Posted: 7/6/2010 6:21:18 AM EDT
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After shooting, carrying 1911s for thirty years I have lately aquired a desire for a Glock. What is the most popular?
I am strongly leaning towards the 23 Compact .40 only because they don't offer the 21 .45ACP in Compact 
Although it will be for concealed and open carry, a sub compact in .45 isn't a large enough frame for me or my use but I may be talked into it. TIA |
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The 19/23 is an extremely popular size handgun for many. It's my personal favorite.
If you want to go .45, the 30 is almost exactly the same length-wise and height-wise (with the mag inserted) as the 19/23. It's just a touch wider than the 19/23. It's a great shooter. If I wanted to CCW a .45, it would be at the top of my list. |
| I have a G19 and a G21. I got the G19 b/c everyone here said get it first. But, I also had to have a .45, which is I got the G21. I love them both, but if I had to choose, I would get the G19 b/c ammo is cheaper, thus more practice time. however, if you can, I recommend doing what i did and get both. i got mine a week apart from each other. |
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The 21 is a brick. I have carried mine concealed once or twice, but not too many folks can pull that off. The 1911 is easier to hide.
I mostly carry a 19 or 26 IWB or in a Mike's belt slide,, but carry my 30 in a fanny pack much of the time. I am getting to be an old fucker, so the fanny pack isn't as obvious on me as it would be on some folks. 
You can never have too many Glocks. |
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The 19/23 is an extremely popular size handgun for many. It's my personal favorite. If you want to go .45, the 30 is almost exactly the same length-wise and height-wise (with the mag inserted) as the 19/23. It's just a touch wider than the 19/23. It's a great shooter. If I wanted to CCW a .45, it would be at the top of my list. Thanks. I copied this from another forum. "...The Glock has polygonal rifling in the barrel and does not like lead bullets, just jacketed types..." Is it true or false (?) as I'm set up to reload .45 from my IPSC days and shoot alot of lead semi-wad. eta: Can you give a (Glock) newb the rundown on the 19/23, it's configuration, calibers etc? |
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I have both the 19 and the 21. Both play different rolls for different situations. My 19 is one of my carry guns. Its small enough to conceal but large enough you can get a proper hold on it and a longer sight radius than most carry guns. Great gun cheap ammo and tons of fun to shoot.
My 21 is my 45 do it all work horse. Its my HD, steel bustin, range ruling, winter carry gun. Deadly accurate very light recoil and fits my hands great. Some say the Glock 45's are bricks, I happen to think that they fit my hands rather nicely. My 21 is a joy to shoot and is one of my favorite Glocks. As far as shooting lead out of a Glock, sure you can do it, but the key to doing it the right way is to use an after market barrel. Never shoot lead bullets out of your stock barrel. I shoot lead out of all of my Glocks but I have Lone Wolf and KKM barrels in all of them. As far as semi wadcutter, I'm not sure how they run in Glocks because I tend to load RN for all of mine. The configuration of the 23 and 19? I'm not really sure what you are asking for but here goes. The 19 is a compact 9mm with a 15 + 1 capacity. The 23 is a 40 S&W compact, not sure the capacity of it, but the 23 can be converted to a 9mm with a new barrel, extractor, mags, and maybe ejector? I'm not sure what all it takes because I'm not a 40 fan and before doing that I would just buy another gun. Hope this helps. |
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The G21 with the standard frame is too large to be comfortable for me, and I have huge hands. It's not unshootable, but I just like the smaller framed Glocks better. In fact, a friend of mine just left the house right now. He just bought my G21 from me. I have G17's, G19's, G20, 22 and G23's. I just recently sold a G27, too.
