer designs. That is a legacy of working with a firearm designed almost forty years ago. Times and tastes change...Its called "progress". Can't carry it cocked and locked. Easier to thumb a safety and shoot than to adjust grip and thumb the hammer back. DA is always an option, but in self defense I want SA for accuracy. Both decocker and safety have reasons. For guys like me, decocker is pointless. It's a non-issue to thumb down a hammer with the trigger. All decocker does is take my safety away. |