Posted: 8/16/2015 11:10:51 AM EDT
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I have a CW9 that I really like. I'm wanting a smaller cousing for pocket carry.
On paper the CM and PM 9's are almost identical, except of course the PM cost almost twice as much. What makes the premium series worth it over the value series. "better" trigger ? better machining? why would I choose one over the other IF the price were the same ? |
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More searching found this o a Kahr page
Kahr Premium pistols have match grade polygonal rifled Walther Lothar barrels which produce unparalleled accuracy and increased muzzle velocity. Kahr premium slides are machined with more design detailing and are machined from one of the highest grades of stainless steel available for firearms. Small parts like the slide stop are machined from bar stock and many of the small internal components are plated with a high tech coating for easier cleaning and longer wear. All these features more than explains the price difference between our Premium pistols and Value pistols at the retail counter.
Our new Gen2 Premium series pistols have increased the value added on our Premium pistols to an even higher level. The tolerances are tightened, magazine catch release is reversible, serrations are machined in the front of slide, the trigger stroke has been shortened allowing for quicker firing rates with an integrated trigger safety, an accessory rail has been added on the frame and TruGlo® night sights on our Gen2 Premium pistols. In addition we are adding a 5 inch barrel and a 6 inch barrel with an integrated compensator to our TP Gen2 line. The 5 inch and 6 inch pistols will be optics ready featuring a Leupold® DeltaPoint™ red-dot sight. These additional features make the Kahr Gen2 Premium pistols unrivaled in accuracy among concealed carry handguns. |
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Here's Kahr explanation on the differences.
Among others, the CM has a plastic front sight that's pinned in and standard front sights can't be used, you get only one magazine to the PM's three, etc. http://www.kahr.com/cm-series.asp#comparison |
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I'm looking for a nice reliable belly gun to take with me on my cross country driving jaunts myself. I don't want a target pistol and it damned well better be a lot smaller than my Glock 23 .40 . I currently have a Walther PPKS in .22. Tiny but underpowered and not all that light either. I put a Wolf spring kit in it and Wow, it shoots like a target pistol. 2" barrel will put everything inside a pie plate at 50'. I let my buddy qualify with it and he couldn't believe it himself. Still, it just doesn't fill the bill anymore really.
For me and most folks it's all about the trigger. Not necessarily as light as my Glock 23 either. When I was on the job it was great with me behind it. Once the agency issued everybody Glock 17's I wasn't so fond of being in front of it with Barney Fife behind the booger hook while I was pulling some puke out of a car . I love that Glock trigger just not so enamored with it and no safety in belly gun situations. That's what swings me towards the CM 9. Supposedly smooth and crisp but not as light as the Glocks. I have yet to lay my hands on one to get the feel yet though.. So are you guys saying the trigger pull is identical or nearly so between the premium and standard model? What else are the + and - of the CM versus say the Kel Tech and baby Glock? |
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The PM line IMO is not worth the extra.
We picked up a PM9 years back for my wife (which cost more than a full size Glock for comparison). After shooting the heck out of it I liked it enough to go looking for my own, which was when I discovered the less expensive CM9 version. Nearly $200 cheaper, you bet I bought that version. We've since shot the heck out of both and the only place the PM9 stands out is in a higher resale value...except that near nobody is going to pay $450-550 for a used PM9 when they can pick up a new Shield or G43. The fancier rollmarking, different front sight, different slide release, and barrel make absolutely no difference. Save yourself $200 and spend it on as many extra magazines as you want. |
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When I bought my PM9 in 2011, no Premium model at that time, the CM9 was not yet available.
If it had been...I would have still gone with the PM9 after seeing the CM9 in person. My PM9 suffered the usual Kahr deficiencies and had to go back to Kahr twice to get it to run 100%. Today, I wouldn't buy either or any other Kahr pistol. My PM9 resides in my safe and hasn't seen the light of day in over a year! I keep it to remind myself of the mistake I made. 
