Posted: 1/29/2010 12:32:01 PM EDT
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...but I just can't get past the DA/SA on my HK45C. I've tried my best to locate an LEM kit to no avail. I also refuse to carry cocked/locked as I feel having to disengage a safety before firing adds time. I'm thinking I might put it on consignment this coming weekend.
I'm not even sure what to ask for it. It is a German made gun that I had Meprolight sights put on. Gun is in great shape minus a little holster wear. 1,000rds down the pipe with minimal wear on the top of the barrel. Always cleaned lubed w/ CLP. Any ideas what to ask for it? I do love this gun, but I'd rather a light DA as most of the rest of my collection is. |
The proper technique is to disengage the safety as you draw it, it shouldn't add any time. The good news is you don't have to sell your gun! The bad news is you have to train to learn how to do do this (albeit the training shouldn't take that long, provided you have the drive to do so).
Now I completly understand if you wish to have a similar trigger type for all your guns. If you really like your HK45 just wait to find a LEM kit. If you don't like it that much just sell it. Life is short, put the money toward something you really want. 
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| you want to get rid of an hk45c because the LEM conversion kits that could give you the trigger you want is out of stock right now? really? hkparts.net told me today that he'll have them anyday and theyre easy to install. depending what spring you use, it'll have a 5.5lb (factory) or 8lb (spring in kit) pull on the LEM conversion. Don't sell it when the kits are days away. |
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You just need more practice. Here is me shooting IDPA. I ALWAYS start out "decocked"/hammer down, safety on.
Fury Bulverde Of course this IS after A LOT of practice. 
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So you would rather carry a paper weight than have a round in the chamber  Not sure I understand what your implying? As for waiting for the LEM kits, I've been waiting...for a while. In that time I've had the chance to shoot a bunch more pistols such as the M&P45 and to be quite honest, the 3 mags I put through grouped just as well as any I've ever shot from the 45C (I am not comparing the actual accuracy of each one, just how I can practically shoot them). Secondly, the fact that it takes so long to get parts really makes me reconsider whether I want to own a gun that can't be repaired/serviced easily. This is not an HK bash. Honestly I never had a single malf with the gun, ever, and that says a lot these days. All in all though, I simply don't think we're a good match. |
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You just need more practice. Here is me shooting IDPA. I ALWAYS start out "decocked"/hammer down, safety on. Fury Bulverde Of course this IS after A LOT of practice. Good shootin'! |
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So you would rather carry a paper weight than have a round in the chamber Not sure I understand what your implying? You said you refuse to carry cocked and locked, so my question is what is the point in carrying in the first place? You are saying it takes time to disengage the safety, so not having one in the chamber is only going to add more time to this. |
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...but I just can't get past the DA/SA on my HK45C. I've tried my best to locate an LEM kit to no avail. I also refuse to carry cocked/locked as I feel having to disengage a safety before firing adds time. I'm thinking I might put it on consignment this coming weekend. I'm not even sure what to ask for it. It is a German made gun that I had Meprolight sights put on. Gun is in great shape minus a little holster wear. 1,000rds down the pipe with minimal wear on the top of the barrel. Always cleaned lubed w/ CLP. Any ideas what to ask for it? I do love this gun, but I'd rather a light DA as most of the rest of my collection is. http://www.triggerwork.net/usp.html $59 for a trigger job from Bill Springfield. many many people have commented on his great trigger work. |
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So you would rather carry a paper weight than have a round in the chamber Not sure I understand what your implying? You said you refuse to carry cocked and locked, so my question is what is the point in carrying in the first place? You are saying it takes time to disengage the safety, so not having one in the chamber is only going to add more time to this. No, I carry chambered. I just carry hammer down so the first round is DA (roughly 12lb. pull). This has nothing to with an empty chamber, just the position of the hammer. |
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So you would rather carry a paper weight than have a round in the chamber Not sure I understand what your implying? You said you refuse to carry cocked and locked, so my question is what is the point in carrying in the first place? You are saying it takes time to disengage the safety, so not having one in the chamber is only going to add more time to this. No, I carry chambered. I just carry hammer down so the first round is DA (roughly 12lb. pull). This has nothing to with an empty chamber, just the position of the hammer. Ah, I see what you were saying. I guess I misunderstood your original post. |
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You just need more practice. Here is me shooting IDPA. I ALWAYS start out "decocked"/hammer down, safety on. Fury Bulverde Of course this IS after A LOT of practice. Good videos and great shooting Fury. 
