Posted: 5/9/2012 9:55:06 AM EDT
| I can get a H&K P7 PSP at a great price, like new condition and input would be great. I plan to use it as off duty carry. The magazines are a little pricey and round 8 rounds. |
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Any concerns with s[:(!safety, ammo, parts or things to check out before buy pistol. Is the gun new or used? Check the piston and make sure the rings are nice and sharp. Replacement parts are still available. Don't shoot any bullet heavier than 124 grains. |
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Positives: Extremely safe for carrying, accurate, easy to shoot well, great trigger, HK reliability, thin profile, and it's just plain cool!
Negatives: Heavy, low capacity for it's size/weight, not a good range gun due to it heating up quickly, expensive mags, sights are not easily changeable, lack of holster options (at least this was true when I bought mine) I bought one years ago to be my carry gun. I love it (it is my favorite pistol) and I shoot it far better than any other pistol that I own. Having said that, it is not my carry gun. The size/weight/capacity just can't compete with my old trusty Keltec P11  . I know that this is a travesty to say, but it's the truth.
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Its used. Can you reload the brass you fired from the gun? I heard something about heat issues when shooting. The gas heats up the part of the frame near the trigger. If you look at a picture of a P7 M8 next to a P7 PSP, you can see where a combination heat sink and insulator was added on the inside of the trigger guard. It can get pretty hot pretty quickly––YMMV. |
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Positives: Extremely safe for carrying, accurate, easy to shoot well, great trigger, HK reliability, thin profile, and it's just plain cool! Negatives: Heavy, low capacity for it's size/weight, not a good range gun due to it heating up quickly, expensive mags, sights are not easily changeable, lack of holster options (at least this was true when I bought mine) I bought one years ago to be my carry gun. I love it (it is my favorite pistol) and I shoot it far better than any other pistol that I own. Having said that, it is not my carry gun. The size/weight/capacity just can't compete with my old trusty Keltec P11 . I know that this is a travesty to say, but it's the truth.Heavy and low capacity, you mean unlike a 1911 which is heavier and holds one less round? Expensive mags––-built to last. Sights––tritium or no tritum. What other options are you looking for? Lack of holsters? Go the custom route which is what the majority of P7 owners do. As I wanted to know how hot the gun actually got, I fired 7 mags as fast as I could one after the other. It was uncomfortable and could feel the heat streaming out the trigger guard junction but was still able to shoot it if I shifted a few fingers. How can you compare a plastic $250 gun to a steel $1200 gun? What is the longevity of the P11? |
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[Heavy and low capacity, you mean unlike a 1911 which is heavier and holds one less round? Expensive mags––-built to last. Sights––tritium or no tritum. What other options are you looking for? Lack of holsters? Go the custom route which is what the majority of P7 owners do. As I wanted to know how hot the gun actually got, I fired 7 mags as fast as I could one after the other. It was uncomfortable and could feel the heat streaming out the trigger guard junction but was still able to shoot it if I shifted a few fingers. How can you compare a plastic $250 gun to a steel $1200 gun? What is the longevity of the P11? Slow down there. I love the P7. It is a fantastic gun. Just because I listed negatives of the PSP, doesn't mean that these are reasons not to buy it. All those things are negatives when compared to the "average" modern handgun. The OP asked for a review and I figured that he wanted an honest assessment of the P7 PSP. The mags are more expensive than that of the average handgun. Unless things have changed, you have to sendyour sights out to have tritium inserts installed. This is not as convenient as ordering sights and sliding them into the dovetails. I did order a custom holster. Had to wait 9 months to get it. Again, compared to other pistols, this is an inconvenience. Getting hot is a non-issue, as long as you bring another gun to the range to shoot and rotate between them. It is worth a mention when giving a negative list though. I do not believe that the Keltec P11 is superior to the P7; just said that for me, it works better as a carry gun. I paid $900 for my P7, $130 for extra mags, and $100 for a custom made holster for the P7 to become my carry gun. Believe me- I was pretty upset when I came to the realization that it wasn't going to replace my $250 P11. My Keltec has been 100% reliable, is easier to carry, and has a greater capacity (12 vs. 8). I just couldn't make the size and weight of the P7 work for me. Now that I will be carrying a diaper bag (Maxpedition EDC Verspack) around with me in a couple of months, I might try the P7 again. I never said a 1911 is a good carry gun. I certainly wouldn't carry one... |
