My point being, if you're down to the mousegun, use it to break contact & run.  That's pretty good advice for any civilian use of a pistol other than trying to heroically take down a mass shooter.

As far as snubs, it's far more fun to practice not drawing at 5 yds & shoot through the used Goodwill hoodie pocket instead.  

The only "mousegun" I've owned was a 2nd gen LCP, and it was great for what it was I only got rid of it because I had rusting issues. I've been thinking of picking up an LCP max for pocket carry, hopefully the finish is better on those. I don't know about .25ACP for carry, I have a few loose rounds of it that I'm not sure where it came from, never owned or shot anything in that caliber. Seems neat, but I've heard the ballistics suck.

.25 ACP is basically 45-50 grn centerfire original .22 LR, non-highspeed.  More reliable ignition, heavier bullet, slightly slower.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/25auto.html

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22.html

The whole reason the 25acp exists is that 22lr was not reliable enough in the early 1900s. Browning basically made a cemterfire round in a minimal package.

Around the house I keep a pair of North American Arms revolvers handy. Either a LR or a Magnum.  Bother wear revision C V grips on them.

http://www.revisioncv.com/catalog/4

I also have a beretta 21a with a bunch of mags and a keltec p3at I've had since the early 2000s and have unknown thousands of rounds through it.  Always qualified with it.  Replace springs once I think.  It rode in my vest for years for backup until I got a glock 26 for ankle carry.

.32 ACP is the smallest round I'd ever want to carry for self defense.

As such, my Beretta Tomcat is a gun I bought when they first came out in the 90's and I really like it.  I shoot it decently well, and can reliably hit a 6" plate at 15 yards with it.  32 is decent step up in power and penetration compared to 25, and the Tomcat is big bigger than the Bobcat, so it's easier to shoot.

That said, unless you're in some commie state where you can't legally carry (for now), I don't understand this "deep cover" theme.  When is a regular person ever going to be be so looked at / inspected that they can't carry at least a J-frame on them?  It's not like you're an undercover narc who's going to a buy and gets patted down, so you need a .25 in your drawers in case "things go down!"

Interesting video. The 25acp is stopped by the sternum in the ballistics dummy used

When i do carry a 32, i use Lehigh bullets

Tell me about the fountain pen.

And I thought a mouse gun was either an AR15 or a .22 with ratshot in it.

I did see a guy kill a mouse with an old Colt Frontier Scout (.22 long rifle) in his garage one night.

I was working on my car in my father-in-law's garage.  He came out to see what I was doing and we talked a bit before I saw a mouse run across the joists above the car.  I pointed and said, "Roger, look at that mouse."  He told me he didn't have any mice in his garage.  We continued to talk and I saw it on the wall above the back door and pointed it out to him.  He turned, left the garage through the front door and came back a few minutes later with his old Colt.  He'd had it since he was a teenager and put many thousands of rounds through it over the year and was a dead shot with it.

We talked some more and all the sudden he turned, raised the gun up and fired and the mouse that had been running across the joist fell to the floor in front of my car.  He said, "Told you I don't have mice in my garage."  I said, "Roger, you just shot a hole in the roof."  He looked at me and replied, "Yeah, but it's a little hole."  Then he tossed the mouse into the stove and went back inside the house.

The man was left handed but always carried his revolvers on his right hip and shot them right handed.  I asked him, once, why he shot his rifles/shotguns left handed and his handguns right handed and he said, "Wasn't no such thing as a left handed holster around here when I was younger."

That’s a Kaweco AL Sport Espresso Brown special edition I picked up in Washington D.C. when I was up there protecting democracy from the greatest threat democracy has ever faced.

I have the same in a Demonstrator with a broad nib. excellent little pens.

Across the pond “Vest pocket pistols” are a thing:

http://www.vestpockets.bauli.at/

Using the menu options in the upper left, you can see what we’re missing out on due to GCA68, when these lil’ things were prohibited.

There’s a 6,35/.25ACP of the PSM called Baikal IJ75/ Baikal 441, which would be cool as shit:

http://www.vestpockets.bauli.at/

History:

