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6/8/2007 2:56:14 AM EDT
My department issues Sig P229 (with tac rail).

We have used and carried the P229 series for a few years, with great results.

Within the last month, 5 different officers have reported guide rod spring failure (of course, with 5 different handguns).

By this I mean the middle of the spring has 'ballooned' out, or greatly expanded.

Anyone else experiencing this problem?

6/8/2007 5:16:40 AM EDT
[#1]
No but I Steve might have a solution.
SS GUIDE ROD

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6/8/2007 5:40:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Thanks but aftermarket items and accessories are not really allowed on duty weapons.

The 'defective' parts have been replaced.

I was just trying to figure out if this is a common problem and/or what could have caused the failure(s).
6/8/2007 11:31:04 AM EDT
[#3]
If I read this correctly the springs went bad, right?

If so, just replace the springs.  Something that should be done on most autos every few thousand rounds.   Just like new shocks for your car.


6/8/2007 2:27:36 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
If I read this correctly the springs went bad, right?

If so, just replace the springs.  Something that should be done on most autos every few thousand rounds.   Just like new shocks for your car.




The springs went bad because they FAILED and are defective.

I have 75% less rounds through my P229, than I do on my H&K USP40 (which is 12 years old compared to a 2 year old Sig). The spring on the H&K looks great and performs great.

The spring on the Sigs failed, they did not go bad. This kind of failure could be VERY bad in a duty issued weapon, when lives are put on the line and we rely on our weapons.

Both ends of the spring look normal and look fine. The center of the spring completely ballooned and mushroomed out.

I will get some pics.

6/8/2007 8:40:40 PM EDT
[#5]
How many rounds on these springs?
6/8/2007 8:48:26 PM EDT
[#6]
I think the key question is when was the last time those springs were changed?  Do you drive your car until the engine siezes before changing the oil?  Of course not. Same thing with recoil springs.  They need to be changed on a regular schedule as part of normal maintenance.

I certainly hope it isn't that the springs had NEVER been replaced and the guns had been fired for 4, 5, 10 years on the original factory recoil springs!!

Now if the springs let go within 1,000 rounds of being replaced then that would suggest a defect.
6/9/2007 5:12:03 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I think the key question is when was the last time those springs were changed?  Do you drive your car until the engine siezes before changing the oil?  Of course not. Same thing with recoil springs.  They need to be changed on a regular schedule as part of normal maintenance.

I certainly hope it isn't that the springs had NEVER been replaced and the guns had been fired for 4, 5, 10 years on the original factory recoil springs!!

Now if the springs let go within 1,000 rounds of being replaced then that would suggest a defect.


My H&K has the original, stock spring without ANY issues or problems. The H&K is 10-12 years old, with thousands or rounds through it.

Our department had the original P229 for 5+ years. Exactly two years ago, the PD bought all new P229 handguns, with the tac rail. I would estimate as little as 500 rounds have been through them (just depends on how much each officers shoots, other than going through the 48 round standard qualification course).
6/10/2007 7:23:44 PM EDT
[#8]
Um, you need to replace the springs in the HK too. Springs wear out and fail. They are $8/ea. They do not just simply fail w/o use. How about some pictures.

A good place to buy OEM Sig springs is at topgunsupply.com. Wolff makes great aftermarket springs.