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I've had a few small 9mm's: LC9s, Glock 43, CM9. The CM9 is the only one I have kept. Smaller than the others, and in my experience just as reliable. I use it for pocket carry so I wanted the smallest 9mm while still being reliable. Anything bigger and I will just carry my G26 or G19 IWB. I have no real reason to wish I had gone with a PM9 over the CM9. The CM9 feels like a quality piece without even considering the $300 price tag. |
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When I bought my PM9 in 2011, no Premium model at that time, the CM9 was not yet available. If it had been...I would have still gone with the PM9 after seeing the CM9 in person. My PM9 suffered the usual Kahr deficiencies and had to go back to Kahr twice to get it to run 100%. Today, I wouldn't buy either or any other Kahr pistol. My PM9 resides in my safe and hasn't seen the light of day in over a year! I keep it to remind myself of the mistake I made. Quoted:
When I bought my PM9 in 2011, no Premium model at that time, the CM9 was not yet available. If it had been...I would have still gone with the PM9 after seeing the CM9 in person. My PM9 suffered the usual Kahr deficiencies and had to go back to Kahr twice to get it to run 100%. Today, I wouldn't buy either or any other Kahr pistol. My PM9 resides in my safe and hasn't seen the light of day in over a year! I keep it to remind myself of the mistake I made. Seems, anecdotally, that the PM9 has more reported issues than the CM9. My CM9 has run like a champ in hundreds of rounds, including 147gr Gold Dots, running 2 6-round mags and 1 7-round mag. And, it sling-shots too. At the $339 LNIB OTD I paid (with 3 mags) can't beat it for a small 9mm IMO. Quoted:
Way I see, it's a carry gun, only has to be reliable, doesn't need all the bells and whistles. The CM9 has served me well. My thoughts exactly. It's not meant to be a BBQ gun. |
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Seems, anecdotally, that the PM9 has more reported issues than the CM9. My CM9 has run like a champ in hundreds of rounds, including 147gr Gold Dots, running 2 6-round mags and 1 7-round mag. And, it sling-shots too. At the $339 LNIB OTD I paid (with 3 mags) can't beat it for a small 9mm IMO. I will have to take your word on it. Maybe Kahr finally got it right? I gave up following the reported problems with each a long time ago due to a lack of interest. I do seem to recall that it was the CM9 that generated the term "rampectomy" due to the number of magazine followers that were broken. My PM9 did this also until it was modified by Kahr. Also, I seem to recall many CM9 owners losing their pinned in FS which can't happen with the dovetail FS of the PM9. As far as a single stack small 9mm, I just purchased a Glock 43. It didn't require a 200 rd. break in period mandated by the manufacturer. It doesn't break followers. It hasn't had to go back to Glock to get it right. It just runs 100% right out of the box with any round that I put through it... 
G43 slightly larger than the PM9? Yes but I don't pocket carry so for me that's a non-issue. They both feel the same IWB carry. |
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I will have to take your word on it. Maybe Kahr finally got it right? I gave up following the reported problems with each a long time ago due to a lack of interest. I do seem to recall that it was the CM9 that generated the term "rampectomy" due to the number of magazine followers that were broken. My PM9 did this also until it was modified by Kahr. Also, I seem to recall many CM9 owners losing their pinned in FS which can't happen with the dovetail FS of the PM9. As far as a single stack small 9mm, I just purchased a Glock 43. It didn't require a 200 rd. break in period mandated by the manufacturer. It doesn't break followers. It hasn't had to go back to Glock to get it right. It just runs 100% right out of the box with any round that I put through it...
G43 slightly larger than the PM9? Yes but I don't pocket carry so for me that's a non-issue. They both feel the same IWB carry. Quoted:
Seems, anecdotally, that the PM9 has more reported issues than the CM9. My CM9 has run like a champ in hundreds of rounds, including 147gr Gold Dots, running 2 6-round mags and 1 7-round mag. And, it sling-shots too. At the $339 LNIB OTD I paid (with 3 mags) can't beat it for a small 9mm IMO. I will have to take your word on it. Maybe Kahr finally got it right? I gave up following the reported problems with each a long time ago due to a lack of interest. I do seem to recall that it was the CM9 that generated the term "rampectomy" due to the number of magazine followers that were broken. My PM9 did this also until it was modified by Kahr. Also, I seem to recall many CM9 owners losing their pinned in FS which can't happen with the dovetail FS of the PM9. As far as a single stack small 9mm, I just purchased a Glock 43. It didn't require a 200 rd. break in period mandated by the manufacturer. It doesn't break followers. It hasn't had to go back to Glock to get it right. It just runs 100% right out of the box with any round that I put through it...
G43 slightly larger than the PM9? Yes but I don't pocket carry so for me that's a non-issue. They both feel the same IWB carry. You are happy with your G43, which is all that really matters. Of course, human nature is to fault more than praise so we hear 1% about the 99% that work and 99% about the 1% that don't. |