I shoot one of my Gen 1 G17's the most, although the Gen 2 grip is fine with me, too. That's what I'm issued at work. The finger grooves of the Gen 3 just don't line up with my fingers well. But, the Gen 2 G19 gets the most use for CCW use. In an Andrew's Leather McDaniel II IWB holster, it disappears when I'm wearing shorts and a tank top. If you do decide to go with the G21 and want to shoot your reloads, shoot me an e-mail. My friend didn't want my Lone Wolf barrel for the G21 that I have. I'll cut you a good deal on it. Let us know what you decide. |
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The G21 with the standard frame is too large to be comfortable for me, and I have huge hands. It's not unshootable, but I just like the smaller framed Glocks better. In fact, a friend of mine just left the house right now. He just bought my G21 from me. I have G17's, G19's, G20, 22 and G23's. I just recently sold a G27, too. I shoot one of my Gen 1 G17's the most, although the Gen 2 grip is fine with me, too. That's what I'm issued at work. The finger grooves of the Gen 3 just don't line up with my fingers well. But, the Gen 2 G19 gets the most use for CCW use. In an Andrew's Leather McDaniel II IWB holster, it disappears when I'm wearing shorts and a tank top. If you do decide to go with the G21 and want to shoot your reloads, shoot me an e-mail. My friend didn't want my Lone Wolf barrel for the G21 that I have. I'll cut you a good deal on it. Let us know what you decide. OK thanks. I have some depth in the 1911 and even helped function fired prototypes of both steel and polymer framed 1911s of new manufacturers back in the eighties and nineties but like most 1911 advocates turned a blind eye toward the Glock. I have alot of studying, questions and dues to pay to get up to speed. |
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The G21 with the standard frame is too large to be comfortable for me, and I have huge hands. It's not unshootable, but I just like the smaller framed Glocks better. In fact, a friend of mine just left the house right now. He just bought my G21 from me. I have G17's, G19's, G20, 22 and G23's. I just recently sold a G27, too. I shoot one of my Gen 1 G17's the most, although the Gen 2 grip is fine with me, too. That's what I'm issued at work. The finger grooves of the Gen 3 just don't line up with my fingers well. But, the Gen 2 G19 gets the most use for CCW use. In an Andrew's Leather McDaniel II IWB holster, it disappears when I'm wearing shorts and a tank top. If you do decide to go with the G21 and want to shoot your reloads, shoot me an e-mail. My friend didn't want my Lone Wolf barrel for the G21 that I have. I'll cut you a good deal on it. Let us know what you decide. OK thanks. I have some depth in the 1911 and even helped function fired prototypes of both steel and polymer framed 1911s of new manufacturers back in the eighties and nineties but like most 1911 advocates turned a blind eye toward the Glock. I have alot of studying, questions and dues to pay to get up to speed. As much as I would like to hate the Glock and stick to my 1911's, I really can't. I shot mostly revolvers until I was in my mid 20's and I started in law enforcement. I tried to get my Chief to allow me to carry a M65, but he didn't go for that. The reason I sold my G21 today was that other than mag capacity, it didn't do anything that my 1911's couldn't do. So, in .45acp anyway, I'm sticking to the 1911. Like I said before, though, my Gen 2 G19 is my main carry gun. But I have to admit today that, in this 100 degree weather, I have my very well worn S&W 642 on my hip. It's my day off, so I'm going out with the wife and float in the pool. |
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The G21 with the standard frame is too large to be comfortable for me, and I have huge hands. It's not unshootable, but I just like the smaller framed Glocks better. In fact, a friend of mine just left the house right now. He just bought my G21 from me. I have G17's, G19's, G20, 22 and G23's. I just recently sold a G27, too. I shoot one of my Gen 1 G17's the most, although the Gen 2 grip is fine with me, too. That's what I'm issued at work. The finger grooves of the Gen 3 just don't line up with my fingers well. But, the Gen 2 G19 gets the most use for CCW use. In an Andrew's Leather McDaniel II IWB holster, it disappears when I'm wearing shorts and a tank top. If you do decide to go with the G21 and want to shoot your reloads, shoot me an e-mail. My friend didn't want my Lone Wolf barrel