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I have divested myself of all Rugers except the few .22s I have left, and really don't think much of Ruger as a company. I have always viewed the guns as over built, but crude as hell guns that really did nothing for me. People will see this as just another Glock clone. I have those out the ass, as well as better guns, but still pre ordered one of these. I can see the potential of this type of gun, being a chassis gun as well as having a slide cut for multiple optic choices. I have spent way more money on worse shit than this. I think for 399, Ruger will do well with this. Once these get into people's hands and real people start talking about them, I think they will sell well. |
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Originally Posted By stjohn45: One thing about this platform is the ability to change grip frames. Just for the modification/stippling crowd. That way if you screw one up or just like different ones, $39 a pop for a new lower grip to modify does sound like fun. And these should be easy to make on a 3D printer. I would use Glock factory mags IMHO. Once the 3-D printing gets going for these, you'll be able to 3D print a grip frame for any kind of mag - factory Beretta 92 mags, PX4 mags, SIG P226 mags, SIG P250/320 mags, integral weapon lights, CZ 75 mags, Canik mags, XD mags, S&W M&P mags, M&P Shield mags, SD mags... |
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So far the only negative I see is the goofy rail mount. I may buy one. No particular role it would serve me though. |
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Originally Posted By J-D1911: I have divested myself of all Rugers except the few .22s I have left, and really don't think much of Ruger as a company. I have always viewed the guns as over built, but crude as hell guns that really did nothing for me. People will see this as just another Glock clone. I have those out the ass, as well as better guns, but still pre ordered one of these. I can see the potential of this type of gun, being a chassis gun as well as having a slide cut for multiple optic choices. I have spent way more money on worse shit than this. I think for 399, Ruger will do well with this. Once these get into people's hands and real people start talking about them, I think they will sell well. Ruger has made some great guns in the past. |
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: I wonder if Ruger will still blue the slide and small parts? That’s all the world needs is a Glock that rusts. I have very briefly owner 3 ruger products, one was swapped and bought back and one was completely fucked. It looks cool, but I just can't fathom a modern Ruger that works. |
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Yep. Hardcore Glock fans will see this as a cheap knockoff no matter how well it might be executed. What's cool about modularity is you can use it or not. There's no obligation to change stuff if you don't want to. I’m not even a hardcore Glock fan and I think it’s dumb. Last one I bought was a gen 1 17 lipsey’s reissue on sale at Academy for 300 something bucks. So price isn’t even a big factor. |
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: I enjoy my Security Six series guns, along with my Minis, and my P90. Plus my Vaqueros, Single Sixes, 10/22s, M77s, GP100s, etc... Ruger has made some great guns in the past. For me it was mostly an accuracy thing. I used to have a set of the full size P series 85, 89, and 90 guns and while they were reliable to a fault, they were just MOBarn guns. Even rested, we are talking 5 or 6 inch groups at 25 yards. My Redhawk was the same way, though marginally better. The last new Ruger I bought was an M77 in 308 and couldn't get it to print under 3 moa, even with my match loads for my M1a. That was the last straw for me. I kept my .22/45, MKII, and MKIII and unloaded the rest. I do kind of wish I would have picked up a Bear cat though. |
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Originally Posted By J-D1911: For me it was mostly an accuracy thing. I used to have a set of the full size P series 85, 89, and 90 guns and while they were reliable to a fault, they were just MOBarn guns. Even rested, we are talking 5 or 6 inch groups at 25 yards. My Redhawk was the same way, though marginally better. The last new Ruger I bought was an M77 in 308 and couldn't get it to print under 3 moa, even with my match loads for my M1a. That was the last straw for me. I kept my .22/45, MKII, and MKIII and unloaded the rest. I do kind of wish I would have picked up a Bear cat though. One of my granddaughters just got the Bearcat (Lippy's special with adj sites) I gave my wife. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Once the 3-D printing gets going for these, you'll be able to 3D print a grip frame for any kind of mag - factory Beretta 92 mags, PX4 mags, SIG P226 mags, SIG P250/320 mags, integral weapon lights, CZ 75 mags, Canik mags, XD mags, S&W M&P mags, M&P Shield mags, SD mags... |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: I also thought of using the FCU for printed grips and frames, but one thing is that the plastic wall around the FCU cage in the grip area is super thin, only about 1mm. Could still be done, but you'd have to consider beefing up that area. Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By backbencher: Once the 3-D printing gets going for these, you'll be able to 3D print a grip frame for any kind of mag - factory Beretta 92 mags, PX4 mags, SIG P226 mags, SIG P250/320 mags, integral weapon lights, CZ 75 mags, Canik mags, XD mags, S&W M&P mags, M&P Shield mags, SD mags... I also thought of using the FCU for printed grips and frames, but one thing is that the plastic wall around the FCU cage in the grip area is super thin, only about 1mm. Could still be done, but you'd have to consider beefing up that area. So beef it up? |
