Posted: 11/27/2005 1:23:23 PM EDT
| Noticed that Beretta has gone to a plastic guide rod.Was wondering if anyone had any bad expereinces with it in th emodel 92 fs. |
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I read an article stating that many of the people in Iraq have been swopping their guide rods on the M9s for the plastic ones - apparently it works better in a sand environment when sand gets into the gun. They also put tape over the holes in the mag for that reason too. I briefly had a Inox Vertec earlier this year - didn't like it as much as my regular 92FS. But, I had no issues w/ the guiderod. Look at all the other guns that use them. |
| My glock has a metal sleeve over the plastic. I had a plastic guide rod pop apart in a Sigma and that left a bad taste in my mouth for them and am looking for a steel one for my Couger 8040. I replaced my plastic rod in my CZ97B with a metal one also. The system in the 92 may not be a one piece set up though like in my Couger or Sigma. The 92 I have has a steel guide rod. |
Never had a problem with them, in Glock or in the Beretta.
Yeah, I stripped the pistol and took a closer look.. The trigger lever is plastic, but has a small metal part mated to it at the pivot. I also noticed the magazine release is plastic. Sad to see they are going el cheapo on the commerical variants. |
I suspect you'd have an argument on your hands if you said that to a materials scientist. Depending on the application, plastics are a much better fit than metals. Just saying a switch to plastic from metal is "cheap" is mere opinion. I have never seen an objective and factual discussion on the internet that indicates the reasoning behind Beretta's decision to make some parts one material over another. Personal opinion is one thing. If you don't like plastic, thats great. Good for you. But don't present your opinion as some sort of well researched fact. Face it, plastic is the material of choice in some situations, metal in others. Define a well researched problem with plastic parts and we'll probably believe you. Express your opinion only and we might nod our heads in agreement, but we won't know if you are right or not. To paraphrase a recently popular movie, Show me the science! |
| I have worked with various palstics and advanced composites and manufacturing and most of the plastic I see that gun parts are made out of is for cheaper manufacturing not a higher quality product. That is my opinion based on experiance and a failed plastic guide rod. I do like a lot of the polymere pistols frames but most of the internal palstic parts look and feel cheap to me. |
I agree. |
blah blah blah. Take a chill pill. I didn't present anything as a well researched fact. All I said was I think it's sad to see Beretta going el cheapo on the parts, and cost is the primary reason to use plastic where metal was formerly used. |
Chemist no. Mechanic that works with plastics, boron, kevlar and other fun stuff yes. I have assembled, repaired and help manufacture parts made out of this stuff. Once again I like most of the polymer framed pistols but still think the internal plastic parts I have seen are for manufacturing costs not to improve the pistol. I do agree that plastics can be better but most of the stuff I have seen does no impress me. I do and did not work whith it when it was new in a lab. I saw how well and how well it did not stand up to abuse. So far as I said my Glock is the only one I have seen that I like because it has a sleeve that will help the one piece set up from popping apart. When you pull your guide rod out of your pistol and it is shaped like a banana it is because they were saving money not giving you a better pistol. |
Good point duckdawg. Ive owned and have been issued Berettas for the last 15 years.On the latest one I noticed the plastic parts.The trigger,guide rod and the mag release.While both materials may be equaly strong and benifital in diffrent ways, comming in with the new and out with old always raises questions and concerns.Ive always been a firm believer if its not broke dont fix it.Nice thing about the 92 is there are alot of them out there.I managed to grab a trigger,mag release and complete spring kit with the guide rod for $50.00.But like you said its all personal opinion and I just wanted to see if anyone had any adverse issues with the changes. |
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Quoted: Take a chill pill. Yeah, you're probably right. I'm just sick of seeing anti-Beretta troll posts. Not that yours was one, but the trigger finger gets touchy after a while  I have fired thousands of rounds in my 92FS with a plastic guide rod and it is holding up just fine. Perhaps it is cheaper to make, but from what I've seen it hasn't negatively affected the performance of an excellent weapon. |
| I love my Berettas. They are the smoothest pistols I own and my Couger is my dedicated carry pistol. My 92 is all metal for the most part but my Couger has plastic parts. I am not anti Beretta at all but I would prefer a steel guide rod in any pistol I own because I did have one fail. I think most pistols come with a plastic guide rod now with some being better than others. |
Rgr, don't get the wrong impression. I am an M9 apologist of the best sort. I carried them in the Marine Corps, and I carry one now. I think they are very accurate, very reliable (when good mags are used), and very nice shooting; albeit a little big and bulky for what they are. |
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It may be a poor choice of words to call the plastic parts cheap, but it s still just as valid of an argument to claim that Beretta replaces metal parts with plastic to save money as it is to say that the plastic parts work better or are more appropriate than the metal ones. Beretta is a business out to make money. Never forget that. One way to reduce costs during manufacturing and thus increase profit is to replace parts with lower cost alternatives that work good enough not to hinder function or durability significantly, or ideally, that work as good or better. As an Economics major, I can tell you that profit is a very strong and primary factor in all production decisions. Beretta's management would be unfit for their job if they did not do everything they could to maximize profit. Beretta is not in business to just sell us all wonderful firearms, but rather to make products that consumers will buy and thus earn money for the owners/investors/stockholders. It just so happens that there is a market for pistols, rifles and shotguns and that they have the knowlegde and production capacity to produce those products and fill that demand. If one day Beretta or any other firearms company could make vastly more profit and have a competitive advantage making some other product, you would not see another firearm leave their factory. I hate to be the greedy capitalist pig, but business is business. 
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Yes, Brownells sells them.www.brownells.com Wolff Beretta guide rods for 92/96. $24.95 Item # 969-000-077 for blued version # 969-000-078 for SS version |
| I took my couger to the range today and I noticed how much my plastic guide rod is getting chewed up. If Beretta does not have a steel guide rod I am going to shell out the $$$ and have one made by a machinist I know. He made me one for my Sigma that worked fantastic and even made it a one piece set up like the factory one. This is my carry pistol and I do not want cheap plastic stuff that is getting chewed up in it. The pistol is worth the money to me and after looking at the PX4 I am certainly sticking with my Couger. |