Posted: 7/18/2013 1:10:53 PM EDT
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so after seeing a couple p-07's locally, i was looking into them and reading about them (really want a 75 b or sp-01 but cant find one new anywhere). anyway, whats everyones thoughts on them? they seem to be pretty good value for the price.
although, i did read some people talking about "frame bulge". whats up with that? the current guns have that problem still or did cz correct that? last question to those who have handled or shot both: p-07 or fn fnx? |
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I really like mine, but I find the reset to be really long. The reset is much longer than all my other pistols, except my Beretta 92FS, so switching around is kinda frustrating.
I don't know anything about the frame bulge issue. Magazines are pretty expensive. I like the P-07 better than the FNX, personally. Colin |
| No frame bulge on mine, apparently they've fixed the issue. Though the magazines it came with have weak springs that won't lock the slide back anymore. I think they're coming with different mags as my mag bodies are blued and the ones that I've seen in store with new pistols are parked. Not too much of an issue for me, it still shoots, the SP-01 is in the nightstand and CZ will replace them once I actually manage to get them shipped out. |
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The A serial frames, and the early ones of those, had the bulge issue. They corrected the polymer, so if you have a B series that problem is fixed. They also fixed a problem with the magazines, and the new ones are a parkerized look while the old ones looked blued. If you end up with either problem CZ will correct the problem if you have issues. They have excellent CS. Personally, I would pick the CZ any day over the FNX.
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I like mine well enough.
Hopefully it'll be getting some more upgrades here soon. Already have a steel guide rod and night sights. I'll also vouch for the long reset. I use the decocker, not the safety. 
Blackhawk OWB holster for a XD subcompact - size 16 by their chart. Fits like a glove. I hardly ever use it any more though. 
One time EDC setup 
Plastic guide rod replaced by steel guide rod 
Fun range day 
Fresh outta the box 
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The whole frame bulge thing was purely cosmetic - mine had it and ran like a top, no problems. By the way, High Noon makes some top quality rigs for the P-07. It is a very accurate and reliable pistol.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Finalpic.jpg If you are looking for a range/home pistol, I would also recommend you look into the new P-09 - I love mine. When the new night sights come out, and with the Nebo under barrel light, that 19 round magazine makes for an excellent "What went bump in the night" pistol. :D This one eats every factory round I feed it with no burps, and hits what I aim at, which is all I can ask of a firearm. http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/CZ%20P-09/Nebo2_zps938345a3.jpg |
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I liked the looks of mine well enough, but sold it to fund a SIG SP2022 purchase. Why you ask?
The trigger reach was waaay too long in DA mode and there's no fix for it. There is for the all steel CZs, but not for the P-07. I didn't know this before buying and wouldn't have purchased the gun had I known the standard CZ75 short reach trigger wouldn't fit. The build quality and fit and finish are okay, but just okay. I found the plastic controls to be very cheap feeling and the frame is pretty chintzy. I read on another forum where a member was squeezing his together to make the frame sides touch. Never tried it, so don't know. It does have a metal trigger and I commend CZ for building it that way when so many others are using plastic. Many posters on several different forums are still saying that new CZs are still bulging and CZ will no longer warranty a fix for cosmetics. A poster on here tried his P-07 in the "5,000 round challenge" and it failed spectacularly. When I say spectacularly, I mean it self destructed...completely. CZ sent him a new gun and he sold it promptly. I sold mine shortly after reading that and haven't looked back. My new SIG is magnitudes better in this department IMHO. Accuracy was decent, but it shot low. Not just with me, but everyone. Offhand, off the bench, off wherever. The sights were cheaply made plastic and would need to be changed post haste. I do believe standard CZ75 sights fit, so that should be an easy fix. Mags are relatively expensive and hard to find. Why they didn't retrofit the standard CZ75 mag into the P-07 is beyond me. Keep your eyes open and be ready to buy is all I can say. CZ support in the form of parts, holsters or accessories is almost nonexistent. Aftermarket is worse. Literally nothing for this gun. If you're not in love with this gun as is, don't buy. As an aside, I really don't get that. I mean what's the marketing angle? Isn't this supposed to be CZ's line of the future? As mentioned above, some holsters originally designed for other makes can fit. Buying and trying might be your only option other than a generic nylon holster like the Bianchi. If you love yours, great. I didn't love mine. 31 flavors and all that. Konger ETA: sorry if this came across as sour grapes. I was just very disappointed in CZ and this gun when I had such high hopes for my first CZ. |
