[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is She Done? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/11/2009 11:13:56 AM EDT
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Well i have 2 questions here:
1. Long story short I was fooling around with some 40 s&w HPs, and somehow forced one of the rounds deaper into the shell. Is this roung useless? I wouldnt fire it with out being insured by someone who has done it that there wont be any problems. I cycled it through my glock and it still cycles, but for now it will be in the mistakes dept. 2. I took a box of 100 40s&w HPs and in an attemp to make like a power ball round filled the holes up with a silcone sealant. My question is is this good or bad? I would assume that the rounds would still split open as HPs do since the silicone is so light it would be as if it werent even there. But then again i am far from an expert in this subject so thats why Im coming to the boards. Did I just waste 100 HPs? |
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1) Don't shoot a "set-back" round. Overpressure is a motherfucker.
2) Don't mess with ammunition. Best case, the silicon does nothing. Worst case, you create a situation where barrel obscruction could occur. 3) What the hell made you think you could improve/successfully alter the performance of factory ammunition? 
AND, I'm not smirking. I'm lol'ing. |
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3) What the hell made you think you could improve/successfully alter the performance of factory ammunition? Well runs with scissors, I believe that the only down side to the HP would be that the hollowd tip would create much more drag than a standard conical round. If you fill that void with a substance that will still allow for expansion, you are basiclly increasing the terminal velocity of the round therefore increasing the amount of energey which is finally deliverd to your target. There is always room from improvment. 
BTW, what makes you think they the silicone would cause a barrel obstruction? Only thing I could see would be after a few hundred rounds thet may start to melt. |
Any pics of these "silicone hollowpoints"? 
As running-with-scissors said, DO NOT SHOOT THAT AMMO! Any of it... Get a bullet puller tool used for handloading and remove those silicone bullets and set-back-bullet cartridges from the case. You may remove the silicone AFTER they're removed from the case and re-use them for handloads. |
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3) What the hell made you think you could improve/successfully alter the performance of factory ammunition? Well runs with scissors, I believe that the only down side to the HP would be that the hollowd tip would create much more drag than a standard conical round. If you fill that void with a substance that will still allow for expansion, you are basiclly increasing the terminal velocity of the round therefore increasing the amount of energey which is finally deliverd to your target. There is always room from improvment.
A caulking gun full of bathtup sealant is no safe, clinical way to improve upon this technology, or Federal, Remington, and Black hills would be selling them. 
The silicon, and it's method of application are not consistent. You fire 20-30 rounds, and reholster, replace targets, BS with your buddies. Meanwhile, the round that was chambered after your last shot has been sitting in a hot barrel, melted the Silicon, and has recooled, in God knows what disposition. Your next pull of the trigger could be the last. with that hand. |
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Well as far as "terminal velocity" of the round, the silicone won't do too much because it'll basically flow like a liquid at the temp and pressure that it will see when fired. This could basically become a "tailgate up, tailgate down" argument...
But this DOES remind me of Hornady's new Critical Defense ammo. Hornady Critical Defense it uses a "Flex Tip Bullet" that is supposed to prevent HP clogging with heavy clothing or barriers, but does nothing for "terminal velocity." 
I have actually held some of these rounds, and the tip is somewhat squishy like silicone but more firm. |
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Wow you guys are useless, you may find it funny and you are more than welcome to laugh but Id appreciate an answer along with your smirks. Ok, notice that I am not calling you an idiot. Also, filling up the empty gas between the ridges on your tire's treads with silicone will not result in better gripping of the road nor a quieter ride. Pushing the round deeper will cause an over pressure round and might blow up your gun. Throw it away. Putting silicone into your HP rounds isn't the dumbest thing I have ever heard, but it probably climbs into the top 200. The cavity is there for a reason. Plugging it defeats the purpose. Don't do it. Use a Q-tip to clean your ears, not a sharp object. Don't try to pet the tiger in the zoo. |
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3) What the hell made you think you could improve/successfully alter the performance of factory ammunition? Well runs with scissors, I believe that the only down side to the HP would be that the hollowd tip would create much more drag than a standard conical round. If you fill that void with a substance that will still allow for expansion, you are basiclly increasing the terminal velocity of the round therefore increasing the amount of energey which is finally deliverd to your target. There is always room from improvment.
BTW, what makes you think they the silicone would cause a barrel obstruction? Only thing I could see would be after a few hundred rounds thet may start to melt. My friend, i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i don't know how to reply to this...
Paging Zhukov! Let the engineers who researched, developed and tested this ammunition be responsible for the physics involved in creating a hollowpoint bullet that performs as advertised. They don't need any Bubba-ized "improving". This thread delivers! |
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Ok, while he didn't do the smartest couple of things, we have to remember something in his mind made him ASK before he FIRED any of these rounds.