"PSM" means "pistolet samosarjadnij malogabaritnij", which means "selfloading pistol of small dimensions".
In 1973 the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant began producing the 5.45mm PSM small self-loading pistol developed by a group of Tula designers: Tikhon Lashnev, Anatoly Samarin and Lev Kulikov. Before designing the PSM pistol in 1969, they had already accumulated rich experience in developing sports and hunting weapons. The same group headed by Lashnev had developed a rapid fire sports pistol. Subsequently, they used its separate design features to create the PSM pistol.
The cartridge for the pistol was developed by Antonina Denisskaya, designer from the Precision Mechanical Engineering Central Research Institute.
Conceptually, the PSM is a pistol for concealed carrying. Owing to the overall dimensions and weight of this class of pistol they can be carried in clothing pockets without the holster. The designers of the cartridge-pistol complex, apparently inspired by the idea of creating a compact pistol possessing sufficient destructive power, had to develop a new and unique 5.45mm cartridge. In terms of overall dimensions, the 5.45mm MPTs pistol cartridge is virtually identical to the 6.35mm Browning pistol. In terms of muzzle energy, the cartridge surpasses the Browning cartridge by 1.2 to 1.5 times and is somewhat better than the rimfire high-velocity cartridge .22LR HV. In terms of specific energy (ratio of muzzle energy to bullet cross section area), the MPTs cartridge surpasses the 6.35mm cartridge 1.5 to 2 times and the .22 cartridge 1.1 times. This characteristic determines the depth of bullet penetration into soft tissue and penetrating effect. So for instance it is told, that the normal amount of kevlar-levels used in a protection vest was clearly blown through.
The pistol was primarily intended for army high command staff. However, owing to its insignificant dimensions, especially small thickness it soon became popular with security and law enforcement personnel. The PSM was also appreciated by higher echelon Party functionaries.
The great political changes in the world during the late 1980s and early 1990s led to the appearance of the Russian small pistol on the Western arms market. Drawing on the PSM standard pistol, enterprise designers developed an export version, the IZh-75. Bearing in mind the destructive criteria for weapons imported to the U.S.A., the enterprise developed the pistol, nicknamed Baikal-441 and chambered for the .25 ACP cartridge that is widespread in Europe and America. Version with or without adjustable rear side have been distributed.
The picture shows the .25 model for export.

A buddy of mine carries an NAA revolver in .22 magnum as a “ get off me gun”…….. and uses hornady ammo.

Nice find!
Bookmarked.

I recently got me a beastly pocket gun. It’s highly unpleasant, ugly and has a hateful trigger, but it works, and is surprisingly accurate once you get used to the groove sight channel up top.
This is a pocket full of pure, recoil-driven hatred from the most ridiculous corner of firearm hell.
If it runs dry, I’ll jam it into a sock and use it as a blackjack.

I give you…the AMT Backup 45.

Isn't the trigger using the recoil spring or some such ridiculousness?  The little AMT .380 SA was probably the better gun.

No, it’s the opposite: the mainspring tensions the hammer against the slide to provide resistance IOT maintain lock time.

That’s why they have such abominable triggers, BUT, if you can manage the trigger, these little hogs are mechanically very accurate. Mine printed within 1” at seven yards, slow fire, and was not terrible to shoot once you know what to expect.

It also fits like a glove in my IWB 1911 holsters, which is a distinct bonus.

Define mousegun - the size of the gun, or the size of the cartridge?

Would you consider a Colt 1903/1908 Pocket Hammerless a mousegun?

If so...what if I told you there was a 10+1 flush fit mag 9mm that was identical in dimension to a 1903/1908, down to even including the bottom-hinged grip safety...the only exception being it's slightly wider than the old Colt? It can also be had with or without a thumb safety, and it's drop-safe, unlike the old Colt, which is not drop safe...not even after they redid the sear/hammer in the 1920s after serial number 400,000 or so.

The S&W Equalizer...in 9mm...meets those criteria. You can even mount an optic to it.

32 acp and below

I think the lines are blurring.  Particularly since the pejorative mouse was applied AFTER the discovery of antibiotics.  In 1908, a .32 ACP to the gut was probably not survivable.

Might have been RWS.

 There do not appear to be any revolvers in that photograph.  You are lacking, good sir.  

Goddamnit!  Hope you didn't scratch it.  We're both easily triggered.  

It's not that I'm trying to annoy you - I'm a gun dealer, I just want you to buy more guns, which helps the gun economy in general - so purely self-interest on my part.  

Ah, can't sell you a mousegun, you live in Florida.

But the .327 and .32 H&R snubs would fit the bill.  I'm holding out for a .30 SC...

A few years ago I ran across this gun called a "Chantecler Depose" in .25 ACP at a gun show, then stumbled upon a Tanfoglio GT27 at a pawn shop, then picked up a Raven MP-25 from a co-orker and before I knew it I had a fairly good collection of ammo, so I ordered a Phoenix HP25A, which is one of the last 25 ACP guns still being made as far as I can tell.

I have never carried any of them. I have plenty of pocket .380 and 9mm pistols for that.

Attached File

I do have brass and dies for reloading but have never found bullets. I was told by a friend reloading for 25 ACP can be difficult  because the charges need to be exact. Apparently a grain over or under in that small size makes a tremendous difference.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2664832_1st-of-a-series-what-would-you-carry-in-1920-.html

The last hurrah of the mousegun before Penicillin was discovered.