Posted: 9/22/2006 12:25:11 AM EDT
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I just got one of the "Left Handed" USPc 9mm from CDNN, and, I don't like the trigger. It is a Variant 6 gun (bobbed hammer, double action only, control lever on the right side of the slide, control lever manual safety). I have a USPc in .40 with the LEM trigger. I LIKE this trigger. It's much lighter than what's on the 9mm, smoother, etc. What I WANT/NEED is the LEM FEEL with a manual ambidextrous safety. What parts do I need to get? Or, who can I send it to to have it done??? Thanks! |
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www.streetpro.com/usp/detail/dst.html Above is doing it yourself. Here is a link for parts. www.calssportingarmory.com/HK%20Pistol%20Accessories.htm By the way does CDNN still have the stainless pistols in stock? |
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HK will charge you around $125, plus return shipping, for the job. That includes parts and labor. I seem to recall the parts sell for around $60. Before I complete my "opinion", please know that I am a certified armorer on just about everything EXCEPT HK; so I don't make this statement from a position of total ignorance. I had a long chat with one of the HK armorers last week on an unrelated topic. The subject of the LEM trigger came up, because I've been contemplating getting a USPf to complement my USPc (with LEM; you're right, its the greatest), and there just don't seem to be any USPf .45s around with the LEM installed. So I would be in the same boat as you; needing a LEM conversion on an existing pistol. The guy was pretty forthcoming, and I could also read between the lines. According to him, converting a USP to the LEM trigger is not quite as simple as it might appear to be. He said, "There's a few tricks to doing it right." My point here is that this fellow knew that I was not your average shade-tree gun butcher, thus requiring that he be circumspect and toe the company line. He was telling me that, without having done one before, and not having the intricate knowledge of the mechanism that armorer training provides, I might be causing myself some grief. I've had to deal with plenty of paper sacks full of gun parts myself, brought in by cops who should have hidden all their "gun tools" from themselves. I know what the HK guy was talking about. All that is a convoluted way of telling you be careful if you decide to do the conversion yourself. On the one hand, $125 is a chunk of change. On the other, you KNOW your piece will work like it is supposed to, and have the correct parts in it. |
| I agree, you should let HK install the LEM trigger. And no, HK will not include a safety on the LEM conversion. That is not an authorized HK variant of the LEM. But, you can do it yourself. One or two guys on HKPRO have done this after they got the gun back along with the parts HK removed. They just went back and reinstalled the safety in place of the blank hammer axel and I "think" they had to put back in the detent plate and its associated parts. Remember, you are on your own if you do this conversion but HK will not touch your pistol in this shape if you need service. So, if you really want the safety do some searching on HKPRO and you may drag up one of the guys who did this and they can tell you more, but don't look for HK to be of any help on it. |
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Okay, so it sounds like I need to convert it to a Variation 1 gun, which I think is the closest in feel to the LEM trigger, WITH an ambidextrous safety.... "I" can live without the safety, BUT, the wife wants it with a safety..... I might have to have the LEM trigger installed, let her shoot it for awhile, and then convert it if she doesn't like it..... OR.... At that point leave this one alone, and buy HER a 9mm Variant 1 gun....YEA....THAT's it!!! |
| I do not personally recommend ambi safeties. I would stay away from them especially if it's a carry gun and you drive with it holstered. My last gun, a TRP Operator would frequently have the safety disengaged when I unholstered it due to the ambi safety getting caught on something or being pushed by something (seat in the car I assume). |
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V5,6,7,and 8 are DAO variants but they are NOT the LEM trigger. If you can imagine a V3 or 4 SA/DA safety only trigger but without the SA then you would have the V5 and V6 with the safety lever (no decock) with a pull weight of about 13 pounds. V7 and V8 (V8 not imported into the US) is without any control lever at all but is still the standard DAO trigger which is also about 13 pounds. The LEM trigger is not part of the listed 10 variants because those variants can be changed with a detent change and maybe a control lever change. The LEM conversion requires a completly new fire control group to be installed along with a two piece hammer assembly. So as you can see, the LEM fire control group is a totally different animal. |
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Big-Bore, I carry a USPc .40 as a duty weapon, and it has the LEM trigger. I just ordered a P2000SK .40 LEM as a secondary weapon. The trigger pull and method of actuation felt the same as my USPc LEM. Are they the same? What are the differences if any? Thanks. Mike |
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I WISH I could carry a back up weapon..... I think I'd get the P2000k also.... From what I understand, the LEM Trigger is the LEM Trigger, no matter what the platform is..... And, after going to the store with the Wife we played with a Var 1 USPc, I think that's what I'm going to have the trigger changed to. It gives a "GOOD" SA/DA Pull, with the safety and de-cocker..... |
| I just got my P2000SK .40. The box was marked: "P2000SK V2 LEM DAO". I was on the range when it was delivered but I haven't shot it yet. I have cleaned and dry fired it though, and the trigger seems to be about the same as my USPc .40, except the reset is not as crisp, and it's not as easy to feel as the USPc. Hopefully this will not be a factor when fired with live ammo. I don't think that it will. We'll see on Monday, as that's another range day. I guess that the P2000 series has different Variants than the Compact, as I always thought that my USPc was a V7. Please correct my ignorance if I am wrong. |
Yes, the LEM triggers are all the same whether they are in the USP, USPC, P2K, or P2KSK. Also, the LEM trigger uses a preloaded hammer so if you rack the slide first you will feel a very light trigger pull, about 8 pounds for a V2 LEM. But, if you pull the trigger, do not rack the slide (which preloads the hammer) and pull the trigger again you will feel about a 13 pound trigger pull. When you pull the trigger without racking the slide you are fully loading the hammer with the pull of the trigger which is not the normal way it operates. Under normal operation when you rack the slide to chamber a round you preload the hammer and each shot preloads the hammer again, but unlike a Glock or a XD, if you get a misfire you have the option of just pulling the trigger again to try and light the round off with a second strike, but the pull will be much heavier. The un-preloaded pull is about like the normal DA pull on a USP or USPC or the DA pull on the P2K/SK V3 which is SA/DA decock only. The P2K V3 is the same as the USP/C V3, that is being SA/DA decock only but the V3 P2K is not an LEM trigger. On the LEM triggers, all models, the variants are different than the 10 normal variants of the USP/C pistols. On the LEM triggers V1 is the 5 pound +- pull, V2 the 8 pound +- pull, V4 the 6-7 pound pull, and the V5 is about 13 pounds which is very much like the normal USP DA pull or the DA pull of the V3 P2K/SK. |