Posted: 1/17/2008 10:48:10 AM EDT
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So has anyone shot Wolf ammo through their USP/USPc? Midway sells that Wolf for really cheap and just wondered what you all thought... |
| Stay away from Wolf steel cases, or any steel cased ammo. The steel is very hard on the extractor and there have been problems reported with premature extractor wear on HKPRO a few years ago but I have not heard anything recently. Still, stick with brass cased ammo and blast away. |
I've had a USP 9 for years, I first bought one in 1997. In all that time, the only malfunctions that weren't the shooter's fault are 3 FTE's from one box of wolf sometime around 2000. I haven't used it since. YMMV. |
+1 Hurting an $800 gun isn't worth saving $15-20 on ammo, IMO. 
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I totaly understand that steel is much harder than brass, however HOW could a steel case be any worse than brass when it is being cycled through??? My line of thinking might be off, however I just dont see how a steel case could put any extra force/tension on the extractor vs. a brass case??? Im not saying anybody is wrong, I just need an explaination. Also Wolf uses a polymer or lacquer coating that should be softer than bare brass. I do agree that wolf is not the best to be shooting in an expensive weapon. |
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From the USP owners manual -- CAUTION: HK firearms are designed to function with quality manufactured brass cased ammunition. Use of steel or aluminum cased cartridges is not recommended and could adversely affect safe and reliable functioning. as with everything gun related.... YMMV |
| I have cycled wolf through my USP before. I actully just bought a bunch more from Midway also. My way of thinking is that any weapon worth anything should cycle anything you put in it. I can see where steel might be harder on it but i just watch my extractory realy close and just clean it a bit better is all. In my experience Wolf is good stuff and honestly better quality than alot of the cheap brass cased stuff. |
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I shot probably about 1K(and thats a low guess) of wolf through my old G19 and never had a problem. I would shoot wolf all day long, over that CCI crap. ETA- The CCI shot-shell rounds smell like absolut shit  . I shot a targe with about 8rnds from an old smith&wesson M15..........smellyist stuff ever.
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Brass has some flex/give to the rim, steel doesn't. As for the coating, all that does is (supposedly) help in extraction. 
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| i shot probably 2K through my tactical before i started reloading. its very accurate, smokey, and gets crap all over your forearm. what i did not like was the lacquer coating that you had to dig out of your frame, probably not good for the chamber either. i dont really see a steel case putting wear on a spring loaded extractor, on a 1911 internal extractor yes. wolf used to be cheap, $120/K. now the price probably almost doubled, cheaper to get WWB by the case from walmart. start reloading, i used to be able to load 1K/$100. components have gone up, just stock up when stuff is on sale. |
That makes cense. Im guessing most extractors are made of steel to? |
| yeah most extractors are made from some perty hard steel. I dont know if its ordinance steel but its harder than the steel Wolf uses in the cases. After seeing this post i did some reading and i have read a few reports about the weapon not going into battery with the wolf stuff. I would say with 90% certainty that is the fault of the operator and not maintaining the wepon right. If you dont clean the weapon right or take care of it it will jam with the best ammo in the world. |
I disagree. With Wolf, they add that varnish to their cases & this gums up the chambers. Even one with a squeeky clean gun to begin with can develop issues with Wolf, IMO. |
I bought 250 rounds of wolf 45acp one time. Most of the rounds would not chamber. They were too fat. Some would chamber and fire then the others would stove pipe. I shot less than 50 rounds of it be for giving it to my friend who shot it through his glock without any trouble.
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Im not saying it cannot happen but i have fed ALOT of Wolf through Glocks 1911s and now my USP. I have yet to have this problem. I know the polymer can come off in ARs and the older laquer stuff is netorious for that. So i know it can happen but i have yet to see it in my weapons so im kinda thinking its a maint. issue. |
i too have shot lots and lots of wolf through glocks, 1911's, Kahr pistols, and my P7, never a single problem. only ammo i have ever had problems with in any of these guns is remington UMC. yes the steel cases cause extra wear on extractors, which just results in needing to replace extractors early. also you should make sure your chamber is properly polished if you are using steel cased ammo, most chambers are not polished well at the factory |
seriously, have you removed the extractor from a USP? I have and it is beefy, if it breaks it must have been a bad part. |
Don't shoot what, Wolf or CCI/AE? |
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Honestly in my opinion from shooting some 50K rounds over the past 2years, i would say that Wolf is perty good quality for the price. Its better than the cheap CCI and Federal stuff. Only stuff i like better than Wolf for blasting ammo is Sellier and Belliot. ETA: Page 2 ownage
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Welcome to the forums! There's an "edit" button where one can go back & correct any booboo's. 
Where did I say anything about weak extractors, or even imply I was worried about my extractor???? |
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I've used Wolf 40 S&W in my Full sized USP. It was horribly dirty and underpowerd. Honestly, I think the USP's recoil spring is too heavy for the stuff. WWB works much better and isn't much more at Walmart. I'm a big Wolf fan. I've used in my AR-15 for years without incident. But the USP - in 40 S&W at least - has a chamber just too tight for it. Strangely, my Glock feeds the stuff all day long without a hitch. It also doesn't bulge the steel like it bulges brass as well. |