Posted: 6/28/2009 2:10:00 PM EDT
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I hear about these Kahr problems, but I just haven't seen them out of my P45. The only problem that I have had is getting used to the trigger...all me. It seems to me that I read of problems more often from the PM and CW series than from the P series...is that accurate?
I am seriously contemplating getting my wife a P9 as a carry gun. While I only have maybe 600 rounds through my P45, I have found it to be as reliable as my XD's...so far. Please let me know if my observation about the various Kahr lines is accurate from your experience. Blake |
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PM9s are known for trouble. The one I had ran fine as long as it was wet. P9s run better I think. I need to get another. I hopeyou don't mind if I totally disagree with you 
Humm: darn funny my PM9 has over 20,000 rounds through it and not one issues I think your living in the past past when you make that statement. PM9 are as reliable as any of the polymer kahrs made, Many of the PM9 issues and CW issues are shooter issues. Many try right off the bat to load by manual racking and have issues and therefore consider the gun defective, when indeed it is not, just merely not being loaded the way the kahr manual states to load the first round. A P9 wold be an excellent gun for your wife, as would the cw9 also for alot less money indeed. same internal qualities, just not all the bells and whistles on it.. |
| Porsche I've seen your posts and I am sure that your individual weapon is excellent. But it is noted by many people, myself included, that there are more problems reported with PM9s than P9s. Not just by new shooters but also by experienced shooters. I'm not saying the PM9 as a platform is unreliable, just that like many small handguns, individual examples are probably more likely to be finicky than is the case with weapons of greater size. |
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Porsche I've seen your posts and I am sure that your individual weapon is excellent. But it is noted by many people, myself included, that there are more problems reported with PM9s than P9s. Not just by new shooters but also by experienced shooters. I'm not saying the PM9 as a platform is unreliable, just that like many small handguns, individual examples are probably more likely to be finicky than is the case with weapons of greater size. my bet for every one P9 sold there are 15 PM9's sold. odds are that if there are more complaints it will be in the PM9. I guess thats why we can allhave opinions to.. |
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oh come on Porsche, I bought a BRAND NEW IA serial number PM9 and it shot 8" off right out of the box. I've never even heard of other people having this problem, so maybe it was a rarity, but it's still something you shouldn't get from a $650 gun!. People buy glock's, XD's, etc. for sub $500's and never have a single problem. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my PM9 now more than ever. It never had a single malfunction in 450 rounds before I sent it back. Just didn't shoot straight. The slide was out of spec. It was not the shooter's problem. I agree with you though, in that a lot of people have a hard time chambering a round when they manually rack the slide. Even after breaking mine in, I can do this just fine. But they do have issues. There is no denying that. There's also no denying that Kahr will make it right. But it took mine 2-1/2 months.
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Porsche I've seen your posts and I am sure that your individual weapon is excellent. But it is noted by many people, myself included, that there are more problems reported with PM9s than P9s. Not just by new shooters but also by experienced shooters. I'm not saying the PM9 as a platform is unreliable, just that like many small handguns, individual examples are probably more likely to be finicky than is the case with weapons of greater size. my bet for every one P9 sold there are 15 PM9's sold. odds are that if there are more complaints it will be in the PM9. I guess thats why we can allhave opinions to.. Here they mostly sell P9s. I was talking with a custom shop that has done some Kahr work in the past, they told me they had a hard time getting PM9s to run, P9s ran great. |
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Porsche I've seen your posts and I am sure that your individual weapon is excellent. But it is noted by many people, myself included, that there are more problems reported with PM9s than P9s. Not just by new shooters but also by experienced shooters. I'm not saying the PM9 as a platform is unreliable, just that like many small handguns, individual examples are probably more likely to be finicky than is the case with weapons of greater size. my bet for every one P9 sold there are 15 PM9's sold. odds are that if there are more complaints it will be in the PM9. I guess thats why we can allhave opinions to.. Here they mostly sell P9s. I was talking with a custom shop that has done some Kahr work in the past, they told me they had a hard time getting PM9s to run, P9s ran great. I just have a hard time with a gun like the P9 being 1/2" longer in barrel and slide lenght, and weighing one ounce more than a PM9 being a less problematic gun. all internals are exactly the same. Here in terre haute, Indiana, Gander mt sells a bunch of PM9 and PM40 and they don't even stock the P9 what so ever , nor any steel versions either. My smaller dealer about 30 miles from me only stocks and sells the PM9 and PM40, One of the biggest dealers in Indianapolis, whom I bought my kahrs off of again sells the PM9 and PM40 over every other kahr made, EXCEPT the CW9 and CW40 which is their best seller, he never mentions the P9 or P40. Must be geographics. You might indeed be right but of late one just does not hear of issues with the entire kahr line. Now for a barrel/slide combothat shoots 8" off, indeed that is a bad gun, but that happens in all guns being made by mfg-ers. Some more than others.No doubt when one gets a lemon, he tends to bring it to seruface alot more than people who buy and never have an issue and normally never visit gun forums even |
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My wife's P9 ran better out of the box than my PM9. Neither one was even close to reliable even after the recommended break-in period. I polished the living snot out of the barrel, locking block, slide rails, etc on both guns. They now both run pretty well. It certainly is a disappointment for a gun that costs so much.