for the G21 that I have. I'll cut you a good deal on it. Let us know what you decide. OK thanks. I have some depth in the 1911 and even helped function fired prototypes of both steel and polymer framed 1911s of new manufacturers back in the eighties and nineties but like most 1911 advocates turned a blind eye toward the Glock. I have alot of studying, questions and dues to pay to get up to speed. As much as I would like to hate the Glock and stick to my 1911's, I really can't. I shot mostly revolvers until I was in my mid 20's and I started in law enforcement. I tried to get my Chief to allow me to carry a M65, but he didn't go for that. The reason I sold my G21 today was that other than mag capacity, it didn't do anything that my 1911's couldn't do. So, in .45acp anyway, I'm sticking to the 1911. Like I said before, though, my Gen 2 G19 is my main carry gun. But I have to admit today that, in this 100 degree weather, I have my very well worn S&W 642 on my hip. It's my day off, so I'm going out with the wife and float in the pool. In an open carry holster and years of dry/live fire I got fairly quick with a 1911 but concealed the beavertail grip safety and exposed hammer are less forgiving and can turn a fluid draw into a wreck. Conversely, I've seen drills where a Glock can be 'snicked' out a holster as fast or faster from different hand approaches. I'd rather put my pride aside and stay alive with a Glock then be remembered post mortem as a good 1911 shooter. |
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The configuration of the 23 and 19? I'm not really sure what you are asking for but here goes. The 19 is a compact 9mm with a 15 + 1 capacity. The 23 is a 40 S&W compact, not sure the capacity of it, but the 23 can be converted to a 9mm with a new barrel, extractor, mags, and maybe ejector? I'm not sure what all it takes because I'm not a 40 fan and before doing that I would just buy another gun. Hope this helps. The majority if users, from what I've read.......only needed to swap barrels (and mags, obviously) to run 9mm in their .40cal Glocks. Some said they reliability issues, and needed to also swap the extractor and/or ejector. FWIW, I'm going with the G23, when the time comes in the near future. Then I'll be picking up the LWD 9mm conversion barrel and some 9mm mags, for when I want some cheaper range time. A $100 conversion barrel is better than buying a whole 'nother gun, IMO. That way, I'll have a .40 with standard 13 round mags for carrying. Then a 15 round setup when it's running 9mm at the range. |
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G19 is more popular by a huge margin––half the contractors I know in Iraq carry them. There's not even a comparison, popularity wise.
One thing to be aware of––all the .40 glocks have known issues with reliability when a weapon light is installed. My G22 runs great with a light with certain loads––other loads I get FTFs when shooting one-handed. Again, this is a very well documented problem. But frankly, no offense, any glock is going to be more reliable than a 1911. I say that as a 1911 owner––again, no offense. |
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Quoted: G19 is more popular by a huge margin––half the contractors I know in Iraq carry them. There's not even a comparison, popularity wise. Tell that to the FBI and most of U.S. law enforcement that either issues the 23 or approves it for use. One thing to be aware of––all the .40 glocks have known issues with reliability when a weapon light is installed. Only a very small amount of .40 Glock's have had problems with lights. |
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and most of the rest of the world could give two shits about .40 that's why they use the 9mm. the gun market is not just the US. Quoted: Quoted: G19 is more popular by a huge margin––half the contractors I know in Iraq carry them. There's not even a comparison, popularity wise. Tell that to the FBI and most of U.S. law enforcement that either issues the 23 or approves it for use. One thing to be aware of––all the .40 glocks have known issues with reliability when a weapon light is installed. Only a very small amount of .40 Glock's have had problems with lights. |
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Quoted: and most of the rest of the world could give two shits about .40 that's why they use the 9mm. the gun market is not just the US. A)There are other countries that use the .40 as well. This is why there is Austrian proofed 22's and 23's. Australia/Canada/Brazil/Etc. use the .40 for LE. and B)The U.S. is ~80% of Glock's handgun market. |
