Posted: 8/3/2011 9:58:36 AM EDT
| so I turn 21 in about a week and although I live in the great state of NY which will undoubtedly make my wait for a ccw permit close to another year long, I am already thinking about what my first handgun should be. I want a sig 229r in 9mm for carry but for home defense I'd rather have a .40. I thought I remembered seeing a package that came with 2 barrels and 2 slides (one in 9mm and one in .40) am I remembering horribly or does something like this exist? in either case should I just buy 2 separate guns for home defense and ccw? |
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Do you have a place to rent different handguns? Being it's your first, I would shoot the major brands (Sig, Glock, S&W, etc.) before deciding on your purchase.
Since you're in the market for two handguns, buy a fullsize for home protection and a compact for carry. Examples: P226+P229, Glock22+23, M&P40+40c, etc. I would stick with .40 since you live in a 10rd magazine capacity state. |
idk anywhere around here that rents handguns.....unfortunately not only do i live in ny but i live in erie county not far from buffalo so its even harder to get my hands on a legal pistol which is bullshit since i only wanna learn for the protection of my family and to be well versed when i pursue a career in law enforcement but hey watre ya gonna do thems tha breaks
p.s. i was lookin at a fnx40 since its affordable and not a glock (no hate towards glock but there are certain features im not a huge fan of) hoooowever, I read that they have a tendency to drop mags when firing.....does anyone know if this problem has been fixed? |
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IF you like .40, and NY only allows 10 rd magazine I personally don't see any reason to get a 9mm.
Some folks argue quicker time back on target as a plus for 9mm over .40. If you can shoot the .40 well, and practice with it then you get no real advantage with 9mm since the main advantage is carrying more rounds (and the p229 carries 12 of .40, but you'd be limited to 10 regardless). The only advantage you would have with a 9mm is cheaper practice ammo, but the price of a second gun (or even second barrel/mags) AND buying 9mm's to feed it would probably buy you a LOT of .40's....... Myfirst pistol was a p229 in .40 and it is still my favorite and absolutely my "go to" gun. |
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9mm vs .40... it's an argument that belongs twenty years ago.
Before modern bullets, yes, the .40 had an advantage. But with good,well-designed bullets tailored to each caliber, a 9 can be just as effective as a .40. In fact, between a 9mm +p, a .40, and a .45ACP, you're dealing with energy levels that are all but identical, you're splitting hairs. If you want a significant step up, drink the 10mm cool-aid. Otherwise, I don't see a need to use one caliber for CCW and another for home defense. If you want the "big guns" for home defense, use a shotgun or carbine. |
| ahhhh the .357 .40 duo was the one I must have been reading about then. I think my only real reason for wanting 9mm is how common the ammo is. does the .357 have much more energy being delivered than the .40? I understand that stopping power is almost entirely a myth especially in the realm of pistol ammunition but in terms of F= Ma does the .357 have any advantage over the 9 or the .40? I was actually considering buying a little s&w j frame in .357 with an ankle holster as a backup for my duty gun if I can ever manage to get into law enforcment. |
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ahhhh the .357 .40 duo was the one I must have been reading about then. I think my only real reason for wanting 9mm is how common the ammo is. does the .357 have much more energy being delivered than the .40? I understand that stopping power is almost entirely a myth especially in the realm of pistol ammunition but in terms of F= Ma does the .357 have any advantage over the 9 or the .40? I was actually considering buying a little s&w j frame in .357 with an ankle holster as a backup for my duty gun if I can ever manage to get into law enforcment. 357sig is a good round and probably somewhat better than .40, but it costs too much IMO and is difficult to find locally sometimes. For a P229, 40 would be the best all-around option because of New York's magazine restrictions. j frames are great backup guns in 38 special. I wouldn't buy one in .357. Too much recoil in an airweight and too heavy for ankle carry in steel frames. If I were you, I would look at the M&P45 for my first defensive handgun. 10 rounds is the standard magazine, so no special restrictions. |
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ahhhh the .357 .40 duo was the one I must have been reading about then. I think my only real reason for wanting 9mm is how common the ammo is. does the .357 have much more energy being delivered than the .40? I understand that stopping power is almost entirely a myth especially in the realm of pistol ammunition but in terms of F= Ma does the .357 have any advantage over the 9 or the .40? I was actually considering buying a little s&w j frame in .357 with an ankle holster as a backup for my duty gun if I can ever manage to get into law enforcment. the j frame would be a 357 magnum, different than the 357 sig & they're not interchangeable. |
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I have both a 229 9M & a 229 40 w/ 357 barrel. I would probably just get the 40 w/ 9 conversion barrel if I had to do it again. I did the same with a G23 40 & bought a 9 conversion. Don't forget to get 22 a conversion too. can't convert the 40 sig to take a drop-in conversion 9mm barrel like the glock's. the 40 mag well won't take the 9mm mags. |
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I have both a 229 9M & a 229 40 w/ 357 barrel. I would probably just get the 40 w/ 9 conversion barrel if I had to do it again. I did the same with a G23 40 & bought a 9 conversion. Don't forget to get 22 a conversion too. can't convert the 40 sig to take a drop-in conversion 9mm barrel like the glock's. the 40 mag well won't take the 9mm mags. You certainly can drop in a conversion barrel. I have a P229R that I bought in .40 cal. I then added a .357 Sig barrel and a Bar Sto 9mm conversion barrel. Works like a charm. Regular .40/.357 Sig mags work fine with 9mm for range use. |
