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3/17/2007 8:50:48 PM EDT
I own an American made 92FS, and love it.  Never had any problems with it.  Today, I was at a fun store, and saw that they had an Italian made 92FS.  The finish looked a lot nicer than mine when it was new.  Interesting.  I asked to look at it, and I examined it.  I racked the slide, and the action just feels so much smoother than mine.  

What's the deal?  Are the Italian made ones actually better made?  
3/17/2007 9:22:08 PM EDT
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Hard to say my M9 is smoooth as butter.  Just as smooth as the Italian ones I have held/used.
3/18/2007 1:23:31 AM EDT
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I've never noticed any difference to be honest.

The current Italian guns seem the same as the USA made ones to me.

There might be a difference in the older guns, but I couldn't tell you what the difference would be if there was one.
3/18/2007 11:00:02 AM EDT
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the italian guns are of nicer quality. I've had the opportunity to fire an italian 92f alongside my m9 and can vouche that the cycling and firing of the 92f was much much smoother. Less recoil, somewhat tighter slide to frame fit and of much nicer finish. I have a very low opinion of the American berettas. I think I've stated this once before in here when comparing Beretta USA to a roadside diner and Beretta Valtropia to a nice upscale restaurant. In the end you get the same functional quality overall, but the italians have a much higher amount of pride in their work than Beretta USA does.
3/18/2007 5:02:36 PM EDT
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I've never noticed any difference to be honest.

The current Italian guns seem the same as the USA made ones to me.

There might be a difference in the older guns, but I couldn't tell you what the difference would be if there was one.



+1

I have yet to see/feel any difference in any of the eye-talians & my US-made 92FS.............
3/19/2007 3:28:21 AM EDT
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I have a 92F and a new production M9.  I can tell no difference in the two in fit, finish or functionality (except when the 92F has the D model mainspring installed)....
3/19/2007 7:46:59 AM EDT
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the italian guns are of nicer quality. I've had the opportunity to fire an italian 92f alongside my m9 and can vouche that the cycling and firing of the 92f was much much smoother. Less recoil, somewhat tighter slide to frame fit and of much nicer finish. I have a very low opinion of the American berettas. I think I've stated this once before in here when comparing Beretta USA to a roadside diner and Beretta Valtropia to a nice upscale restaurant. In the end you get the same functional quality overall, but the italians have a much higher amount of pride in their work than Beretta USA does.


With you already having a low opinion of where a weapon is manufactures, that makes you pre-disposed to disliking something even if there is in fact is no difference.  My M9 is tight, and well kept.  Were both of these weapons Fresh out of the box when you test fired?  How many rounds were put through each?  How was the maintenance on them?  Owned by the same person?  Same year?
3/20/2007 8:32:44 PM EDT
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the italian guns are of nicer quality. I've had the opportunity to fire an italian 92f alongside my m9 and can vouche that the cycling and firing of the 92f was much much smoother. Less recoil, somewhat tighter slide to frame fit and of much nicer finish. I have a very low opinion of the American berettas. I think I've stated this once before in here when comparing Beretta USA to a roadside diner and Beretta Valtropia to a nice upscale restaurant. In the end you get the same functional quality overall, but the italians have a much higher amount of pride in their work than Beretta USA does.


With you already having a low opinion of where a weapon is manufactures, that makes you pre-disposed to disliking something even if there is in fact is no difference.  My M9 is tight, and well kept.  Were both of these weapons Fresh out of the box when you test fired?  How many rounds were put through each?  How was the maintenance on them?  Owned by the same person?  Same year?


ironically enough, where it is made has nothing to do with it since i have a VERY high opinion of smith and wesson handguns and funny enough they're made in America. The italian 92fs stainless had about 2,500 rounds through it I believe judging from what I saw from it. It was a quick shoot, but the difference in quality was there. The m9 was about 700 rounds in. Maintenance on both was about the same. my m9 was cleaned before the shoot and the 92fs was cleaned since I was the one who put the first rounds through it. No not the same year. the italian 92fs was an older manufacture since they're not available here anymore unless you got one of the recent blued finished guns.
3/22/2007 2:02:39 PM EDT
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odd double post, this one was removed.  
By Myself
3/22/2007 2:03:25 PM EDT
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the italian guns are of nicer quality. I've had the opportunity to fire an italian 92f alongside my m9 and can vouche that the cycling and firing of the 92f was much much smoother. Less recoil, somewhat tighter slide to frame fit and of much nicer finish. I have a very low opinion of the American berettas. I think I've stated this once before in here when comparing Beretta USA to a roadside diner and Beretta Valtropia to a nice upscale restaurant. In the end you get the same functional quality overall, but the italians have a much higher amount of pride in their work than Beretta USA does.