Even now, I am disappointed by the poor support of the first round in the mag. The simple act of placing a mag in a carrier (or extracting it) can result in a top round that is so mis-aligned that it will nose-dive or pop out of the mag when reloading. (I've tried several carriers and several mags.) I've sent a few emails to Kahr on the subject with no reply, and I've seen multiple threads where other people have called about the same problem and been offered no help. It seems to me like the only solution is a follower redesign. I do carry the PM9 because after extensive work on my part, I can get 7 rounds off without a malfunction, and it's slimmer and higher capacity than my J-frame. I do also carry a spare mag because it's faster to draw the mag, re-align the top round, and re-charge the weapon than it is to use a speed loader on the J-frame. I consider the mag as more of a "clip" that needs more TLC than any other mag I have ever seen. ETA: my PM9 is a "VC" serial number purchased brand new from a high-volume retailer this year. 
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I have shot 4-5 PM9s and they all ran perfectly.
Same with the GSG-5, but in the GSG forum the threads all cite problems...................there is a pattern........... The tech forums are for things like troubleshooting issues so it stands to reason that there will be a lot of "Why is my gun not working right" threads. It would get pretty boring if everyone started a new thread when there WASN'T an issue. |
| Have to agree with u on that. Most people who have guns that are working like they should are usually out shooting them. Those that have issues bring it to the forums. Just he nautre of the beast. I see this on my Porsche forum also. They are not exempt from problems, trust me on that. |
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I had a PM9 and it was a nice carry gun. One day I dropped it and the gun somehow got damaged where it would not dry ifre. I field stripped it and didn't see any problems. I reassembled it and then it worked normally again. I totally lost faith in it and I sold it away and went back to a J frame S&W.
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would have been interesting tok now what happened. I have dropped my K9 on the concrete (loaded) and it never went kaboom but worked perfectly when I pulled the trigger. .They are drop safe and tey will go bang after being dropped, what happened to yours was an anolomy but if you lose faith in it, indeed peddle it and move on.. Us tated u could
not dfry fire it, was the gun unloaded when u dropped it???did u rack the slide back after you dropped it ??? |
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Took the P45 out last weekend. Put maybe 100 rounds through it. Whadayaknow, it went bang every time and the slide locked open on every empty mag.
I've been thinking about this whole manipulating the slide discussion, and my conclusion is that if you are having malfunctions due to not properly loading with the slide release or a manual release, then a revolver is your friend.  I scrutinize this gun more than any other I have because of the stories I read here, and I have yet to have one hiccup.
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I bought a p-45 and hated it for the first 500 rounds. I woke up one day and decided to fire the thing until it melted or broke. It did neither. The more I fired it the better it got. At the end of 250 rounds It was working like a champ. I would not have trusted my life to the piece of shit I bought but it transformed into a very trusty friend.