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I have both a 229 9M & a 229 40 w/ 357 barrel. I would probably just get the 40 w/ 9 conversion barrel if I had to do it again. I did the same with a G23 40 & bought a 9 conversion. Don't forget to get 22 a conversion too. can't convert the 40 sig to take a drop-in conversion 9mm barrel like the glock's. the 40 mag well won't take the 9mm mags. You certainly can drop in a conversion barrel. I have a P229R that I bought in .40 cal. I then added a .357 Sig barrel and a Bar Sto 9mm conversion barrel. Works like a charm. Regular .40/.357 Sig mags work fine with 9mm for range use. i didn't say you couldn't drop a 357 into a 40 229. re-read my post on 8/4. & then why don't you re-read the statement i replied to: "I have both a 229 9M & a 229 40 w/ 357 barrel. I would probably just get the 40 w/ 9 conversion barrel if I had to do it again." |
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I have both a 229 9M & a 229 40 w/ 357 barrel. I would probably just get the 40 w/ 9 conversion barrel if I had to do it again. I did the same with a G23 40 & bought a 9 conversion. Don't forget to get 22 a conversion too. can't convert the 40 sig to take a drop-in conversion 9mm barrel like the glock's. the 40 mag well won't take the 9mm mags. You CAN take a Sig P229 .40 and DROP IN a 9mm conversion barrel. I didn't say anything about not being able to drop in a .357 barrel. |
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I have both a 229 9M & a 229 40 w/ 357 barrel. I would probably just get the 40 w/ 9 conversion barrel if I had to do it again. I did the same with a G23 40 & bought a 9 conversion. Don't forget to get 22 a conversion too. can't convert the 40 sig to take a drop-in conversion 9mm barrel like the glock's. the 40 mag well won't take the 9mm mags. You CAN take a Sig P229 .40 and DROP IN a 9mm conversion barrel. I didn't say anything about not being able to drop in a .357 barrel. take a look at some factory sig/mecgar mags, does it say 9/40/357 or 40/357? go for it, i certainly won't be puting any 228 mags in the 40/229 with a conversion bbl & firing the 9's. the guy i replied oi had both a 229/9 & 229/40. if you get a chance measure the 9/ & 40 slides, not the same width. |
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I have both a 229 9M & a 229 40 w/ 357 barrel. I would probably just get the 40 w/ 9 conversion barrel if I had to do it again. I did the same with a G23 40 & bought a 9 conversion. Don't forget to get 22 a conversion too. can't convert the 40 sig to take a drop-in conversion 9mm barrel like the glock's. the 40 mag well won't take the 9mm mags. I don't care what you do or don't do. I was addressing your misstatement that you "can't convert the 40 sig to take a drop-in conversion 9mm barrel like the glocks." Bar Sto makes one. I have one and have been using it for years. I offered the statement about using 9mm in the 40/357 mags because it is perfectly fine to do that for range use only. Go check out sigforum.com if you don't believe me. While you are at it, call Bar Sto and tell them they can't make a 9mm drop in barrel for a Sig P229 originally chambered in .40 or .357 Sig. I'm done with you. Sorry to the OP for highjacking your thread. |
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I have both a 229 9M & a 229 40 w/ 357 barrel. I would probably just get the 40 w/ 9 conversion barrel if I had to do it again. I did the same with a G23 40 & bought a 9 conversion. Don't forget to get 22 a conversion too. can't convert the 40 sig to take a drop-in conversion 9mm barrel like the glock's. the 40 mag well won't take the 9mm mags. I don't care what you do or don't do. I was addressing your misstatement that you "can't convert the 40 sig to take a drop-in conversion 9mm barrel like the glocks." Bar Sto makes one. I have one and have been using it for years. I offered the statement about using 9mm in the 40/357 mags because it is perfectly fine to do that for range use only. Go check out sigforum.com if you don't believe me. While you are at it, call Bar Sto and tell them they can't make a 9mm drop in barrel for a Sig P229 originally chambered in .40 or .357 Sig. I'm done with you. Sorry to the OP for highjacking your thread. making a drop-in bbl is one thing, running '9's in 40 mags is something i won't do and don't care who says it's doable. i'd bet sig doesn't recommend it. but then i don't have to mix/match. i've got 4 sig 9's, 3 229/40's i tired of the bs attitude on sigforum & told the owner so. |
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9mm does feed in 40 S&W mags.... yeah they fit but barsto recommends a 9mm mag in 226/229 40 and i don't think the 9mm mag fits the magwell, which is probably why there's a 229/9. Bar-Sto Frequently Asked Questions 9mm for 40/357 firearms For Sig firearms the 229,226. You only need to change the barrel and use 9mm magazines. On the 239 you only change the barrel and can use the 40 but not the 357 sig mags. On all these you can get factory 9mm mags for those. No spring changes needed. The breech face is fine and the extractor on these type of firearms springs over far enough to catch the case head and extract reliably. On Glock firearms you can convert all of there 40/357 firearms to 9mm and do not need a spring change and usually do not need to change to a 9mm mag. Glock also has 9mm mags that fit the 40/357 firearms. Springfield XD firearms, the 4" 40/357 to 9mm no problem no mag change needed. The 5" need to change the spring to a 13# spring and Bar-Sto replacement guide rod if going to shoot very light ammo. If shooting full power or mid range ammo usually no spring change required.No mag change required normally. You cannot go up in caliber I.E. 9mm to 40 or 357 . No conversion of this caliber on 1911 style firearms from 9/38super up to 40/357 or down from 40/10 to 9/38super. |
