Posted: 6/15/2010 4:45:06 PM EDT
OK I have a Tauras 415 41 mag pistol. Thanks for all of the condolences
Problem: Firing single action ( ie pulling hammer back to fire) no problem. When I fired double action last week seemed to be a squib load and bullet did not exit barrel ( 2 1/2 inch barrel). Did not realize what happened fired the next round double action and the gun locked up due to a second bullet being stuck in barrel.  Ok I am lucky it did not blow up in my hand. Had a gunsmith unlock/clear the barrel. He informed me the it was not safe to shoot barrel may be budgled.
So I made a .400 size guage on my lathe and checked the barrel for any extra space checked ok. Now I went to the rrange today and fired 3 rounds single action no problem. 
So I went to fire the 4 round double action and did not recoil as normal opened the action and bullet is stuck in barrel just past forcing cone and into rifling. 
Timimg of pistol?? Anyone experience this kinda problem?? Shoots fine single action. Double action this has happened 2 times now. I normally shoot this gun single action so do not know if this is a new problem 
Help with any experience or ideas.
Thanks––it is a Taurus
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Yes that is it very light plus a lot of power.
My first thought was ammo I reload my own also have a S&W 657 with 7 inch barrel use the same loads. As stated fired 3 rounds single action no problem - But double action problem. After the first time I thought I missed a powder charge in a round went back and checked all loads by weighing. No missed charges. I am going to take it to a gunsmith the works on revolvers - S&W. I hope he will look at the Taurus. Don't want to incur shipping cost to Taurus would rather give the cash to a local expert. 
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Used brass cleaned and resized. 1 thing I had to do with this batch of reloads was re-crimp because the brass was still a little to open after seating the bullets. 210 grain bullet Honaday HP with H-110 powder 15 grains. Winchester large pistol primers. Seems to work fine in my S&W 657
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Okay gunsmith says it is my loads.
As stated I am using H110 powder loaded at 15 grains due to the small size of this pistol I under loaded by approx 15%. Book calls for 18.5 grains of powder on the low side - plus with the H110 book calls for magnum primers I am using WLP primers not magnums. So he (gunsmith) said I was not igniting the powder. Lucky me or the gun would have blown up .
Lesson learned 
Time to pull some bullets 
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Tell us more about your loads. Did you load new brass? If so did you resize it prior to loading it? What primer are you using? What powder and charge weight? What bullet? Do you have a chronograph? If so, do you have velocities from both handguns? Hard to chrony if the bullet does not leave the barrel!
I would say its the ammo also. If you are stopping a bullet inside the barrel on a full power load the pressure has to go somewhere... usually a kaboom! If you stacked two full power bullets in the same barrel you would have a kaboom. Bad powder? Old? Wet? |
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Okay gunsmith says it is my loads. As stated I am using H110 powder loaded at 15 grains due to the small size of this pistol I under loaded by approx 15%. Book calls for 18.5 grains of powder on the low side - plus with the H110 book calls for magnum primers I am using WLP primers not magnums. So he (gunsmith) said I was not igniting the powder. Lucky me or the gun would have blown up .
Lesson learned
Time to pull some bullets That makes sense. H110 is a very touchy powder. As you learned, you cannot go below the minimums on this powder. |
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Okay gunsmith says it is my loads. As stated I am using H110 powder loaded at 15 grains due to the small size of this pistol I under loaded by approx 15%. Book calls for 18.5 grains of powder on the low side - plus with the H110 book calls for magnum primers I am using WLP primers not magnums. So he (gunsmith) said I was not igniting the powder. Lucky me or the gun would have blown up .
Lesson learned
Time to pull some bullets One last item I noticed today I have Winchester WLP primers which are good for Magnum rounds. But I bought some CCI LP 300 and used these for the .41 Magnum loads mixed with the WLP primers. The bullet that did not light off the powder had a CCI primer not for Magnum use. I bought the CCI primers because that is all I could get - ( I blame this on Obama) One Big Ass Mistake America That makes sense. H110 is a very touchy powder. As you learned, you cannot go below the minimums on this powder. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Okay gunsmith says it is my loads. As stated I am using H110 powder loaded at 15 grains due to the small size of this pistol I under loaded by approx 15%. Book calls for 18.5 grains of powder on the low side - plus with the H110 book calls for magnum primers I am using WLP primers not magnums. So he (gunsmith) said I was not igniting the powder. Lucky me or the gun would have blown up .Lesson learned Time to pull some bullets That makes sense. H110 is a very touchy powder. As you learned, you cannot go below the minimums on this powder. The slow burning powders can't be reduced more than 1-2% at least in large cases like 41 mag, after that you are on your own |
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Tell us more about your loads. Did you load new brass? If so did you resize it prior to loading it? What primer are you using? What powder and charge weight? What bullet? Do you have a chronograph? If so, do you have velocities from both handguns? Hard to chrony if the bullet does not leave the barrel!
I would say its the ammo also. If you are stopping a bullet inside the barrel on a full power load the pressure has to go somewhere... usually a kaboom! If you stacked two full power bullets in the same barrel you would have a kaboom. Bad powder? Old? Wet? He said when he fired single action everthing worked fine. |
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Used brass cleaned and resized. 1 thing I had to do with this batch of reloads was re-crimp because the brass was still a little to open after seating the bullets. 210 grain bullet Honaday HP with H-110 powder 15 grains. Winchester large pistol primers. Seems to work fine in my S&W 657
I still suspect the gun as the loads are pretty standard even kinda underpowered. Actually Winchester std. large pistol primers work fine for magnum loads. It's only recently that Winchester added a "magnum" large pistol primer to their line-up. H-110 should never be down loaded..........ever. People have blown up firearms that way. That particular powder is meant for full house - full power loads. I would try some other powder, I've never got good results with H-110. BTW - H-110 and WW-296 are the exact same powder with a different label. So skip that one too. I use IMR-4227 and it's really slow too, however it seems to have better manners than H-110/WW-296 when using slightly below starting charges. |
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Yes the WLP primers are for standard and Magnum loads.
As I went through loads I discover some loads I was using the CCI300 primers which are not for magnums. About 30 of 100 loads I used the CCI primers. When I refired the same gun using the loads with 5 rounds CCI primers.4 of them single action worked fine. On the 5 round I went double action and bullet got stuck in barrel did not ignite the powder. I am not sure why this only happen in double action but I have culled the CCI primed rounds out of my stock. Will test again with 15 grs on H-110 and the WLP primers which I have already on hand. I do not use CCI primers normally but with the shortage of supplies back in December that is all I could get. It must be Obama's fault.
But noted from post about the H110 powder that I am on the edge of disaster
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