Posted: 9/25/2013 6:44:26 AM EDT
| Any other difference besides mag cap, .3" barrel? |
| The subcompacts are a lot thicker and top heavy. The Sub Compact slide is actually thicker than the Service or Tactical slide and almost as heavy. I had 2 of the subcompact 9s, 1 Tactical 9 and 1 service 9, but currently own the XDS 45 only. There is a big difference between the two size wise, plus they have completely different internals. As far the recall, I think it was limited to 1-2 reports max when people like myself had thousands of rounds through them with zero malfunctions. It's really just to make sure things stay safe for the owners of both the XDS and Springfield Armory. Honestly, even though many manufactures have had recalls and problems, the XDS recall has people freaking out and bad mouthing the design for no reason. |
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Quoted: The subcompacts are a lot thicker and top heavy. The Sub Compact slide is actually thicker than the Service or Tactical slide and almost as heavy. I had 2 of the subcompact 9s, 1 Tactical 9 and 1 service 9, but currently own the XDS 45 only. There is a big difference between the two size wise, plus they have completely different internals. As far the recall, I think it was limited to 1-2 reports max when people like myself had thousands of rounds through them with zero malfunctions. It's really just to make sure things stay safe for the owners of both the XDS and Springfield Armory. Honestly, even though many manufactures have had recalls and problems, the XDS recall has people freaking out and bad mouthing the design for no reason. While I agree the design is fine in concept, there were many more reports than 1 or 2... I'm even fairly certain I know what the problem is, just not how they plan to fix it. Even Springfield isn't certain of the fix yet; latest news says a repair is in final testing... The apparent problem is the sear isn't resetting correctly if the grip safety isn't depressed. Then when the slide slams home, since the firing pin is floating & since the firing pin is what resets the trigger, there are numerous reports of slam fires & run-offs. I can duplicate the issue on mine if I try, but it doesn't happen during the course of a remotely normal loading procedure. I'm sure this is why so many people haven't had any issue; the problem only arises under specific circumstances. |
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While I agree the design is fine in concept, there were many more reports than 1 or 2... I'm even fairly certain I know what the problem is, just not how they plan to fix it. Even Springfield isn't certain of the fix yet; latest news says a repair is in final testing... The apparent problem is the sear isn't resetting correctly if the grip safety isn't depressed. Then when the slide slams home, since the firing pin is floating & since the firing pin is what resets the trigger, there are numerous reports of slam fires & run-offs. I can duplicate the issue on mine if I try, but it doesn't happen during the course of a remotely normal loading procedure. I'm sure this is why so many people haven't had any issue; the problem only arises under specific circumstances. Quoted:
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The subcompacts are a lot thicker and top heavy. The Sub Compact slide is actually thicker than the Service or Tactical slide and almost as heavy. I had 2 of the subcompact 9s, 1 Tactical 9 and 1 service 9, but currently own the XDS 45 only. There is a big difference between the two size wise, plus they have completely different internals. As far the recall, I think it was limited to 1-2 reports max when people like myself had thousands of rounds through them with zero malfunctions. It's really just to make sure things stay safe for the owners of both the XDS and Springfield Armory. Honestly, even though many manufactures have had recalls and problems, the XDS recall has people freaking out and bad mouthing the design for no reason. While I agree the design is fine in concept, there were many more reports than 1 or 2... I'm even fairly certain I know what the problem is, just not how they plan to fix it. Even Springfield isn't certain of the fix yet; latest news says a repair is in final testing... The apparent problem is the sear isn't resetting correctly if the grip safety isn't depressed. Then when the slide slams home, since the firing pin is floating & since the firing pin is what resets the trigger, there are numerous reports of slam fires & run-offs. I can duplicate the issue on mine if I try, but it doesn't happen during the course of a remotely normal loading procedure. I'm sure this is why so many people haven't had any issue; the problem only arises under specific circumstances. Interesting, I'm going to try to reproduce the issue with mine. |
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Quoted: Interesting, I'm going to try to reproduce the issue with mine. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The subcompacts are a lot thicker and top heavy. The Sub Compact slide is actually thicker than the Service or Tactical slide and almost as heavy. I had 2 of the subcompact 9s, 1 Tactical 9 and 1 service 9, but currently own the XDS 45 only. There is a big difference between the two size wise, plus they have completely different internals. As far the recall, I think it was limited to 1-2 reports max when people like myself had thousands of rounds through them with zero malfunctions. It's really just to make sure things stay safe for the owners of both the XDS and Springfield Armory. Honestly, even though many manufactures have had recalls and problems, the XDS recall has people freaking out and bad mouthing the design for no reason. While I agree the design is fine in concept, there were many more reports than 1 or 2... I'm even fairly certain I know what the problem is, just not how they plan to fix it. Even Springfield isn't certain of the fix yet; latest news says a repair is in final testing... The apparent problem is the sear isn't resetting correctly if the grip safety isn't depressed. Then when the slide slams home, since the firing pin is floating & since the firing pin is what resets the trigger, there are numerous reports of slam fires & run-offs. I can duplicate the issue on mine if I try, but it doesn't happen during the course of a remotely normal loading procedure. I'm sure this is why so many people haven't had any issue; the problem only arises under specific circumstances. Interesting, I'm going to try to reproduce the issue with mine. Boom, if you have the slide Off the frame and look on the right side, rear, in the rail slot you'll see a button that gets depressed by the slide as it closes. That button is what is supposed to disengage and reset the sear. Press it while depressing the grip safety and watch the sear spring up high. Now press the sear back down till it latches, now press the reset again while NOT depressing the grip safety and watch the sear barely move. |
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While I agree the design is fine in concept, there were many more reports than 1 or 2... I'm even fairly certain I know what the problem is, just not how they plan to fix it. Even Springfield isn't certain of the fix yet; latest news says a repair is in final testing... The apparent problem is the sear isn't resetting correctly if the grip safety isn't depressed. Then when the slide slams home, since the firing pin is floating & since the firing pin is what resets the trigger, there are numerous reports of slam fires & run-offs. I can duplicate the issue on mine if I try, but it doesn't happen during the course of a remotely normal loading procedure. I'm sure this is why so many people haven't had any issue; the problem only arises under specific circumstances. Quoted:
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The subcompacts are a lot thicker and top heavy. The Sub Compact slide is actually thicker than the Service or Tactical slide and almost as heavy. I had 2 of the subcompact 9s, 1 Tactical 9 and 1 service 9, but currently own the XDS 45 only. There is a big difference between the two size wise, plus they have completely different internals. As far the recall, I think it was limited to 1-2 reports max when people like myself had thousands of rounds through them with zero malfunctions. It's really just to make sure things stay safe for the owners of both the XDS and Springfield Armory. Honestly, even though many manufactures have had recalls and problems, the XDS recall has people freaking out and bad mouthing the design for no reason. While I agree the design is fine in concept, there were many more reports than 1 or 2... I'm even fairly certain I know what the problem is, just not how they plan to fix it. Even Springfield isn't certain of the fix yet; latest news says a repair is in final testing... The apparent problem is the sear isn't resetting correctly if the grip safety isn't depressed. Then when the slide slams home, since the firing pin is floating & since the firing pin is what resets the trigger, there are numerous reports of slam fires & run-offs. I can duplicate the issue on mine if I try, but it doesn't happen during the course of a remotely normal loading procedure. I'm sure this is why so many people haven't had any issue; the problem only arises under specific circumstances. I only read one single report of the problem when the recall happened, then all of a sudden a few claims where made from others that it happened to them ( some just joined forums to say this) after the fact. I'm not sure which where true and it really was only 1-2 reports that initiated the recall. |