Posted: 3/24/2014 2:58:42 AM EDT
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A recent gun rag, had an aritcle on these. Revolvers designed to work with rimless ammunition, 9mm and 40. I know its kind of a step in the wrong direction to with these calibers to go to a revolver and limited to 6 rounds, but I found the concept interesting. Anyone have one of these? Do they work, or just a gimick? Any information ong the Pitbull, or Charter arms in general?
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Well, 9mm is a decent step up from even 38 +P so it'd be enough for SD uses. I have never used one but the spring loaded extractor tab makes me a bit hesitant. Pending a thorough testing with it I think it's a good idea as 9mm & 40 S&W have some really top notch defensive loads, I think 147 HST/Gold Dot ammo would go well with a snubby. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Interesting concept for someone who just wants to carry a 9mm I suppose, but 1) a 38 Special +P loaded with a 158 gr. SWCHP @ 1050 - 1100 fps it seems to me hold quite an advantage over a 9mm's 147 gr @ roughly the same velocity and 2) you're dealing with yet another mechanical failure possibilty with the rimless extractor mechanism as opposed to extracting 38 Sp cases with their nice big rims.
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| The concept of revolvers using rimless ammo has been floating around for years. Smith and Ruger have both made guns as has Taurus. Charter is just the latest to jump on the bandwagon. Its one of those ideas a lot of people think is the next great thing but all previous efforts have fizzled in the marketplace. Charter will find out the samething. There is no compelling reason to go down that path. It's answer is search of a question. |
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Interesting concept for someone who just wants to carry a 9mm I suppose, but 1) a 38 Special +P loaded with a 158 gr. SWCHP @ 1050 - 1100 fps it seems to me hold quite an advantage over a 9mm's 147 gr @ roughly the same velocity and 2) you're dealing with yet another mechanical failure possibilty with the rimless extractor mechanism as opposed to extracting 38 Sp cases with their nice big rims. But, to each his own! This is true, I was comparing similar weight bullets and the 38 goes heavier with no penalty. I had middle weight (124,125 gr) in my head. I don't think anyone would say the standby 158 lead SWCHP at ~1000 fps is inadequate. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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The Charter arms Pitbull in the 9/40 uses a larger frame than the under cover and S&W J frame. Since 9 MM barrel length includes the chamber in Auto pistols the 9 MM and 40 produce very good velocity out of a 1.8 to 2.5 inch revolver barrels. A S&W 940 J frame will have the same velocity as a 3.5" 3913 with the same ammo.
Some people like the half moon and moon clips for rimless revolver because of the speedy reload. The rimless revolver is a viable option for people who want to standardize on one caliber. The 1917 Colt and S&W 45 ACP revolvers of WW I were viable guns for non combat units since there was a shortage of 1911's. The Model 25 and 625 45 ACP revolvers don't sit on the shelves long in my area. These 45 ACP revolvers have a following. I like the size of the S&W 940 9 MM Centurion over the Charter Arms Bulldog but the CH would be smaller than the S&W 3" model 547 9 MM. Taurus makes a 905 model which is a 9 MM revolver the same size as the model 85 2" 38 Spl which uses moon clips plus a version in 40 S&W (model 405 Taurus). I personally like the 9 MM cartridge better out of a 2" revolver than the 38 special. You get up to the 4" barrel the 38 special starts to appeal to me. Some people just don't want a small 9 MM semi auto and for them the rimless revolver is an option. If you watch the price of Ruger Speed Six 9MM revolvers and the S&W revolvers you'll see they fetch premium prices. |
| In a small LW revolver, I wunder if there is a problem with bullets jumping out? Auto ammo typically isn't crimped as well as revolver ammo and I know I have to shoot a fewselect loads from my bulldog because with the wrong ammo, by the 3rd round the bullets are coming out the front of the cylinder and jamming it. |
| I recently acquired a CA Bulldog in .44 Special. At 21 oz., if EVER there were revolver where bullet were prone to come out of the case, it would have to be it. Reoil with a 260 gr. SWC is something not soon to be forgotten. But using the same roll crimp I use in my other .44'ss, I;ve yet to have a bullet come unseated. |
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I had a Pitbull in .40 for a while. It did not like lead bullets. Lead would build up in the front of the cylinder till it would bind. Jacketed or plated bullets were no problem. Sights were perfectly regulated with 180 gr. loads.
Nothing wrong with it. But I traded it in on a Glock 27. I liked 9 rounds in a smaller package. Prolly blasphemy in the revolver forum. |
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As mentioned the Pitbull is made on CA larger Bulldog frame and listed at 20oz with a 2.2" bbl. I've got a early 80s vintage .44 Spl 3", 21 oz that I carry as woods roaming pistol. Only factory ammo it sees is some older Winchester STHP or Federal 200 LSWCHP. Normally its diet is 240 gr LSWC homecast or Speer Shotcapsules that I reload. DIL has a CA 12oz Pink Lady in .38 SPL. Neither one has had any issues. My normal pocket pistol is a Smith 442 Pro in .38 SPL that weighs 15ozs. That's about the lightest revolver I'll shoot daily.
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