Thanks for posting! As to the OP's problem, what would be so wrong with cocking the hammer and going SA from the start ? For example, if someone had a 1911, they'd drop the safety and start firing in SA mode with a 4 lb. trigger or less. I can cock the hammer on my pistols just as fast as I can drop the safety on a 1911. I guess I'm showing my ignorance, but if someone has a problem with DA/SA why not carry the pistol with a rd in the chamber and either go DA or cock the hammer for the first shot? Most good (Sig, HK,) pistols have about a 10lb DA trigger pull and a 5lb SA trigger pull. Me and Jack Daniels just aren't understanding the difference between a cocked and locked 1911 and a DA/SA pistol with rd in chamber and cocking the hammer on the DA/SA. Thanks for any feedback. 
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The gun in DA has a trigger pull heavy enough to throw my 1st-2nd round off by a little, which I don't like.
I prefer not to carry in SA due to the fact that there is no secondary safety (like the grip safety on a 1911) therefore if the safety got knocked to the off position during physical activity I'd be walking around with a gun that's ready to go, not cool. For some people that's cool, for me I'm not crazy about it. |
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The gun in DA has a trigger pull heavy enough to throw my 1st-2nd round off by a little, which I don't like. I prefer not to carry in SA due to the fact that there is no secondary safety (like the grip safety on a 1911) therefore if the safety got knocked to the off position during physical activity I'd be walking around with a gun that's ready to go, not cool. For some people that's cool, for me I'm not crazy about it. I can respect that, but just so you know. A good holster that covers your trigger guard is plenty of insurance against a flicked off safety. On that note I have a question. How much tension does the HK45 safety have? Is it stiff like a 1911, or a little easier like a BHP 
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You just need more practice. Here is me shooting IDPA. I ALWAYS start out "decocked"/hammer down, safety on. Fury Bulverde Of course this IS after A LOT of practice. Thought I recognized that range.
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You just need more practice. Here is me shooting IDPA. I ALWAYS start out "decocked"/hammer down, safety on. Fury Bulverde Of course this IS after A LOT of practice. Good videos and great shooting Fury.
Thanks for posting! As to the OP's problem, what would be so wrong with cocking the hammer and going SA from the start ? For example, if someone had a 1911, they'd drop the safety and start firing in SA mode with a 4 lb. trigger or less. I can cock the hammer on my pistols just as fast as I can drop the safety on a 1911. I guess I'm showing my ignorance, but if someone has a problem with DA/SA why not carry the pistol with a rd in the chamber and either go DA or cock the hammer for the first shot? Most good (Sig, HK,) pistols have about a 10lb DA trigger pull and a 5lb SA trigger pull. Me and Jack Daniels just aren't understanding the difference between a cocked and locked 1911 and a DA/SA pistol with rd in chamber and cocking the hammer on the DA/SA. Thanks for any feedback.
Are you saying you would pull back the hammer while unholstering? If your thumb slips halfway back, you just shot something you weren't ready to shoot at. If in SA with the safety on, taking the safety off will not result in a discharge until the trigger is pulled. Am I getting you wrong or are you just wrong? You should never manually cock the hammer with one in the chamber, especially while drawing. |
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You just need more practice. Here is me shooting IDPA. I ALWAYS start out "decocked"/hammer down, safety on. Fury Bulverde Of course this IS after A LOT of practice. Good videos and great shooting Fury.
Thanks for posting! As to the OP's problem, what would be so wrong with cocking the hammer and going SA from the start ? For example, if someone had a 1911, they'd drop the safety and start firing in SA mode with a 4 lb. trigger or less. I can cock the hammer on my pistols just as fast as I can drop the safety on a 1911. I guess I'm showing my ignorance, but if someone has a problem with DA/SA why not carry the pistol with a rd in the chamber and either go DA or cock the hammer for the first shot? Most good (Sig, HK,) pistols have about a 10lb DA trigger pull and a 5lb SA trigger pull. Me and Jack Daniels just aren't understanding the difference between a cocked and locked 1911 and a DA/SA pistol with rd in chamber and cocking the hammer on the DA/SA. Thanks for any feedback.
