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10/21/2006 4:03:49 PM EDT
Gold Dots that come in the old Gold boxes and the new stuff that comes in the black and purple boxes? Is it just different packaging or is there a real difference between the two?
10/21/2006 5:37:02 PM EDT
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10/21/2006 7:32:33 PM EDT
[#2]
anyone?
10/21/2006 8:37:17 PM EDT
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Old fashioned tagaroo, no hijack, just curious myself.
10/21/2006 9:28:26 PM EDT
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10/22/2006 10:12:39 PM EDT
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10/22/2006 10:38:00 PM EDT
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10/22/2006 10:39:48 PM EDT
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10/23/2006 5:43:06 AM EDT
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I believe that they are both the same round but when bought in 20rd boxes they come in a black box and when bought in 50rd boxes they come in a gold box. I have not seen any other differences.
10/23/2006 5:48:50 AM EDT
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Give Speer a call and ask.
10/23/2006 5:57:09 AM EDT
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I just talked to CCI/SPEER and they stated there is no difference other than quantity in the boxes. The black boxes usually go to gun stores and the 50rd boxes usually go to LE dealers.
10/23/2006 6:54:45 AM EDT
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I need a box of fitty!
10/23/2006 11:29:10 AM EDT
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I need a box of fitty!


www.streichers.com/Default.aspx
Best price I have seen.
10/23/2006 12:22:32 PM EDT
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I need a box of fitty!


www.streichers.com/Default.aspx
Best price I have seen.


w00t!
10/23/2006 3:05:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Thanks for the link, I bought a box of 50 at the Wanenmacher show last weekend for $20, this will help until I can get back to the one in April.
10/24/2006 8:41:20 AM EDT
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The Speer Gold Dots are less at www.miragetechnologies.net , at least for the 9mm. They also sell the 50 rd boxes. Not sure how shipping would factor in for either of them though.
10/26/2006 11:55:49 AM EDT
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Actually, there is a difference. The gold boxes are the old stuff and the black is the newer stuff. The gold boxed stuff had fewer petals I believe and not as much expansion. I think the person at CCI must have been a more recent hire. There were several old GlockTalk posts about this probably 2 years ago that went into detail, but I can't find them now.
10/26/2006 2:24:09 PM EDT
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I just talked to CCI/SPEER and they stated there is no difference other than quantity in the boxes. The black boxes usually go to gun stores and the 50rd boxes usually go to LE dealers.


I got this same info from Speer about a year ago when I picked some up.  They said the only difference was the packaging and the part number.  The box of 50 has a 5 in the part # where the box of 20 has a 2.

I'll have to get one of the boxes of 20 and compare the petals???
10/26/2006 4:51:06 PM EDT
[#18]

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Actually, there is a difference. The gold boxes are the old stuff and the black is the newer stuff. The gold boxed stuff had fewer petals I believe and not as much expansion. I think the person at CCI must have been a more recent hire. There were several old GlockTalk posts about this probably 2 years ago that went into detail, but I can't find them now.


Can anyone else confirm this?
10/26/2006 6:54:10 PM EDT
[#19]
FYI, some of the later stuff in gold boxes is the new stuff. Pics were posted of each style of 9mm both old and new in one of those GT threads so I know that was the case...several years ago at least. My gold box was the same as my current stuff but was a later lot #. I too called CCI about this and they confirmed at the time giving me lot #'s for comparison.
10/27/2006 11:08:14 AM EDT
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IIRC, the "old style" Gold Dot bullet had 8 serrations, while the "new style" has 6.  

I use quotes here because that particular design change was made 7 or 8 years ago...
10/27/2006 2:47:55 PM EDT
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IIRC, the "old style" Gold Dot bullet had 8 serrations, while the "new style" has 6.  

I use quotes here because that particular design change was made 7 or 8 years ago...


Funny, hmm, My 230gr 45 acp has 7 serrations.
10/27/2006 6:04:32 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
IIRC, the "old style" Gold Dot bullet had 8 serrations, while the "new style" has 6.  

I use quotes here because that particular design change was made 7 or 8 years ago...


Funny, hmm, My 230gr 45 acp has 7 serrations.


D'oh!   Should have specified that the 8 to 6 serration change was for the 9mm GDHPs.  

My bad.


ETA:
Found mention of the design change in a few places, including an older entry at firearmstactical.com quoted below.  It does not indicate any differences between caliber - just a shift from 8 to 6 serrations.
"However, be advised that 1997/98 tests of CCI-Speer Gold Dot ammunition are of the most recent (newest) production design. Tests conducted prior to 1997 involve a previous generation. The new generation Gold Dot bullet can be visually distinguished by the presence of six serrations along the rim of the hollow cavity as well as a nickel-plated case, whereas the older generation Gold Dot bullets have eight serrations and a brass case."

After reading dilligaff's post (and sensing imminent foot in mouth), I went down and took a look at the 45 that I have (also 230gr) - some about 2 years old in the 20 round black boxes, more new production in 50 round gold boxes, and all do indeed have 7 serrations.  My 124gr 9mm definately has 6, as does the 135gr .38.  Unfortunately, I dont have any other GDHPs here to physically look at other than these 3, nor do I have anything in gold 20 round boxes.

Now I too am curious as to whether there was another change in the GDHP 45 bullet (did it go from 8 to 6 to 7 serrations?), or whether the 45 was ever changed at all.  

In other words, I think what I've done is confirmed that there was a change, but that I personally can't confirm jack sh*t about what it was beyond the combination of what I recall, the information from the link above, and physical observation of the 3 loads that I have in the house.  

Sorry to muddy the waters.  
10/27/2006 7:10:15 PM EDT
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OK, went and checked my other rounds, 124gr +P 9mm-6 serrations, 125gr .357 magnum-6 serrations, these are all from the gold colored 50 round boxes.