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I bought a p-45 and hated it for the first 500 rounds. I woke up one day and decided to fire the thing until it melted or broke. It did neither. The more I fired it the better it got. At the end of 250 rounds It was working like a champ. I would not have trusted my life to the piece of shit I bought but it transformed into a very trusty friend. funny how some take more round sto get broken in. My PM9 was tgood to go out of the boxc as was my P380. No doubt more rounds smooths out things to. Glad to see your 45 got going as it should. I sure do loke the PM45 but just can't make myself buy one as I am a 9mm fan and just hate to start looking around for 45 ammo. I can stillbuy 9mm very cheap compared to 45 ammo of anything. but I have a friend who occasionaly shoots with me tha thas the PM45 and it is a real please gun to shoot, IMO. |
| I have the PM9 and absolutely love the thing. The only problem I have had is the slingshot loading. The manual says that for reliable feeding the first round should be chambered via slidelock. Now that is all well and good except that if the thing does fail to go bang I may need to slingshot. Admittedly it usually has trouble with only the first round in a mag. But thanks to someone on this forum I found that with a aggressive slingshot, pushing the gun away as you work the slide back I can get feed with every try. I really am grateful since the little gun absolutely is flawless except for this one thing. Now it is perfect. |
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I have the PM9 and absolutely love the thing. The only problem I have had is the slingshot loading. The manual says that for reliable feeding the first round should be chambered via slidelock. Now that is all well and good except that if the thing does fail to go bang I may need to slingshot. Admittedly it usually has trouble with only the first round in a mag. But thanks to someone on this forum I found that with a aggressive slingshot, pushing the gun away as you work the slide back I can get feed with every try. I really am grateful since the little gun absolutely is flawless except for this one thing. Now it is perfect. do to the small size of the kahr PM9 and it very stout recoil springs, it is more difficult to rack properly, but like u stated. Once u get the hang of how to do it, it is a no brainer. I use the cupped hand over the top fo the slide methond. gives me more strength, and you can rack without having to drop the gun down from line of sight also. still even after 22,000 round sthrough my PM9 if I ride that side back any at all, it will ftf. Using the cupped hand method seems to solve that little issue. I remember the first time I leanre dhow to drive a stick shift car back inthe late 50's. After watching my dad do it with ease, I thought whow, I can't master doing allthose things in sequence and properly. Once learned it was a no grainer. Same thing with racking a slide on a gun. Once learned it is a no brainer. |
| recently bought kahr pm40 for my wife. Tried to talk her out of it, but she had to have it. She does NOT like the recoil, and can not chamber a round herself. (two cuts on fingers). So now im stuck with this pistol. The trigger is horrendous, the takedown design is the stupidest thing i have ever worked on. The plastic reciever has bits and pieces of plastic stringing off of it. The factory extended magazine trys to fall out while you are shooting, without pressing the mag release. I also had some feed issues and accuracy issues, which was probally due to the ammo i was using. I know some people like kahr, and maybe i got a "bad" one, but i will never buy another kahr |
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recently bought kahr pm40 for my wife. Tried to talk her out of it, but she had to have it. She does NOT like the recoil, and can not chamber a round herself. (two cuts on fingers). So now im stuck with this pistol. The trigger is horrendous, the takedown design is the stupidest thing i have ever worked on. The plastic reciever has bits and pieces of plastic stringing off of it. The factory extended magazine trys to fall out while you are shooting, without pressing the mag release. I also had some feed issues and accuracy issues, which was probally due to the ammo i was using. I know some people like kahr, and maybe i got a "bad" one, but i will never buy another kahr basically what your saying is that your wife can't handle a PM40. Makes 100% sense, so hell yes blame the gun because she can't rack it. No doubt if she used the slide lock lever she could load the gun properly. Trigger on her kahr is exactly like all the other kahrs. smooth but looooong, you should have tested that out before you bought it. horrendolus no, just take some shooting to get used to again. your fault for not trying one out to see. again sure blame the gun. Take down design actually pretty simple. If u can't line up the two witness marks, then indeed you need to get another gun. line um up and push the pin out, wow big deal, whats the problem. magazine coming out without hitting the release is not right that is for sure. Probably a bad release button or possably one hitting the release and not knowing it. More than likely a bad release button–– FIXABLE. The polymer frame would smooth out perfectly with proper break in rounds. I doesn't seem like you have put many rounds through it and you have already been judge and jury. You best peddle it and get something you and she can both work. I don't know to many women and alot of men who can shoot the PM40 comfortablly. It is very light and very small for such a hot round. To me that was your first mistake, or should I say hers, but again blame the gun. Accuracy, well more you shoot it the better you get to know the trigger system. I seriously doubt if it is the guns fault there either. Kahrs are not for everyone and definitely not for your wife but lets not blame the gun for things that you should have checked out in advance before such a purchase. Sell it and move on to what works for you..... and her. |
takedown design is pretty lame with the spring that is easily bent. The recoil spring is also a pita, that is seperates from the tube. Yes my wife dosent like the recoil. But that was not MY main complaint. Trigger is very long and not smooth. Has a noticeable "creeking" that has you thinking its about to shoot any minute. Maybe this smooths itself out after 200 rounds? Also a pistol of this price range should not have string of plastic coming off the slides new out of the box. Didn't know it had a "auto release" magazine that trys to slide out after every shot. Once again, maybe i got a bad one.