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Originally Posted By Princeton: Just like Ruger making an AR or a 1911 after everyone else has been making them for literally decades. |
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I think Ruger can get back into the LE market if they do this right. They tried to build a pistol for the LE market, long after the LE market dropped them like a hot potato. The last pistol Ruger made that was adopted by LE agencies was the P series and that's when they first came out in the late 80s and early 90s. By the late 90s and early 00s, those agencies that adopted a Ruger began to replace said Rugers with GLOCK, SIG, Beretta, and HK. With the exception of Grantham PD (NH), they stuck with the Ruger P series, including the P345 due to Massad Ayoob. But even they ditched the P series in 2015 for the S&W M&P in .45 ACP. When the SR hit the market, the pistol had features that were well-suited for the civilian market, not LE. The SR sold fairly well on the civilian market. But Ruger wanted to jump back into the LE market. The American series was a flash in the pan and since then, Ruger has been marketing and focusing solely on the civilian market. The LCP, LC9, Security 9, etc. If, and this is a big IF. If Ruger markets the RXM right to agencies, they can regain LE market share. And that's if the RXM does three critical things. 1. It can fit in GLOCK duty holsters. (Unknown at the moment) 2. It can use GLOCK mags. (That's a given, we know it does) 3. It can use the majority of GLOCK parts. (That's a given too, it has 90% parts compatability) Right now, we're two out of three. The biggest thing agencies hate is having to track, maintain, and replace serialized components. When Patrol Ofc. Snuffy's K9 partner uses the GLOCK as a chew toy, agency bean counters hate it because that's a serialized part destroy. And now they have to go to the city council, county commission, or state legislature and ask for more money to buy guns. But, since the FCU is the serialized part, if Patrol Ofc. Snuffy's K9 partner uses the RXM as a chew toy. The frame isn't serialized. Much easier to replace and cheaper too. That's an off-the-shelf purchase of a disposable part. No different than the motor-pool replacing an oil filter on a squad car. Additionally, it is much easier for an agency to upgrade. Since the FCU is serialized. On paper, the agency isn't buying new guns. Just parts. Much easier to sell to the bean counters. New frames, slides, barrels, caliber, etc.... Doesn't require a whole new gun. That sells. Agencies love that. That's one of the reasons why the SIG P320 has been selling well in government circles. But the fact that the RXM is practically a GLOCK with a FCU, that'll make agencies look at it since legacy equipment can be used. No need for new mags, majority of parts, etc. And if the GLOCK pattern duty holsters can be used. Even more so. |
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As someone who always detested the factory Glock grip angle & 2x4 feel - I'm sure intrigued by the option for a optics ready Glock with better optic mounting options, better grip ergonomics and options of inexpensive grip changes all at an easy to afford price too. Hope Ruger does well on this! Bigger_Hammer  |
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: And if the GLOCK pattern duty holsters can be used. Even more so. It works in Safariland holsters. At least the light bearing variety: https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/ruger-rxm-a-modular-twist-on-glocks-legacy Aside from the ability to replace a damaged grip module, the adaptable pistol has other benefits. No need to issue a new pistol if an officer goes from a patrol assignment (17 size) to a plain clothes assignment (19 size or 19 slide 26 grip) and then later to a SWAT assignment (34 size). The kicker is how popular these guns are vs how soon Ruger and Magpul get conversion kits out there. Frankly the 17/45 grip should have been ready for release the day the pistol was announced. |
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: I think Ruger can get back into the LE market if they do this right. They tried to build a pistol for the LE market, long after the LE market dropped them like a hot potato. The last pistol Ruger made that was adopted by LE agencies was the P series and that's when they first came out in the late 80s and early 90s. By the late 90s and early 00s, those agencies that adopted a Ruger began to replace said Rugers with GLOCK, SIG, Beretta, and HK. With the exception of Grantham PD (NH), they stuck with the Ruger P series, including the P345 due to Massad Ayoob. But even they ditched the P series in 2015 for the S&W M&P in .45 ACP. When the SR hit the market, the pistol had features that were well-suited for the civilian market, not LE. The SR sold fairly well on the civilian market. But Ruger wanted to jump back into the LE market. The American series was a flash in the pan and since then, Ruger has been marketing and focusing solely on the civilian market. The LCP, LC9, Security 9, etc. If, and this is a big IF. If Ruger markets the RXM right to agencies, they can regain LE market share. And that's if the RXM does three critical things. 