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After shooting, carrying 1911s for thirty years I have lately aquired a desire for a Glock. What is the most popular? I am strongly leaning towards the 23 Compact .40 only because they don't offer the 21 .45ACP in Compact
Although it will be for concealed and open carry, a sub compact in .45 isn't a large enough frame for me or my use but I may be talked into it. TIA G19 |
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Definitely a G23 over a G19. You are use to the 45's recoil in the 1911 so getting a light shooting 9mm will feel like a step back to you in power. The 40 with 180grn Speer Gold Dots has the best combination of size, weight, reliability, concealability, capacity, and lethality you'll find in Glock's lineup, if not in any manufacturer's. You'll find that the polymer frame soaks up the 40's recoil from what you are use to in a 1911. I wouldn't suggest the 9mm conversion barrel for you, but rather just buy more 40s&w practice ammo. I'd also suggest the following simple mods. A set of TruGlo TFO sights (fiber optic for the day but with a tritium source for night) and a simple trigger mod I explain below to give you a better feeling trigger. It won't be as good as your 1911 but will be much better than a stock trigger. Finally, if you're looking for a good IWB holster, I have an Andrews Leather, MacDaniel II and really like it. Trigger Job: All you need is a 3.5# connector and a Competition Trigger Spring for a lighter and crisper trigger. Much pre-travel and all of the over travel will be eliminated and you'll love your new trigger. Best of all is that its both cheap (about $20) and so easy you can do it yourself. 3.5# Connector: I've tried Glock, Scherer, and Lone Wolf 3.5# connectors in my Glocks and Lone Wolf's is the best hands down because it gives you the best 'break' with less take up and over travel. The other two connectors left a mushy feel in the trigger. You can get it from Glockparts.com for $15 HERE. Comp Trigger Spring: The Comp Trigger Spring is a higher weight spring (6lbs vs 5lbs) and because the spring works with you pulling the trigger, not against you, the higher spring weight gives you a lighter and crisper pull. Glockparts.com has them for $5 HERE. While you’re at it, give your Glock a 25¢ trigger job by following the instructions HERE. Its really quite simple to do and you’ll be pleased with the results. For instructions on replacing your connector and trigger spring, as well as disassembling your Glock, check out Glockparts Disassembly Page. Just click "Disassembly" on the left of his home page. They give instructions with photos to help you do it. Glocks are simple to work on so give it a try. |
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After shooting, carrying 1911s for thirty years I have lately aquired a desire for a Glock. What is the most popular? I am strongly leaning towards the 23 Compact .40 only because they don't offer the 21 .45ACP in Compact
Although it will be for concealed and open carry, a sub compact in .45 isn't a large enough frame for me or my use but I may be talked into it. TIA my first Glock was a model 19 and i absolutely love it. great CCW pistol. 15+1 loaded with quality 9mm HPs will be more than adequate for most BG encounters. if you get a G19, you can carry a spare G17 17rd. mag. for your reload... or, if you're really daring, carry a G18 33rd. mag on your belt for the reload! 
it's been said, but aside from being slightly wider, the Glock 30 is about the same size (length/height) as the 19/23 compacts. i know Glock classifies the 30 as a subcompact but really it's a compact. good luck! |
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+1 G23 I love my G23. Easy to conceal and a bit more punch than the 9mm. The G23 can also be converted to a 9mm with a conversion barrel and extractor. The Glocks are super easy to work on and configure/customize with lighter or heavier triggers, etc. I have a G23. Great carry gun with a 40 S&W 180 gr. XTP round by Hornady. It has good stopping power and good penetration with the four inch barrel. The 9MM has more penetration that can go through a body. That's not a good thing, unless your in a war. I also like the G23 it holds 13 +1 rounds and with a G22 mag it can hold 15 + 1 rounds. I was a 1911 guy (I have a few) till I found out how cheap it is to modify a Glock. That's IMHO. 
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