This is the difference between us making fun of him on the internet and reading an online article about "the guy" that killed himself/blew his hand off because he modifed ammunition. Give him credit for asking. (Just remember, this is the difference between and F and an F+. That plus counts because he isn't hurt and MIGHT not do it again.) |
| why are you all picking on im for just messing around with ammo... 1. he didnt try firing it without researching what could go wrong in the first place. 2. what is wrong with a him toying around a little bit, he didnt cause any harm. how do you all think corbon pow'rball or hornady critical defense came about. BY PEOPLE PUTTING SHIT TOGETHER THEN DOING THE RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT IF ITS SAFE. at least he's using his brain and trying to figure something out instead of sitting on his ass all day critiquing other peoples intelligence. |
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As was mentioned above, don't shoot a round with the bullet set back deeper than it should be, it can cause an over pressure situation that could damage the gun and you. Next, the purpose of the PowRball ammo wasn't to reduce drag, it was to improve feeding in guns that won't feed hollow points. Filling the cavity with silicon sealer can't achieve the same thing, it's too soft. And if it comes out in the magazine, it could cause your gun to malfunction. Plus, you've now plugged up the hollow point, reducing it's effectiveness. And to all you comedians, you're the main reason I think the tech forums need to be more heavily moderated. Take your moronic bullshit, your stupid pictures and your idiotic smileys and get your asses over to GD where you belong. The man asked a question, a stupid one yes, but one that needed to be answered, not laughed at. |
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I don't know what the hell most of you were thinking when you posted your crap in this forum, but I'm PISSED. This is unacceptable behavior, and the FAQ/Rules clearly state that stomping on people is not permissible. While the OP's question may have sounded idiotic to you personally, you could have chosen to ignore it or posted something useful. I'm this close >< to putting everyone who participated in this on the warning list.  |
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Quoted: Well i have 2 questions here: 1. Long story short I was fooling around with some 40 s&w HPs, and somehow forced one of the rounds deaper into the shell. Is this roung useless? I wouldnt fire it with out being insured by someone who has done it that there wont be any problems. I cycled it through my glock and it still cycles, but for now it will be in the mistakes dept. 2. I took a box of 100 40s&w HPs and in an attemp to make like a power ball round filled the holes up with a silcone sealant. My question is is this good or bad? I would assume that the rounds would still split open as HPs do since the silicone is so light it would be as if it werent even there. But then again i am far from an expert in this subject so thats why Im coming to the boards. Did I just waste 100 HPs? Pav556C: In case it wasn't stated before - I got tired of all the BS replies - NEVER modify factory ammo. It's dangerous, and you will not improve its performance. Chances are that the silicone is going to make the bullet wobble, as it won't be perfect centered. Could you shoot it? Probably. Will it perform well? Doubt it. See if you can pull the silicone out without damaging the ammo. Set-back bullets are also a definite no-no as I'm sure someone else has pointed out already. |
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I don't know what the hell most of you were thinking when you posted your crap in this forum, but I'm PISSED. This is unacceptable behavior, and the FAQ/Rules clearly state that stomping on people is not permissible. While the OP's question may have sounded idiotic to you personally, you could have chosen to ignore it or posted something useful. I'm this close >< to putting everyone who participated in this on the warning list. The OP is a troll my friend, a common troll. and he trolled you good bc as a mod you were to make sure he didnt get bashed, but that what he wanted, so you essentially gave him what he wanted, you to rage about something he started (his post). His last post in the thread: Quoted:
Why not, I just threw em in the washing machine, and now im gonna throw em in the dyrer. Worked pretty well. its smelled like a troll to me right off the bat, low post count and a topic to spark a lot of talk bc its so unbeleivable someone would do that or think it was OK to do that. his last post sealed the deal. classic. |
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Quoted: its smelled like a troll to me right off the bat, low post count and a topic to spark a lot of talk bc its so unbeleivable someone would do that or think it was OK to do that. his last post sealed the deal. classic. Here's the deal: If the OP is indeed a troll, then HIT THE FRIGGIN' REPORT button and let ME take care of it. Once it escalates into a bunch of people acting like jerks, I don't have a choice; someone else's trolling does not excuse y'all's behavior. |
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its smelled like a troll to me right off the bat, low post count and a topic to spark a lot of talk bc its so unbeleivable someone would do that or think it was OK to do that. his last post sealed the deal. classic. Here's the deal: If the OP is indeed a troll, then HIT THE FRIGGIN' REPORT button and let ME take care of it. Once it escalates into a bunch of people acting like jerks, I don't have a choice; someone else's trolling does not excuse y'all's behavior. Ok, as long as you realize it was sparked by trolling, not just people being douchebags (albiet with douchebag tendencies). Your responsibilties seem stressful to say the least, thanks though. |