1. It can fit in GLOCK duty holsters. (Unknown at the moment) 2. It can use GLOCK mags. (That's a given, we know it does) 3. It can use the majority of GLOCK parts. (That's a given too, it has 90% parts compatability) Right now, we're two out of three. The biggest thing agencies hate is having to track, maintain, and replace serialized components. When Patrol Ofc. Snuffy's K9 partner uses the GLOCK as a chew toy, agency bean counters hate it because that's a serialized part destroy. And now they have to go to the city council, county commission, or state legislature and ask for more money to buy guns. But, since the FCU is the serialized part, if Patrol Ofc. Snuffy's K9 partner uses the RXM as a chew toy. The frame isn't serialized. Much easier to replace and cheaper too. That's an off-the-shelf purchase of a disposable part. No different than the motor-pool replacing an oil filter on a squad car. Additionally, it is much easier for an agency to upgrade. Since the FCU is serialized. On paper, the agency isn't buying new guns. Just parts. Much easier to sell to the bean counters. New frames, slides, barrels, caliber, etc.... Doesn't require a whole new gun. That sells. Agencies love that. That's one of the reasons why the SIG P320 has been selling well in government circles. But the fact that the RXM is practically a GLOCK with a FCU, that'll make agencies look at it since legacy equipment can be used. No need for new mags, majority of parts, etc. And if the GLOCK pattern duty holsters can be used. Even more so. Sounds nice in theory, looks good on paper to a business, but big government doesn't care about saving money. Cops get top budgets and they don't give a fuck about replacing something as cheap as a Glock. My city bought 300 new Gen5 G17 MOS with ACRO P2 and TLR-1HL. One third of the department already bought their own gun so they could use an optic (including the chief), and one of the biggest reasons they gave was parts commonality and not stocking parts for the different generations. |
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: The kicker is how popular these guns are vs how soon Ruger and Magpul get conversion kits out there. Frankly the 17/45 grip should have been ready for release the day the pistol was announced. Not having a G45 equivalent grip frame (and to a lesser extent, a G26L) is the one big failure I see so far. Well, sending it out with Magpul bags, but I think Magpul might have an issue with that 
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I really want a 19 grip with a 26 slide. Ruger has the ability to crank out slide/barrel assemblies at a decent price I believe. Same with Magpul and different size grips. I agree that the speed at which this happens will help determine this pistols success. I bet Magpul is waiting for SHOT to drop some different grips. When I get back home over the holidays I think I’ll look for one. |
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Originally Posted By kokopelli: Has anyone seen/heard/read the option of a manual thumb safety on the FCU? Only way that happens if it they try to make a California model. Which means it would also have a mag disconnect and chamber load indicator. Gross |
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Originally Posted By DavidY: Got having a G45 equivalent grip frame (and to a lesser extent, a G26L) is the one big failure I see so far. Well, sending it out with Magpul bags, but I think Magpul might have an issue with that Originally Posted By DavidY: Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: The kicker is how popular these guns are vs how soon Ruger and Magpul get conversion kits out there. Frankly the 17/45 grip should have been ready for release the day the pistol was announced. Got having a G45 equivalent grip frame (and to a lesser extent, a G26L) is the one big failure I see so far. Well, sending it out with Magpul bags, but I think Magpul might have an issue with that Not all departments have decent budgets. Things are probably really tight in some of the areas that have been caught up in the de-fund the police movements over these last few years. Personal purchase is also not uncommon as noted by your department. I can see the Ruger appealing to an individual officer who has to buy his own gun but does want to have the ability to swap some parts as the assignment may require. As for the PMAGs:.some people love them and some don't. I'd probably only use them for practice and use OEM Glock mags for duty. But that's true with all the various clones out there. ZEV, Shadow Systems, etc. |
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Will that work? The 19 and 26 have different length rails and locking blocks. Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Originally Posted By mbinky: I really want a 19 grip with a 26 slide. Will that work? The 19 and 26 have different length rails and locking blocks. The “rails” are part of the FCU not the grip frame. |