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takedown design is pretty lame with the spring that is easily bent. The recoil spring is also a pita, that is seperates from the tube. Yes my wife dosent like the recoil. But that was not MY main complaint. Trigger is very long and not smooth. Has a noticeable "creeking" that has you thinking its about to shoot any minute. Maybe this smooths itself out after 200 rounds? Also a pistol of this price range should not have string of plastic coming off the slides new out of the box. Didn't know it had a "auto release" magazine that trys to slide out after every shot. Once again, maybe i got a bad one.I have had my slide off at least 200 times and on the same original slide lock lever spring. It is not easily bent unless u abuse it. I am sure on can bend it but you have to try awfully hard to do it and then u have installed it improperly. The recoil spring is a captve dual spring, so common in small guns. the outter spring is replaceable with ease, most only need to replace the outter after a few thousand rounds. The Inner spring can be left alone. Sure no rocket science in getting that right on the gun either... U stated it was with the extended magazine that gives release issues. Possably a bad magazine. Best you peddle it though, u have lost faith in it, u are IMO nit picking things that #1 you should have checked out before buying, not after the fact. You definitely have not put the 200 rounds that even kahr recommends for proper breakin before "complaining" . Not all guns come out of the box perfect either and if your issues still persisted after the 200 rounds, I have no doubt kahr would make it right with you. Another reason why kahr recommends the 200 round procedcure, in that if there is any "slivers" on the top portion of the frame/grip, the slide will smooth them right out. The polymer portion where the slivers are do not ride on the slide once on the gun but if there is some hang over the slide will smooth them out real quick. It really is not an issue––to most... That PM40 will never be a gun for your wife to shoot comfortably. It just won't, unless she is one very experienced shooter and who understands the weight vs caliber thing to. People tend to think they want a powerful but ultra small and ulrra light weight gun but after getting all they want, they find out there is definitely some draw backs to light and powerful and small.... Not sure one can blame the gun for that. I mean no offense either to your comments. I just think for myself most all of them are very lame at best. The extended magqazine issue just sounds like a bad magazine and one would just be so suprised to find out that more rounds down range seems to take care of alot of little picky things that will dissapear with range time. If not that is what kahr CS is for to.. Good luck on your next purchase, I bet if you list this in the ar15 for sale section, it will be gone in a heart beat.. |
| thank you for your input porsche. Ive just been very frustrated with its performance so far. I tried to talk my wife into something in a smaller caliber, but sometimes you hafta let them have what they want :) She dosent want it anymore, so im trying to figure out what i can use it for. It is a very handy size pistol, would be ideal for cc. Recoil isnt too terible for a gun that light. I will try and be patient and put some more rounds through it in hopes that it smooths out. Its just that i have had better luck with out of the box performance with other pistols. I will contact kahr about the magazine though. |
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I just picked up a Kahr P9 and have to say I'm impressed.
