Posted: 4/28/2006 7:05:12 PM EDT
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Guys, I do apologize if this topic has been beaten to death, but I did a search and couldn't find the info I need. I personally own a USP-C .45 now, and I've got a friend who is trying to decide between these two firearms, but neither of us are very knowledgable on the differences between the models. I know the general idea is that the USP-C is a better weapon, but can you all give me a bit more info? Thanks! |
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Personally, I do not care for a DAO handgun in that size. A J-frame S&W is one thing, a USP is another, IMO. The USP is capable of wonderful accuracy, DAO removes a great deal of that, IMO. Now, if the P2000 isn't what I'm thinking of & DAO, then disregard all the above.  My .o2 |
Spoken like a guy whose never shot the LEM trigger. It does take some getting used to, but it is simply incredible. There are a lot of Glock guys at my pistol club and I always let them shoot my P2000 LEM. The next week, they show up with one and start bitching about Glocks! That being said, my buddy has a USP45 SA/DA that shoots incredibly well too. That gun has barely any slack in the trigger. The LEM trigger has about 1" of slack, but that's the beauty of it. Once you learn to immediately take of the slack (which is the inherent safety) the DA pull is crisp and soft. You have to try it to understand it better. Hope this helps... |
Says who? The USPc is a great gun, but a P2000 takes everything that is good about a USPc and improves on it. We are talking minor differences for the most part, but one of the nicest features is the interchangeable backstraps. Having a perfect grip makes a world of difference. If you strip a USPc and a P2000, the parts look nearly interchangeable. Consider the P2000 to be an intelligent evolution of the USPc. If you had the choice of buying a 2000 F-150 or a 2006 F-150, you'd buy the 2006 right? Same difference. |
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I have owned and carried both the P2k and the USPc. I no longer own the P2k. Part of that is the LEM, which is what my P2k was. You can tell me that's a great trigger until you're blue in the face; I think it's horrible. I just couldn't stand it. I like the USPc because I can carry it cocked and locked; one of the reasons I tried the LEM is I like a consistent trigger pull, none of this DA/SA crap. I can't carry a P2k cocked and locked because the DA/SA version doesn't have a safety. |
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The LEM is an amazing trigger. I had my USP9 switched over, and am eyeballing a USPc or P2000 w/LEM awful hard. The followup shot(s) can be delivered with amazing speed, and the 5.5lb 'long' pull is pleasant enough. *shrug* I've shot both the USPc/9 and P2000/9, and frankly, I don't think there is much to choose from between them. The P2000 does have a 'normal' rail and changeable backstrap, and the USPc is a bit smaller and lighter. I'll probably go P2000, just because, but I don't believe there is any pressing reason to pick one over the other. (Of course, I would go LEM either way, but if I wanted a V1/9/whatever, a USPc would be a better choice.) |
Someone piss in your cornflakes today, sir???????? Skip over the "acting civil" class in school? Or, is ORinTX also worthy of your wrath:
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The only thing better about the USPC over the P2K IMO is that the USPC comes in .45. Otherwise they are both excellent firearms. I too do not care for DAO triggers and yes, I do have the P2K and P2KSK with the 5 pound LEM triggers and shoot them just as well as I do with the SA/DA triggers I have in the USPCs. I just don't like DAO. That is not a good thing or a bad thing, only a personal preference. Remember, the USPC can be had with the exact same LEM trigger that the P2K has. And, the P2K and the USPC are almost the same size. Unless you have the need for an ambi slide release or the changeable back straps I really do not see any advantage one has over the other with the same LEM trigger system. If the USPC fits you as well as mine fits me then I cannot find any reason to switch to the P2K, especially since the P2K does not come in .45. |
I personally find the USP to be the better handgun, not everything newer is automatically better. |
+1 If I could carry a P2k c&l, I might have kept mine. I can't stand LEM and I can't stand by trigger pull changing. |
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I agree with Big-Bore for the most part. The ambidextrious controls are a major plus as well as the grip inserts. I think the best thing about the P2000 is it's improved recoil spring/buffer assembly. It uses a flat spring, which cannot wonder over time as the spring wears. It also has a plastic buffer that keeps the spring from over extending, which prevents excessive wear. If you look at a USPF/C recoil spring side by side with a P2K spring you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. |