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Originally Posted By DavidY: Sounds nice in theory, looks good on paper to a business, but big government doesn't care about saving money. Cops get top budgets and they don't give a fuck about replacing something as cheap as a Glock. My city bought 300 new Gen5 G17 MOS with ACRO P2 and TLR-1HL. One third of the department already bought their own gun so they could use an optic (including the chief), and one of the biggest reasons they gave was parts commonality and not stocking parts for the different generations. |
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco: So would a used Glock. Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By CarlosC: I like it. I'll give it some time to be out on the market and pick one up on GB for cheap. If they become very cheap, they'd make excellent glovebox guns. So would a used Glock. Or a gen I/II S&W MP. Used, they're practically giving them away. |
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Originally Posted By 4l65e: I'd like to see a list of RXM proprietary parts and what is actually Glock gen 3 interchangeable. However, this is a great opportunity for a company to release an 80% fire control insert. Do we know if Ruger will be selling small parts for this pistol? The entire slide assembly is 100% Glock 19 Gen 3, so slides, barrels, RSAs, all slide internals are exactly the same. The trigger and disconnector are also straight Gen 3 and should be compatible. The FCG housing is proprietary here, so it has to stay, but any trigger that just replaces the shoe, arm/cruciform, spring, and disconnector should drop right in. Ejector looks Glock compatible. Slide lock bar and spring are G19 Gen 3. Slide release and spring are Glock Gen 3. Mag release is Glock Gen 3. Mags are obviously all G19 size or longer. The FCU housing has an indent that gives the overtravel stop like factory Glock frames have. The FCU, it's a folded sheet metal cage that makes up the sides and the slide rails. The locking block is a separate and proprietary cast piece that is locked into the cage by the trigger pin (4mm, same as Glock) and also held in by the front FCU retaining pin in the frame. Proprietary parts will be the FCU cage, the locking block, the trigger pin (shorter than OEM), the trigger housing and the pin that holds it in the FCU, the large front body pin that holds the FCU in the grip module, and obviously the grip module itself. The 3mm pin above the trigger might be proprietary, or you might be able to use the "3rd pin" from the Gen 3 Glocks that go in about the same place there as well.    |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: I bought one yesterday and tore it apart. The entire slide assembly is 100% Glock 19 Gen 3, so slides, barrels, RSAs, all slide internals are exactly the same. The trigger and disconnector are also straight Gen 3 and should be compatible. The FCG housing is proprietary here, so it has to stay, but any trigger that just replaces the shoe, arm/cruciform, spring, and disconnector should drop right in. Ejector looks Glock compatible. Slide lock bar and spring are G19 Gen 3. Slide release and spring are Glock Gen 3. Mag release is Glock Gen 3. Mags are obviously all G19 size or longer. The FCU housing has an indent that gives the overtravel stop like factory Glock frames have. The FCU, it's a folded sheet metal cage that makes up the sides and the slide rails. The locking block is a separate and proprietary cast piece that is locked into the cage by the trigger pin (4mm, same as Glock) and also held in by the front FCU retaining pin in the frame. Proprietary parts will be the FCU cage, the locking block, the trigger pin (shorter than OEM), the trigger housing and the pin that holds it in the FCU, the large front body pin that holds the FCU in the grip module, and obviously the grip module itself. The 3mm pin above the trigger might be proprietary, or you might be able to use the "3rd pin" from the Gen 3 Glocks that go in about the same place there as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/2024-12-11_19_38_15-3403843.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/2024-12-11_18_22_07-3403789.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/2024-12-11_18_22_22-3403788.jpg Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By 4l65e: I'd like to see a list of RXM proprietary parts and what is actually Glock gen 3 interchangeable. However, this is a great opportunity for a company to release an 80% fire control insert. Do we know if Ruger will be selling small parts for this pistol? The entire slide assembly is 100% Glock 19 Gen 3, so slides, barrels, RSAs, all slide internals are exactly the same. The trigger and disconnector are also straight Gen 3 and should be compatible. The FCG housing is proprietary here, so it has to stay, but any trigger that just replaces the shoe, arm/cruciform, spring, and disconnector should drop right in. Ejector looks Glock compatible. Slide lock bar and spring are G19 Gen 3. Slide release and spring are Glock Gen 3. Mag release is Glock Gen 3. Mags are obviously all G19 size or longer. The FCU housing has an indent that gives the overtravel stop like factory Glock frames have. The FCU, it's a folded sheet metal cage that makes up the sides and the slide rails. The locking block is a separate and proprietary cast piece that is locked into the cage by the trigger pin (4mm, same as Glock) and also held in by the front FCU retaining pin in the frame. Proprietary parts will be the FCU cage, the locking block, the trigger pin (shorter than OEM), the trigger housing and the pin that holds it in the FCU, the large front body pin that holds the FCU in the grip module, and obviously the grip module itself. The 3mm pin above the trigger might be proprietary, or you might be able to use the "3rd pin" from the Gen 3 Glocks that go in about the same place there as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/2024-12-11_19_38_15-3403843.