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I liked the looks of mine well enough, but sold it to fund a SIG SP2022 purchase. Why you ask? The trigger reach was waaay too long in DA mode and there's no fix for it. There is for the all steel CZs, but not for the P-07. I didn't know this before buying and wouldn't have purchased the gun had I known the standard CZ75 short reach trigger wouldn't fit. The build quality and fit and finish are okay, but just okay. I found the plastic controls to be very cheap feeling and the frame is pretty chintzy. I read on another forum where a member was squeezing his together to make the frame sides touch. Never tried it, so don't know. It does have a metal trigger and I commend CZ for building it that way when so many others are using plastic. Many posters on several different forums are still saying that new CZs are still bulging and CZ will no longer warranty a fix for cosmetics. A poster on here tried his P-07 in the "5,000 round challenge" and it failed spectacularly. When I say spectacularly, I mean it self destructed...completely. CZ sent him a new gun and he sold it promptly. I sold mine shortly after reading that and haven't looked back. My new SIG is magnitudes better in this department IMHO. Accuracy was decent, but it shot low. Not just with me, but everyone. Offhand, off the bench, off wherever. The sights were cheaply made plastic and would need to be changed post haste. I do believe standard CZ75 sights fit, so that should be an easy fix. Mags are relatively expensive and hard to find. Why they didn't retrofit the standard CZ75 mag into the P-07 is beyond me. Keep your eyes open and be ready to buy is all I can say. CZ support in the form of parts, holsters or accessories is almost nonexistent. Aftermarket is worse. Literally nothing for this gun. If you're not in love with this gun as is, don't buy. As an aside, I really don't get that. I mean what's the marketing angle? Isn't this supposed to be CZ's line of the future? As mentioned above, some holsters originally designed for other makes can fit. Buying and trying might be your only option other than a generic nylon holster like the Bianchi. If you love yours, great. I didn't love mine. 31 flavors and all that. Konger ETA: sorry if this came across as sour grapes. I was just very disappointed in CZ and this gun when I had such high hopes for my first CZ. 5000 round challenge? i dont/didnt expect super high quality. i mean, it is a $450 gun after all. i couldnt tell you how mine shoots yet but if its low or high there are different front sight posts to adjust for that. i dont mind the long DA pull as i have slightly larger hands and i have the safety in instead of the decocker so it wont ever be in DA actually unless i lower the hammer manually (no thanks, dont wanna lose a thumb if the hammer slips) i dont mind the bulge either. ive seen pics, and its just cosmetic so it doesnt bother me any. though i doubt anyone could get the two sides to touch with out using a car or vice or without it breaking. and i dont really need any aftermarket stuff. not gonna carry it. maybe night sights and cz custom has those. just gotta figure out what height i need. this is just a fun range/bedside gun. dont need anything fancy. |
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I liked the looks of mine well enough, but sold it to fund a SIG SP2022 purchase. Why you ask? The trigger reach was waaay too long in DA mode and there's no fix for it. There is for the all steel CZs, but not for the P-07. I didn't know this before buying and wouldn't have purchased the gun had I known the standard CZ75 short reach trigger wouldn't fit. The build quality and fit and finish are okay, but just okay. I found the plastic controls to be very cheap feeling and the frame is pretty chintzy. I read on another forum where a member was squeezing his together to make the frame sides touch. Never tried it, so don't know. It does have a metal trigger and I commend CZ for building it that way when so many others are using plastic. Many posters on several different forums are still saying that new CZs are still bulging and CZ will no longer warranty a fix for cosmetics. A poster on here tried his P-07 in the "5,000 round challenge" and it failed spectacularly. When I say spectacularly, I mean it self destructed...completely. CZ sent him a new gun and he sold it promptly. I sold mine shortly after reading that and haven't looked back. My new SIG is magnitudes better in this department IMHO. Accuracy was decent, but it shot low. Not just with me, but everyone. Offhand, off the bench, off wherever. The sights were cheaply made plastic and would need to be changed post haste. I do believe standard CZ75 sights fit, so that should be an easy fix. Mags are relatively expensive and hard to find. Why they didn't retrofit the standard CZ75 mag into the P-07 is beyond me. Keep your eyes open and be ready to buy is all I can say. CZ support in the form of parts, holsters or accessories is almost nonexistent. Aftermarket is worse. Literally nothing for this gun. If you're not in love with this gun as is, don't buy. As an aside, I really don't get that. I mean what's the marketing angle? Isn't this supposed to be CZ's line of the future? As mentioned above, some holsters originally designed for other makes can fit. Buying and trying might be your only option other than a generic nylon holster like the Bianchi. If you love yours, great. I didn't love mine. 31 flavors and all that. Konger ETA: sorry if this came across as sour grapes. I was just very disappointed in CZ and this gun when I had such high hopes for my first CZ. Standard CZ-75 mags work just fine, use them all the time 
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5000 round challenge? Yeah, it seems kind of laughable and I can't imagine a scenario where one would need to fire a pistol 5,000 rounds without cleaning. It is nice to know that a pistol you own is theoretically reliable and durable to this degree, although I don't plan on trying the challenge myself. 
