Posted: 12/27/2007 8:32:16 AM EDT
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In the near future, I'm planning on buying a P7. I've wanted one since 198? (high school). I've been reading up on them, and I'm curious as to what the "scraper" is used for. I'm guessing some kind of maintenance or takedown procedure. Also, does the pistol require much maintenance compared to standard delayed blowback systems? Thanks. ETA: Forgot to ask, but is +P or +P+ ok in this gun? The standard answer for any gun is usually that limited use is ok, extended use will increase wear/tear. German guns being NATO spec, it should be able to take higher pressure stuff fairly regularly. Just not sure with the gas piston design. |
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The scraper is to clean carbon buildup from the gas system. ETA: This should be done as general maintenance. Carbon buildup of course builds up as you shoot and needs to be removed for reliability, especially if you intend to carry the P7. +P and +P+ is not recommended by HK for use in the P7, although many shooters use it. It can handle the stuff just fine if you want to use it. HK over-engineers their handguns, and the P7 is no exception. I recommend if you intend to carry with over-pressured rounds, try out a bunch of different brands to see what works best, because some +P and +P+ ammo types have feeding and extracting issues in the P7, especially +P+. Personally I don't use +P ammo when shooting my P7, but YMMV. |
| What a good price for a P7M8 these days? I saw one at a local store for $1350.00, I'm not sure if it's new or not, and people on other forums asking $1500.00 for a used one. I know there some out there that are police trade ins. I'm thinking about getting into one of these. |
I've been looking into getting a P7 also, which is why I started this thread. The police trade-ins you are seeing are P7-PSPs. They have the mag release on the butt of the gun instead of a thumb release near the trigger guard. Some people say that the P7M8 and M13 mag release is easy to release by accident on the holster or your shirt when drawing or re-holstering. Some say they prefer the PSP. Chances are, I will be buying a PSP, pending the sale of a BMW motorcycle (which is listed in the EE, btw.) |
$1350 is actually a great price for one, even used. If it has the notch milled out of the slide on the right side, I would pass though, YMMV. Otherwise I'd grab it. Ray Tanner might still have an M8 in stock, but I don't see an ad for any on gunbroker. He has a shitload of "A" and "B" grade PSP's though for good prices. |
Tell me more about this notch, I looked at Gunbroker and all of the P7M8's I saw didn't have a notch, where would it be on the slide? Front or back? What does YMMV mean? Sorry about asking so many questions, just don't want to get something I'll regret. |
www.tannerssportcenter.com |
Go to gunbroker.com, click on "Smart Search" under the search box. From the menu at left, select "Search by Seller" and type in Ray Tanner to see all his auctions. He's a class act, great to deal with. |
 Note the milling on the slide between the ejection port and muzzle. It looks like a black mark where material was removed. I think the only guns with this milling were police issue P7M8's, and the milling was to signify former service. YMMV= "Your Mileage May Vary," or "you might feel differently." ETA: The milling is purely cosmetic. |
Notch mystery solved:
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Some tips on P7 buying: - Consider the current crop Grade A PSPs, which are 1/2 the price of a M13. If you learn the proper manual of arms for the Euro mag change, it's actually more efficient than the American thumb release - Avoid the Jubiliee P7M8s, they are pricey and are really collector's items - If you intend to CCW, invest in a good (expensive) carry holster. Milt Sparks, Del Fatti, etc. - Visit the P7 discussion forum, aka The Cult of the P7, a wealth of good information and good guys This is from a proud owner of 9 P7s -- I have a pair each M8, M10, M13, PSP and one K3 in 3 calibers. |
Do you have a link to the proper way to do this. I'm planning on getting a PSP for CCW, and I'd like to learn the proper mag change.
I hate you.  Oh, and how's the P7K3 in .22lr? I'd like to find one and use it as a host for my AAC Pilot. I'm told putting a can on a 9mm P7 doesn't work very well, however. |
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The normal issues with suppression come from the fact the P7 is a blowback pistol, and increasing the backpressure on the gases in the barrel simply forces those gases out the ejection port. I imagine in .22LR it's not a big deal as most .22 pistols are blowback. However, you'll have a hard time finding an extended barrel for the K3 to thread -- I'm not sure it exists. As far as mag changes, I don't know of any link; I was shown by an instructor in Florida. It's hard to describe the technique but easy to show in person. |
