Posted: 4/22/2006 5:42:26 PM EDT
| is the S&W sigma in 40 caliber a good gun for combat? I heard it was a similar glock copy, so is it as good as a glock or not? They are cheap and feels nice but i havent shot one yet. I plan to get me a glock 22 or a sigma 40 cal. |
Combat in what region???????? One almost always gets what one pays for in gun, IMO. While the Sigma does just fine for CCW & whatnot, I don't think that would be my first choice for going to Iraq or Lebanon. My .o2 |
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The new Sigmas are excellent guns. I have owned or been issued 10 of them so far and have not had a single malfunction out of any Enhanced Sigma. I've shot tens of thousands of rounds through them, and they were mostly cast bullet reloads. I used to own five Glocks and have traded them all away now. Between the Sigmas, my 3rd Generation S&W autos, and even a stray Sig P220 in there, I have absolutely no use for a Glock anymore. Any pistol that is not only inaccurate with cast bullets, but may also blow up in your hand if you shoot them, in combination of their extreme lack of chamber support, polygonal rifling, ability to fire WAY too far out of battery, and a grip angle where you need a birth defect to feel it's a natural pointer, I have no use for. The Sigma will do anything a Glock will, and more comfortably and safer, too. Are the the "best" choice for a defensive piece? No, not IMO, but they will get the job done. Some say they are cheaper, so they can't be as good. Funny, Glock's LE cost is around $300 per pistol, so does that make their LE guns of lower quality than their guns targeted for consumer sales? Glock is so popular because they practically give, and in some cases DO actually give, their pistols to LE agencies. Then, they charge the non-LE consumer an extremely inflated price to make up the difference. Between that and the best marketing department in the industry, Glock manages to continue to sell their now outdated product to a huge amount of consumers. Instead of S&W selling their guns at a high price and making a high profit like Glock does, they sell their pistols at a reasonable price and make a modest profit. You are right, the Sigma and Glock are extremely similar in design, so are we really supposed to believe that it costs Glock over $200 more to make their pistol? Not a chance. |
its really all about opinion, i personally dont like smiths at all and am a glock fan. The msrp of a glock is not much more expensive than a smith and wesson price and in some cases seems to be relatively the same. You pay for what you get. |
I'm not talking about MSRP, I'm talking about actual gunshop prices, which more closely reflect delaer cost. When was the last time you saw new Glocks being sold for between $279-309? I don't buy into the "you pay for what you get". Yes, the ONLY thing the Glock has over the Sigma is a lighter trigger pull. The Sigma has ergonomics, cut rifling, chamber support, and will not fire out of battery.
With aftermarket barrels, a .40 Sigma is also convertable. |
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I have a 40VE, it goes bang just like my Glocks everytime. For the price they are a fine weapon. Are they as good as H&K, Sig, Wilson,Kimber, no. I keep the 40VE in my truck all the time. It it 15-16 round capacity, durable, reliable. Did, I mention it can be had under $300.00. I stuck an M-4 light on it, I do not feel as though I am at a tactical disadvantage, if I where to have to use it in self defense. I do not knock a firearm until I actually own one and shoot it. For the money it is a sound platform that can be had cheap. Another overlooked quality weapon is the Desert Eagle/IMI/ Baby eagle in .45/9mm/.40. I own them, they are rock solid and perform well and are accurate. But I have to admit I shoot my G-21's more than any I own. |
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I own a SW40VE that I've put a little more then 2k rounds through, and I'm going to venture the opinion that given the oppertunity to go back and purchase the same gun, or a G22, I think I'de pick the G22. I just dont "like" the Sigma's trigger. Its smoothed out quite a bit since I first got it, but its still pretty crappy. |
    
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Somewhat, I would agree, but each gun has its threshold of limits. It just so happens that a Sigma's limits are going to be lower than a Beretta, Sig, etc. For a gun half the price as the others, it's not missing too much on accuracy, IMO. |
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I have owned both Sigmas and Glocks I like the Sigmas grip angle MUCH better than the glock! It just naturally points so much better than the Glock which requires me to dip my wrist (No I'll withhold inserting jokes about "Limp Wristed Euro Trash" here thank you very much!!) I nver had a malfunction or any breakage in my S&W Sigma 40's. Glocks are hell for reliable in my experience, and as the LEO standard, the mags and accessories are widely available. The sigma's were not as popular, and I remember them being sold a near give way prices in the mid 90's ($250 including 2 pre-ban 15 round .40 mags - this at the time of Klintons stupid 10 round rule!) Both Good guns - Best to hold each and see how it points in reference to your grip. BIGGER_HAMMER 
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About what? What did I write that you feel is not true? Yes, it's true that I prefer S&W autos over most other brands. I've owned five Glocks, several Sigs, Berettas, Kahr's, Rugers, Colts, Springfield Armory etc. I find that S&W's fit me the best, and I can shoot them just as well, actually better, than most anything else. If you like your Glocks, great. IMO, they may be usually reliable, as long as you are not NYPD, LAPD, or Holyoke, MA PD (all have had serious problems with 9mm and .45 Glocks), but they are uncomfortable to shoot and not safe with some ammo. If there's something you don't understand, I'll be happy to explain it to you. But, this should do it for you. Go to any search engine and type in "Glock Kaboom". Then, type in "Sigma Kaboom". Maybe you'll understand after that. 
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You can never say "never" when it comes to a Glock Kaboom, but I see no reason to worry about it with Wolf ammo. The only variables you need to worry about with Kabooms are with reloaded ammo due to the lack of chamber support in Glock barrels, cast bullet ammo, which can cause excessively high chamber pressures due to fouling, which can possibly rupture the unsupported portion of the case, and if the slide did not go fully into battery. This last one is really the only one you need to worry about when it comes to factory ammo. If the slide is out of battery, the Glock design will still fire the round, but a large portion of the rear of the case (all around this time, not just at the 6 o'clock position) is unsupported, which can cause a case to rupture and KB. Shooting any quality factory ammo, including Wolf, is as safe as you can be shooting a Glock. It's EXTREMELY rare for a Glock to KB with factory ammo, although not unheard of. Statistically, I would think you are more likely to get struck by lightening than KB a Glock with currently produced factory ammo. Manufacturers had to redesign some .40 cases due to Glocks. Older Federal Hydra Shocks were KB-ing Glocks due to the lack of chamber support. Glock, and Glock finatics blamed Federal's brass. Funny, they didn't KB any other brand of handgun, only Glocks. If you want to shoot Glocks, just shoot quality factory ammo, which Wolf is, and you shouldn't have a problem. |