i dont/didnt expect super high quality. i mean, it is a $450 gun after all. Whoa there partner! Some of us aren't rolling around in money like Scrooge McDuck. I'd hazard a guess that a good number of people posting on this board don't bring home pay stubs with much more than that. The MSRP on the P-07 is right in the mix of polymer handgun pricing. No, it's not an X series SIG or an HK, but you should expect a quality firearm for $450 from CZ or anyone else. Not saying it isn't, just saying. i couldnt tell you how mine shoots yet but if its low or high there are different front sight posts to adjust for that. Definitely shoot it before buying new sights. You may end up with an adjustable rear sight to accommodate your shooting style. There again, many people leave the standard Glock plastic sights on and are satisfied with them. If you like them, run with them. I broke the sights on my Glock when it was relatively new and replaced them with steel. i dont mind the long DA pull as i have slightly larger hands and i have the safety in instead of the decocker so it wont ever be in DA actually unless i lower the hammer manually (no thanks, dont wanna lose a thumb if the hammer slips) Larger hands will definitely help. I have medium hands and it just didn't work for me in DA. CZ could have designed the gun with a replaceable grip or inserts, but they didn't. Regardless, I found the safety lever to be of a poor design and too small to be used reliably. i dont mind the bulge either. ive seen pics, and its just cosmetic so it doesnt bother me any. though i doubt anyone could get the two sides to touch with out using a car or vice or without it breaking. The bulge is cosmetic till your slide is riding on air. Not saying it will ever get to that, but who knows. I only mentioned the frame touching thing because it reinforced my thoughts that the frame material was just a bit too flimsy for my tastes. and i dont really need any aftermarket stuff. You say that now, but it's nice to know stuff (at least some stuff) is out there if you do. not gonna carry it. maybe night sights and cz custom has those. just gotta figure out what height i need. CZ Custom is one stop shopping and that's where I'd go. Shoot first, then order. this is just a fun range/bedside gun. dont need anything fancy. My HD gun is just as important to me as my carry gun. Quoted:
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Snip 5000 round challenge? Yeah, it seems kind of laughable and I can't imagine a scenario where one would need to fire a pistol 5,000 rounds without cleaning. It is nice to know that a pistol you own is theoretically reliable and durable to this degree, although I don't plan on trying the challenge myself.
i dont/didnt expect super high quality. i mean, it is a $450 gun after all. Whoa there partner! Some of us aren't rolling around in money like Scrooge McDuck. I'd hazard a guess that a good number of people posting on this board don't bring home pay stubs with much more than that. The MSRP on the P-07 is right in the mix of polymer handgun pricing. No, it's not an X series SIG or an HK, but you should expect a quality firearm for $450 from CZ or anyone else. Not saying it isn't, just saying. i couldnt tell you how mine shoots yet but if its low or high there are different front sight posts to adjust for that. Definitely shoot it before buying new sights. You may end up with an adjustable rear sight to accommodate your shooting style. There again, many people leave the standard Glock plastic sights on and are satisfied with them. If you like them, run with them. I broke the sights on my Glock when it was relatively new and replaced them with steel. i dont mind the long DA pull as i have slightly larger hands and i have the safety in instead of the decocker so it wont ever be in DA actually unless i lower the hammer manually (no thanks, dont wanna lose a thumb if the hammer slips) Larger hands will definitely help. I have medium hands and it just didn't work for me in DA. CZ could have designed the gun with a replaceable grip or inserts, but they didn't. Regardless, I found the safety lever to be of a poor design and too small to be used reliably. i dont mind the bulge either. ive seen pics, and its just cosmetic so it doesnt bother me any. though i doubt anyone could get the two sides to touch with out using a car or vice or without it breaking. The bulge is cosmetic till your slide is riding on air. Not saying it will ever get to that, but who knows. I only mentioned the frame touching thing because it reinforced my thoughts that the frame material was just a bit too flimsy for my tastes. and i dont really need any aftermarket stuff. You say that now, but it's nice to know stuff (at least some stuff) is out there if you do. not gonna carry it. maybe night sights and cz custom has those. just gotta figure out what height i need. CZ Custom is one stop shopping and that's where I'd go. Shoot first, then order. this is just a fun range/bedside gun. dont need anything fancy. My HD gun is just as important to me as my carry gun. Good luck and I hope your CZ works for you. Konger |
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Standard CZ-75 mags work just fine, use them all the time