I bought it used off a guy here and he'd already put it through the break in period. I took it out to the range yesterday and fed it all kinds of ammo. It ate up everything I put down the barrel. Slow steady fire, rapid fire, no FTF's or FTE's what so ever. The only self-defense ammo I used was the Hornady critical-defense 115gr. I left the Gold Speer Dot ammo at home and will have to go back for more testing. Damn the luck...lol |
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I just picked up a Kahr P9 and have to say I'm impressed. I bought it used off a guy here and he'd already put it through the break in period. I took it out to the range yesterday and fed it all kinds of ammo. It ate up everything I put down the barrel. Slow steady fire, rapid fire, no FTF's or FTE's what so ever. The only self-defense ammo I used was the Hornady critical-defense 115gr. I left the Gold Speer Dot ammo at home and will have to go back for more testing. Damn the luck...lol don't act so suprised, most all kahrs will do exactly what yours did.. |
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Two PM9's. Both had a couple of issues under 150rds, and both have been solid since that point. The oldest has about 5k on it and the other about 2k. The only thing I have done to them is to change recoils springs every 1k.
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Zero problems with my P9, though the mag issue that fizassist mentioned is troubling. I've shot my PM9 in IDPA a couple times since that post. Each time, I found a loose round in the bottom of my mag carrier when I got home... The act of inserting/removing the mag is enough to pop a round out. |
| I don't shoot my Kahrs very often but I haven't had any FTF issues or problems with my PM9 yet. It's very accurate and I like it more than the K9 because of the weight. But the magazine release location because of it's small size can be a problem, especially if I tense up or lax on proper grip and shooting methods. (I'm a 5'4 woman with small hands but long fingers) |
| Just got a Kahr P40, and my mag was dropping constantly, even w/o me touching it. The problem is from the guns manufactured before without an all steel mag release button. They were just polymer coated steel - call Kahr for a free steel release, free, and installs is seconds (if you can get yours apart, lol). |
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Just got a Kahr P40, and my mag was dropping constantly, even w/o me touching it. The problem is from the guns manufactured before without an all steel mag release button. They were just polymer coated steel - call Kahr for a free steel release, free, and installs is seconds (if you can get yours apart, lol). not quirte right on that they were not polymer coated steel. they were all polymer with a steel insert that made contact with the magazines. They basically work perfect but what yours is doing is someting that the replacement all steel versions seemed to eliminate. MNot a hard thing to replace that mag release either. One willneed a pair of long nose needle nose pliers and the rest is a breeze. There are treads with photos that will walk one through it with ease.... |
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The early ones (.45ACP) would crack frames, even with low round counts. It is hard to live down a bad rap. This shouldn't be too hard for you to find on the intarwebz. It is also, why I don't own one.  I have read alot of kahr threads and yoursis the first reporting issues with cracked frames in the 45's. Can u relate me to some of these posts. Not doubting u but I tend to follow kahr threads and I must have missed all those 45's with cracking frames...Being u made the comment, u should be able to put me on the many threads stating that, along with maybe some good photos.. thank you. porsche |
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Two PM9's. Both had a couple of issues under 150rds, and both have been solid since that point. The oldest has about 5k on it and the other about 2k. The only thing I have done to them is to change recoils springs every 1k. Just bought a P380 and expect it will be the same after a break in. Time will tell. 50 rounds under what kahr even recommends for good break in. My PM9 ran good out of the box and today has 25,000+ rounds through it and has never let me down. replace recoil springs occassionally and keep it lubed lightly and to me the best ccw gun I have ever carried and owned. I like to shoot it better than my G19, and even my K9 kahr, both excellent handguns but to big for personal carry. Mine is definitely not ammo sensitve either. It will shoot any brand and any bullet weight made. To me in readng many hundreds of kahr posts, most people get excited if it hic-cups in the first 200 rounds. Kahrs like many guns need those rounds down range to mate everything up and usually by 200 rounds it is as smooth as glass to. Para told me with my carry 9 that I needed 500 rounds before calling them with any issues. I felt that was alot of ammo but I gave them the benefit of the doubt. My Para carry 9 smoothed out alot but still was an un reliable semi auto. 3 trips back to the mothership to get it right and then I sold it.. |
