Posted: 6/30/2007 7:30:12 AM EDT
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Beretta 92F, unknown age but I bought it used (ex-police issue) about 10 or 12 years ago. Unknown number of rounds through it although I haven't put more than about 600 to 800 through it. Gun is kept clean and in good working condition. No known defects and no prior problems. Just completed a 40 hour tactical handgun course this week at Firearms Academy of Seattle - GREAT COURSE!  However, during the week I fired around 1400 rounds of WWB 124 FMJ and had three occurances of failure to eject causing the next round to be picked up out the magazine and jamed into the case still in the chamber. This gave me some real practical experience at clearing a malfunction in the tactical drills but it worries me a bit as I've never had this happen before or even heard of it in a Beretta 92. Another Beretta 92 in the class has similiar problems - more than me even.  Also, on a couple of occasions during a speed load when I slammed the full magazine into the pistol the slide released on it's own. I don't think I hit the slide release but I may have without noticing it.  Anyone have any thoughts on either of these events  TIA |
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Being that the pistol is older, my first guess would be weak extractor spring, or worn/dirty extractor. On the slide closing issue, I would say this: If you are slamming the mag into ANY autoloading pistol hard enough, the momentum will unlock the slide release. This practice is never good, and causes problems. Any more than a firm push on the bottom of the magazine is overkill and should be avoided. I have seen guys do this and I never understand the logic behind it. Just my 2 cents. |
+1 Sums it up, IMO. |
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1. The Failure to Extract, which is different than the Failure to Eject, is a tricky problem. I just got one of those in today to fix. I looked at the weapon and it looked clean until I pulled the Extractor off. The dirt built up under the extractor until it would not clip into the case rim every time. If I can figure out how to put a picture on here I can show you better than explain. I believe every Beretta should be taken all the way down and cleaned and springs checked once a year. I have about 2,400 in my section that I do. I know how hard it is to check all of them. I only get 400 to 500 done a year. If you get a good dental pick you can reach along the slide face and the extractor hook and get that area clean. If you don't it packs back into the extractor channel and you don't even see it. 2. The slide releasing with a reload is something all the guys try to do on the range. They SLAM a magazine into the weapon and the slide moves enough for the Slide Stop lever to drop. They rush it and think they get a faster reload that way. The problem with that is it also moves the rounds back and forth in the magazine. Then they are not all seated to the rear now. I have done it myself when I start shooting Tactical Shoots. I get all excited and don't notice the amount of force I'm using to seat my magazine. Take your weapon to a good Beretta Armorer and have him change out the Extractor Spring. When he takes off the extractor you can check for dirt under the extractor. It wouldn't hurt to change the recoil spring either. They are cheap. Now lets see if I can add photos??? |
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I contacted Beretta USA about my 92f problems. I learned that my pistol was manufactured in the Beretta MD plant in April 1989 - that's interesting. Beretta customer service suggested that three malfunctions in 1200 - 1400 rounds may not be unusual for a gun this old with an unknown number of rounds in it's history. They did suggest, however, that I may want to take it to a gunsmith knowledgeable about Beretta 92 handguns for a check up / check out. I would like to sent it back to Beretta for complete refurbishment but handguns have to be sent next day air and the shipping costs would be well over $100. I do have access to a simi-local gunsmith who works on Beretta 92s so I think I'll take it to him and put the $100 shipping costs into gun work and parts. I'm going to have him disassemble the gun for a thorough cleaning ($85), replace the ejector spring and replace the ejector if it's worn ($65/hr plus parts) as well as anything else he finds that needs attention. In the meantime, I will order a new recoil spring. Anything else I should pay particular attention to? TIA |
I don't know who quoted you this amount, but you're getting ripped off. NDA frt is normally in the $20-30 range per handgun. Keep in mind, it is the freight company requirment & NOT the LAW. 
A new mainspring wouldn't hurt, IMO. A spring pack from Wolff Gunsprings would be your best bet there, IMO. Around $12-14 per pack, IIRC? |