Are you saying you would pull back the hammer while unholstering? If your thumb slips halfway back, you just shot something you weren't ready to shoot at. If in SA with the safety on, taking the safety off will not result in a discharge until the trigger is pulled. Am I getting you wrong or are you just wrong? You should never manually cock the hammer with one in the chamber, especially while drawing. Most modern pistols like Sigs, and I assume HKs as well, have trigger safety's built into them. They won't fire unless the trigger is pulled, even if the hammer is dropped for some other reason. So pulling the hammer halfway back and then slipping won't cause the gun to go off. That's why the perform drop tests on guns. |
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The gun in DA has a trigger pull heavy enough to throw my 1st-2nd round off by a little, which I don't like. I prefer not to carry in SA due to the fact that there is no secondary safety (like the grip safety on a 1911) therefore if the safety got knocked to the off position during physical activity I'd be walking around with a gun that's ready to go, not cool. For some people that's cool, for me I'm not crazy about it. I can respect that, but just so you know. A good holster that covers your trigger guard is plenty of insurance against a flicked off safety. On that note I have a question. How much tension does the HK45 safety have? Is it stiff like a 1911, or a little easier like a BHP
To answer your question about the safety, it's a little light. |
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The gun in DA has a trigger pull heavy enough to throw my 1st-2nd round off by a little, which I don't like. I prefer not to carry in SA due to the fact that there is no secondary safety (like the grip safety on a 1911) therefore if the safety got knocked to the off position during physical activity I'd be walking around with a gun that's ready to go, not cool. For some people that's cool, for me I'm not crazy about it. I can respect that, but just so you know. A good holster that covers your trigger guard is plenty of insurance against a flicked off safety. On that note I have a question. How much tension does the HK45 safety have? Is it stiff like a 1911, or a little easier like a BHP
To answer your question about the safety, it's a little light. Ok, so it's more like a BHP, thanks. So what have you decided to do? |
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I seriously considered dropping the LEM kit in my 45c when I bought it. However, I was convinced to "tough it out" with the SA/DA and I'm still not sure if I like it with this setup. I currently just deal with the fact that I have to hammer back in the holster (given time) or on draw if I need to be sure on that first shot. Carrying cocked'n'locked doesn't work for me as my holster likes to slip the safety off.
As an aside, I find that my gun loves followup shots. My DA first shot sucks but that SA finds the x ring more often that not. I probably just need some coaching. 
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Honestly, if it bothers you so much to carry a gun condition one (hammer back, safety on) then firearms may not be for you.
This is how AR15's work, incase you were ever wondering....and its a method that has been used for, well, a really long damn time. Any decent holster will prevent that safety from getting disengaged, and if you're gripping the gun as you're supposed to, your right thumb will deactivate the safety during the draw, and sit right on top of it during firing. I can appreciate you not getting along with the HK, but this seems more like an overall comfort issue with firearms in general. You're getting rid of it for an awefully foolish reason. The HK is perfectly safe carried condition one, and thats all there is to it. Professional instruction would do you a lot more good than taking an ass raping on a trade in. Sell it on the EE if you decide to get rid of it, you'll get alot more for it. |
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Carrying cocked'n'locked doesn't work for me as my holster likes to slip the safety off. What holster are you using for that to happen Comp-Tac C-TAC. They made an attempt to fix the issue but either I managed to score one of the pre-fix holsters or it did not fix the issue. Again, my original thought was to switch to the light LEM version, so I viewed it as a non-issue for me. -TD |
The DA pull on my Colt SAA is HORRIBLE!  tee hee
If the gun feels good in your hand, fits your paws and you like it, keep it and find one of those kits you want to install. If you're feeling that the marriage is over, then divorce the gun and get new. Do you wear a pair of shoes that hurts your feet to go hiking? NOT likely is it? So why would you own a gun that you don't like.
Under stress you'll perform what you've trained. How have you trained and /or how do you want to perform under stress? Best of luck to ya! |
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Intersting, if you do decide to switch holsters I know for a fact the M-Tac will work just fine. I carry a USPC .45 in an M-Tac all the time and love it. I'm in the middle of a rifle build so I'm content to work with what I have for the time being. But I should at least check into the M-Tac to see if they have started making for the 45C. -TD |
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The gun in DA has a trigger pull heavy enough to throw my 1st-2nd round off by a little, which I don't like. Grow stronger. 
You should feel my DA pull on my USP 9 after about 3K rounds. Either I've gotten stronger or she's really lightened up  . |
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So you would rather carry a paper weight than have a round in the chamber Not sure I understand what your implying? You said you refuse to carry cocked and locked, so my question is what is the point in carrying in the first place? You are saying it takes time to disengage the safety, so not having one in the chamber is only going to add more time to this. No, I carry chambered. I just carry hammer down so the first round is DA (roughly 12lb. pull). This has nothing to with an empty chamber, just the position of the hammer. I have 3 v3 HKs. Yes, the difference between DA and SA seems huge shooting paper. Go take some defensive handgun classes. You will never notice the difference between your first shot and those following. Carry it decocked with the safety off, The v3's don't even have safeties. |