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The early ones (.45ACP) would crack frames, even with low round counts. It is hard to live down a bad rap. This shouldn't be too hard for you to find on the intarwebz. It is also, why I don't own one. I have read alot of kahr threads and yoursis the first reporting issues with cracked frames in the 45's. Can u relate me to some of these posts. Not doubting u but I tend to follow kahr threads and I must have missed all those 45's with cracking frames...Being u made the comment, u should be able to put me on the many threads stating that, along with maybe some good photos.. thank you. porsche I was looking at them very hard when the first came out. There were several early reports of cracked frames with round counts around 500-1000. I would own one now if this wasn't happening at that time. I don't usually troll around this board and spew bullshit. Page 1 of google. Click and scroll down to review 3: link It won't be too hard for you to find more........ |
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The early ones (.45ACP) would crack frames, even with low round counts. It is hard to live down a bad rap. This shouldn't be too hard for you to find on the intarwebz. It is also, why I don't own one. I have read alot of kahr threads and yoursis the first reporting issues with cracked frames in the 45's. Can u relate me to some of these posts. Not doubting u but I tend to follow kahr threads and I must have missed all those 45's with cracking frames...Being u made the comment, u should be able to put me on the many threads stating that, along with maybe some good photos.. thank you. porsche I was looking at them very hard when the first came out. There were several early reports of cracked frames with round counts around 500-1000. I would own one now if this wasn't happening at that time. I don't usually troll around this board and spew bullshit. Page 1 of google. Click and scroll down to review 3: link It won't be too hard for you to find more........ wow, one bad pm45 frame and u shy away from the gun. Kahr did totally take care of this fella also and his report back was he loved the gun. It didn't seem to make him shy of owning a kahr. Shit happens... |
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The early ones (.45ACP) would crack frames, even with low round counts. It is hard to live down a bad rap. This shouldn't be too hard for you to find on the intarwebz. It is also, why I don't own one. I have read alot of kahr threads and yoursis the first reporting issues with cracked frames in the 45's. Can u relate me to some of these posts. Not doubting u but I tend to follow kahr threads and I must have missed all those 45's with cracking frames...Being u made the comment, u should be able to put me on the many threads stating that, along with maybe some good photos.. thank you. porsche I was looking at them very hard when the first came out. There were several early reports of cracked frames with round counts around 500-1000. I would own one now if this wasn't happening at that time. I don't usually troll around this board and spew bullshit. Page 1 of google. Click and scroll down to review 3: link It won't be too hard for you to find more........ wow, one bad pm45 frame and u shy away from the gun. Kahr did totally take care of this fella also and his report back was he loved the gun. It didn't seem to make him shy of owning a kahr. Shit happens... I got a bad PM45 too. Its first trip to Kahr was because it would not hit the broad side of a barn at 5 yards. Got it back and it shot fine until the side panels on the frame blew apart while shooting. The gun basically KB right there in the shooting range while shooting white box winchester. After that I sent it back to Kahr and immediately traded it in. A person should not pay $650 for a pistol that has to be sent back to the manufacturer twice to get it to run right. I am now soured to the Kahr name since this was my second Kahr that required two trips back to the manufacturer. (first was a CW45). I hate that too. I really like the size of that PM45. I just cant trust them. However, I do have a friend that owns a PM45 that only required 1 trip back to Kahr to fix before it fired right and hasn't missed a beat since. Apparently after you spend about $75.00 on ammo and $75.00 on shipping for the return trips to Kahr, you will then have a $650.00 pistol that works. |
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My PM9 has been great; zero malfunctions with any ammo I"ve shot including during the "break-in"(WWB and Federal HST +p 124gr.)
My buddies failed to feed one round of Federal HST std 124gr immediately after shooting 200 rounds of blazer. Three more magazines all fed fine. I did notice something interesting yesterday though shooting my friends PM9. If you remove the magazine with one in the chamber and fire the pistol it will not properly eject and jams on the empty case. I need to try this on mine to see if it does it also. Anyone else ever try that and experience the same problem? |