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/2024-12-11_18_22_07-3403789.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/2024-12-11_18_22_22-3403788.jpg Thanks much for the pics. Have you tried a Glock or aftermarket slide on it yet? |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: I bought one yesterday and tore it apart. The entire slide assembly is 100% Glock 19 Gen 3, so slides, barrels, RSAs, all slide internals are exactly the same. The trigger and disconnector are also straight Gen 3 and should be compatible. The FCG housing is proprietary here, so it has to stay, but any trigger that just replaces the shoe, arm/cruciform, spring, and disconnector should drop right in. Ejector looks Glock compatible. Slide lock bar and spring are G19 Gen 3. Slide release and spring are Glock Gen 3. Mag release is Glock Gen 3. Mags are obviously all G19 size or longer. The FCU housing has an indent that gives the overtravel stop like factory Glock frames have. The FCU, it's a folded sheet metal cage that makes up the sides and the slide rails. The locking block is a separate and proprietary cast piece that is locked into the cage by the trigger pin (4mm, same as Glock) and also held in by the front FCU retaining pin in the frame. Proprietary parts will be the FCU cage, the locking block, the trigger pin (shorter than OEM), the trigger housing and the pin that holds it in the FCU, the large front body pin that holds the FCU in the grip module, and obviously the grip module itself. The 3mm pin above the trigger might be proprietary, or you might be able to use the "3rd pin" from the Gen 3 Glocks that go in about the same place there as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/2024-12-11_19_38_15-3403843.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/2024-12-11_18_22_07-3403789.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/2024-12-11_18_22_22-3403788.jpg You're the man, thanks for the pictures. I think I'm sold. After having a few Daggers I'm expecting the quality of small parts on these is better. |
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Originally Posted By 4l65e: You're the man, thanks for the pictures. I think I'm sold. After having a few Daggers I'm expecting the quality of small parts on these is better. I think it's a good deal, the lowest price I've seen so far is about $360. I paid $400 and I'm happy with it for that. Hopefully Magpul stays on top of new offerings for grips/chassis to take full advantage of it. A G19x/G45 type grip module would be a no-brainer. For a G17 frame for longer slides, we'll have to see what they do there. In the Gen 3 pattern the locking block and slide lock bar positions are different between full size and compact, so you'd possibly have to use Gen 5 G17 slides/barrels or something like the "G19L" parts Brownells used to offer to get a longer upper. |
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Originally Posted By Middlelength: Is it compatible with Glock slides? I'm interested in one of these in 17 size. Price is outstanding, features are good, maybe a PCC collab is next! Gen 3 17 and Gen 3 19 use a different locking block. To use a 17 slide you'll need something like an aftermarket 19L slide or a ZEV stretched slide and Gen 5 17 barrel. |
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Gen 3 17 and Gen 3 19 use a different locking block. To use a 17 slide you'll need something like an aftermarket 19L slide or a ZEV stretched slide and Gen 5 17 barrel. They actually probably could have resolved this with a bit of a redesign. Since the locking block is a separate part, they could have offered a full-size compatible one to swap out. However, they would have to also change up the FCU cage since it has the slot cut for the slide lock/disassembly bar. That also is positioned more forward on a full size Gen 3 frame, and the hole for it in the cage restricts that. Enlarge that hole and redesign it a bit so you can swap between two locking blocks and it would be much more modular while still being within the overall Gen 3 ecosystem. |
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Its a solid pistol. Have not had a chance to shoot it yet. Appears well made and I really like the feel and balance. Will clean and lube and give it a closer inspection. So far, I really like what I see. The local Fleet Farm got 4 of them in yesterday and as of today, mine was the first sale. PMAGS................Hmmmmm. Lucky I have all those OEM Glock mags! |
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Originally Posted By heydrich: Its a solid pistol. Have not had a chance to shoot it yet. Appears well made and I really like the feel and balance. Will clean and lube and give it a closer inspection. So far, I really like what I see. The local Fleet Farm got 4 of them in yesterday and as of today, mine was the first sale. PMAGS................Hmmmmm. Lucky I have all those OEM Glock mags! I've NEVER had an issue with GL Pmags in thousands of rounds fired. 15rd. 17rd, 21rd, 12rd (G26) and even the 26rd. Never one issue |