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Ok, a new question. Do I need to buy the whole cleaning kit, the scrapper, brush and take down tool. Should I buy the take down tool. Mine came with the brush but not the carbon scaper or takedown tool. I made a takedown tool out of a scrap steel bracket and a bench grinder. Never bought a carbon scraper, although I probably will need to eventually. The brass brush cleans the gas cylinder, but you need the scraper to reach the back of the cyclinder. If neglected, the piston can eventually start to stick. HKparts.net sells a scraper/takedown combo tool for a good price: http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/P7-Gas-Cylinder-Cleaning-Tool-US-Made-209p2080.htm |
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Great gun, I can't stop buying the damn things! You can easily do more harm than good cleaning the gas cylinder, the rarely need to be cleaned. I wouldn't touch it unless you were having a problem w/function. They do get hot when fired rapidly- you can feel it heating up after 1 fast mag but it isn't an issue except maybe as a competition gun for which it isn't really suitable for anyway, though there are those that do. I carry one from time to time- when my 1911 is too bulky. Contrary to the pundits it makes a great defensive weapon, you just have to know how to use it:o) Did anybody mention that P7's are (in my experience) far more accurate that your avg. Browning sys, or variation thereof, moving barrel arrangement. The P7 is a SIMPLE fixed barrel, gas retarded blow-back system, few moving parts and a sweet trigger make for an accurate pistol. Also of note is that the grip angle is 110 degrees the magazines insert perpendicular to the barrel giving the bullet a much easier time of finding it's way into the chamber. All of these things combined make the P7 very reliable & accurate, not to mention safe pistols around. They're classic and becoming more valuable rapidly. There are many variations, even w/in the police/etc trade-in P7s. Too small; get an M13, too big; try the K3.
Chk out "The cult of the P7" online. Apologies for the rambling/poor writing- it's Sat...and late! J |
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Ok, a new question. Do I need to buy the whole cleaning kit, the scrapper, brush and take down tool. Should I buy the take down tool. The take down tool is not necessary in my experience.. You should be able to use the pressure of your thumb to turn the bushing. The scraper and brush is definitely required. |
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Ok, a new question. Do I need to buy the whole cleaning kit, the scrapper, brush and take down tool. Should I buy the take down tool. The take down tool is not necessary in my experience.. You should be able to use the pressure of your thumb to turn the bushing. The scraper and brush is definitely required. I use a brush made for a .270 rifle, and I use a narrow dental pick to scrape. +1 on the takedown tool. I have the tool, but I only have to use it on the PSP that I have that is in like new condition. The older guns that show more wear come apart easily and I can use the pressure of my thumb/finger to rotate the bushing. |
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I bought one then another, then another . . . .. Best 9mm carry gun IMO. The most accurate pistol I have ever shot including a Sig X5. Yes they get hot after you shoot 3 or 4 magazines one after the other but for a carry gun they are near perfect, again just my opinion. Buy it, if you don't like it I'll buy it for what you paid for it. |
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I bought one then another, then another . . . .. Best 9mm carry gun IMO. The most accurate pistol I have ever shot including a Sig X5. Yes they get hot after you shoot 3 or 4 magazines one after the other but for a carry gun they are near perfect, again just my opinion. Buy it, if you don't like it I'll buy it for what you paid for it. ME TOO !! Jackpot Its a conceal carry gun in my opinion... Don't think I'll be throwing 50 rds at them with it.....hell, don't even carry 50 with it....two extra mags, the mag in it and in the go hole...25.....I'm bugging out after that.. |
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You have to practice with the P7
It is an easy pistol to shoot yourself with if you insist on sticking finger in triggerguard before the gun is on target. The trigger pull is quite light and crisp once you squeeze the cocker grip. I own one P7, I don't plan on selling it, the gun is pleasantly accurate and fun to shoot but I don't consider these guns to be the best defensive handgun going either. |
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The P7 is unlike anything else and was way ahead of its time. It still possesses features unmatched my anything else. Being very different means it take some getting used to and getting familiar with it. I have a commercial purchased PSP P7 and I have seen some like new grade "A" police guns for good prices. I mainly carry a Glock 30 or 17. I pack the P7 when I want something more concealable. Its a fixed barrel automatic and has great accuracy and a nice trigger. In the event of a misfire you can simply re squeeze the cocking handle and re-strike the chambered round. Impossible to do with a Glock or striker fired pistol. The heel mag release does not bother me and mag changes are quick. I have night sights on the Glocks but never desired to have them on the P7.
The P7 M8 has the button mag release and a plastic heat shield above the trigger guard. I have fired mine with several mags and its never been uncomfortable or needed to put it down. If you find a nice example at a fair price get one. I doubt you will loose money on it in the long run. Mags are a little pricey but if your patient they pop up for around $50 each time to time. Holsters is the only draw back to the P7 if any. |