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I liked the looks of mine well enough, but sold it to fund a SIG SP2022 purchase. Why you ask? The trigger reach was waaay too long in DA mode and there's no fix for it. There is for the all steel CZs, but not for the P-07. I didn't know this before buying and wouldn't have purchased the gun had I known the standard CZ75 short reach trigger wouldn't fit. The build quality and fit and finish are okay, but just okay. I found the plastic controls to be very cheap feeling and the frame is pretty chintzy. I read on another forum where a member was squeezing his together to make the frame sides touch. Never tried it, so don't know. It does have a metal trigger and I commend CZ for building it that way when so many others are using plastic. Many posters on several different forums are still saying that new CZs are still bulging and CZ will no longer warranty a fix for cosmetics. A poster on here tried his P-07 in the "5,000 round challenge" and it failed spectacularly. When I say spectacularly, I mean it self destructed...completely. CZ sent him a new gun and he sold it promptly. I sold mine shortly after reading that and haven't looked back. My new SIG is magnitudes better in this department IMHO. Accuracy was decent, but it shot low. Not just with me, but everyone. Offhand, off the bench, off wherever. The sights were cheaply made plastic and would need to be changed post haste. I do believe standard CZ75 sights fit, so that should be an easy fix. Mags are relatively expensive and hard to find. Why they didn't retrofit the standard CZ75 mag into the P-07 is beyond me. Keep your eyes open and be ready to buy is all I can say. CZ support in the form of parts, holsters or accessories is almost nonexistent. Aftermarket is worse. Literally nothing for this gun. If you're not in love with this gun as is, don't buy. As an aside, I really don't get that. I mean what's the marketing angle? Isn't this supposed to be CZ's line of the future? As mentioned above, some holsters originally designed for other makes can fit. Buying and trying might be your only option other than a generic nylon holster like the Bianchi. If you love yours, great. I didn't love mine. 31 flavors and all that. Konger ETA: sorry if this came across as sour grapes. I was just very disappointed in CZ and this gun when I had such high hopes for my first CZ. Standard CZ-75 mags work just fine, use them all the time
Do these Me-gar's work in P-07's? ETA: Konger: Without sounding like a defensive fanboy, I'll stick up for the aftermarket segment, just slightly. I've purchased a replacement steel guide rod, Night sights, Bravo Concealment, Crossbreed, Raven Concealment, and High Noon make holsters. I think Cajun Gun Works are the only ones doing trigger work. I know this isn't a lot but there is some stuff out there. |
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I liked the looks of mine well enough, but sold it to fund a SIG SP2022 purchase. Why you ask? The trigger reach was waaay too long in DA mode and there's no fix for it. There is for the all steel CZs, but not for the P-07. I didn't know this before buying and wouldn't have purchased the gun had I known the standard CZ75 short reach trigger wouldn't fit. The build quality and fit and finish are okay, but just okay. I found the plastic controls to be very cheap feeling and the frame is pretty chintzy. I read on another forum where a member was squeezing his together to make the frame sides touch. Never tried it, so don't know. It does have a metal trigger and I commend CZ for building it that way when so many others are using plastic. Many posters on several different forums are still saying that new CZs are still bulging and CZ will no longer warranty a fix for cosmetics. A poster on here tried his P-07 in the "5,000 round challenge" and it failed spectacularly. When I say spectacularly, I mean it self destructed...completely. CZ sent him a new gun and he sold it promptly. I sold mine shortly after reading that and haven't looked back. My new SIG is magnitudes better in this department IMHO. Accuracy was decent, but it shot low. Not just with me, but everyone. Offhand, off the bench, off wherever. The sights were cheaply made plastic and would need to be changed post haste. I do believe standard CZ75 sights fit, so that should be an easy fix. Mags are relatively expensive and hard to find. Why they didn't retrofit the standard CZ75 mag into the P-07 is beyond me. Keep your eyes open and be ready to buy is all I can say. CZ support in the form of parts, holsters or accessories is almost nonexistent. Aftermarket is worse. Literally nothing for this gun. If you're not in love with this gun as is, don't buy. As an aside, I really don't get that. I mean what's the marketing angle? Isn't this supposed to be CZ's line of the future? As mentioned above, some holsters originally designed for other makes can fit. Buying and trying might be your only option other than a generic nylon holster like the Bianchi. If you love yours, great. I didn't love mine. 31 flavors and all that. Konger ETA: sorry if this came across as sour grapes. I was just very disappointed in CZ and this gun when I had such high hopes for my first CZ. Standard CZ-75 mags work just fine, use them all the time
Do these Me-gar's work in P-07's? . Specifically I've used these, being that they hang-out the bottom a bit (a good 1/2 inch between the grip and top of the mag extension) I would venture a guess the 16's could work? ETA: these 16's are "Pre B" mags, not sure what the difference is so you may have to refer to someone with a bit more knowledge on that subject. |