With you already having a low opinion of where a weapon is manufactures, that makes you pre-disposed to disliking something even if there is in fact is no difference.  My M9 is tight, and well kept.  Were both of these weapons Fresh out of the box when you test fired?  How many rounds were put through each?  How was the maintenance on them?  Owned by the same person?  Same year?


ironically enough, where it is made has nothing to do with it since i have a VERY high opinion of smith and wesson handguns and funny enough they're made in America. The italian 92fs stainless had about 2,500 rounds through it I believe judging from what I saw from it. It was a quick shoot, but the difference in quality was there. The m9 was about 700 rounds in. Maintenance on both was about the same. my m9 was cleaned before the shoot and the 92fs was cleaned since I was the one who put the first rounds through it. No not the same year. the italian 92fs was an older manufacture since they're not available here anymore unless you got one of the recent blued finished guns.


I went ahead and selected the portion where I was refering to where you cared where a gun was manufactured in red.  So what did you shoot a 92f or a 92fs stainless?  This is highlighted in yellow.  You changed the description in the second post.  Could one have had a different spring / worn out?  Seeing as how your weapon had about 1/3rd the rounds the other one had.  The more you fire your weapon the more your weapon is going to cut its own grooves into its self.  
3/26/2007 11:32:12 AM EDT
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What's the deal?  Are the Italian made ones actually better made?  



I like the Italian made beretta 92FS and 8040/8000 models better....their more sexy
3/26/2007 6:18:28 PM EDT
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I've owned both and feel the Italian examples I've owned were slightly better finished - in overal finish quality. In the grand scheme of things, however, it was no huge difference. All of the Beretta's I've owned have shot pretty much the same - smooth, accurate, and utterly reliable. I will say that the Italian 92FS models (not 92F) are somewhat hard to find these days due to their limited numbers.
3/26/2007 7:39:20 PM EDT
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I had a chance to handle the new italian 92fs at the gunshow. quality has gone DOWN! I'm sad.
3/28/2007 5:22:21 AM EDT
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I had a chance to handle the new italian 92fs at the gunshow. quality has gone DOWN! I'm sad.


I think this is a general statement that applies to most firearms of recent manufacture.  The older vintage ones seem better made.

Dan
3/28/2007 6:47:00 PM EDT
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I had a chance to handle the new italian 92fs at the gunshow. quality has gone DOWN! I'm sad.


I think this is a general statement that applies to most firearms of recent manufacture.  The older vintage ones seem better made.

Dan


yeah. the barrels are now just anodized. no more bruniton finish on them like the old ones. plastic parts to cut down cost. eh.... kinda depressing.
7/4/2007 9:15:30 PM EDT
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I had a chance to handle the new italian 92fs at the gunshow. quality has gone DOWN! I'm sad.


I think this is a general statement that applies to most firearms of recent manufacture.  The older vintage ones seem better made.

Dan


yeah. the barrels are now just anodized. no more bruniton finish on them like the old ones. plastic parts to cut down cost. eh.... kinda depressing.


What is bruniton anyway?
7/6/2007 10:00:41 AM EDT
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I had a chance to handle the new italian 92fs at the gunshow. quality has gone DOWN! I'm sad.


I think this is a general statement that applies to most firearms of recent manufacture.  The older vintage ones seem better made.

Dan


yeah. the barrels are now just anodized. no more bruniton finish on them like the old ones. plastic parts to cut down cost. eh.... kinda depressing.


What is bruniton anyway?
it's kind of like gunkote. or k-kote as to what you see on the older sigs.