[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Gen. 4 Glocks? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/30/2009 2:11:07 PM EDT
| Are the Gen. 4 Glocks definitely being released at SHOT show this year? Any idea what is going to be different about them compared to the Gen. 3 and the RT models? I'm not sure if I should wait and get a Glock after January or buy one before SHOT. |
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There was a post over on Glocktalk where a LEO had an opportunity during a recent selection process at his department to handle and fire a 4th generation G22. He claimed that it had 3 interchangeable backstraps, a textured format in between the standard RTF and RTF2, reversible magazine release (not-ambi), and a dual recoil spring set-up similar to the 26/27/33.
If the new 4th gen will fit in my 3rd gen holsters and if the new 4th gen takes most of the 3rd gen parts (obviously not all of them if the above is true), I will likely be picking up a 4th gen or few. |
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There was a post over on Glocktalk where a LEO had an opportunity during a recent selection process at his department to handle and fire a 4th generation G22. He claimed that it had 3 interchangeable backstraps, a textured format in between the standard RTF and RTF2, reversible magazine release (not-ambi), and a dual recoil spring set-up similar to the 26/27/33. If the new 4th gen will fit in my 3rd gen holsters and if the new 4th gen takes most of the 3rd gen parts (obviously not all of them if the above is true), I will likely be picking up a 4th gen or few. Yes as I have said now the Glock is looking more like the XD(M) not a bad thing I own both now. |
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the only official info on the gen 4 that glock's given out is the interchangeable back straps, and that they're coming out next year sometime. anything other than that is just internet rumors. Well hello there! 
Well well, sounds like you two've met before......................... 
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Yeah, I'm thinking this supposed reversible mag release would require a different type of mag............logically, it would be one with the cutout on both sides of the mag, and most likely not that ambi cutout we now see on newer mags.
Perhaps if this was the case, the 4th gen guns could use old mags, just not with the mag catch reversed. I'm speculating wildly here........................... 
Interchangeable backstraps alone will probably keep me from ever wanting one though..............and if they can't use the older style mags (that I for one am stocked up on) that would seal the deal for me................wouldn't want one. It will be interesting to see though. |
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Yeah, I'm thinking this supposed reversible mag release would require a different type of mag............logically, it would be one with the cutout on both sides of the mag, and most likely not that ambi cutout we now see on newer mags. Perhaps if this was the case, the 4th gen guns could use old mags, just not with the mag catch reversed. I'm speculating wildly here...........................
This is what I've read the case is with the new mags. Old mags will work but the pistol can't have its mag release reversed if you're going to use them. Perhaps that was speculation as well, but it seems logical. |
While it's always interesting to see new models when they come out I can't think of anything they could do to make me prefer the gen. 4 over the ones i have now. I don't like the RTF at all.........feels too much like sandpaper and I've never had a problem with the grips on the gen 2s. I'ss spend $$ on ammo instead.
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I hope the old mags ,will work in the Gen 4 just a guess, but i wouldn't think so. they can make so much more money selling new mags if they don't fit earlier gens... I think it could be a toss up... here is my reason if Gen 4 glocks require a newer style magazine I will NOT purchase a Gen 4 glock. IMO newer style mags won't be the thing if its not broke don't fix it. Right now I have many mags ranging from G17 17rounds, 19rounds, 20 rounds, 23 rounds, 28 rounds, 31 rounds, 33 rounds. I have too much money in magazine base plates,+2,+3,+6,+11 round extensions and springs to justify a new mag style. I'm ambidextrious so I have a need for my pistols to conform yet I do not see a need for a reversible mag release this seems to be an option for leftys only who obviously do not dominate the market. I see possibly...hopefully... 2 magazine releases in the box, one for rightys, one for leftys, and you can also get ambi release for both sides... this seems to be very logical to me but then I see companies doing very illogical things lately. |
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Based on the Glock magazine advertisements, even they are calling it the Gen 4. It is assumed that the release order will be similar to the RTF2s, 22, 17, 23, 19, and so on.
It is my opinion that Glock will not concurrently produce Gen 3s and Gen 4s once all the Gen 4 models have been released. Why would they? They didn't continue producing Gen 2s, which many people prefer, once the Gen 3s were in full production. I believe Glock is trying to move forward in the pistol market with the Gen 4 and its obvious attempt at competing with the XDms and M&Ps, and if that is the case, why would they hold onto the past by continuing to produce a Gen 3? |
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Based on the Glock magazine advertisements, even they are calling it the Gen 4. It is assumed that the release order will be similar to the RTF2s, 22, 17, 23, 19, and so on. It is my opinion that Glock will not concurrently produce Gen 3s and Gen 4s once all the Gen 4 models have been released. Why would they? They didn't continue producing Gen 2s, which many people prefer, once the Gen 3s were in full production. I believe Glock is trying to move forward in the pistol market with the Gen 4 and its obvious attempt at competing with the XDms and M&Ps, and if that is the case, why would they hold onto the past by continuing to produce a Gen 3? I agree - Once the Gen4 are in full production across the line, You can pretty much bank on the Gen3's being gone once the current inventory dries up. It would make no sense to keep making both frames and based off of Glocks history, they are not going to produce 2 different generations side by side. I do get a chuckle from those people who think the Gen3 will crash in price after the Gen4's come out. That didn't (and still hasn't) happen with the Gen2's when Glock came out with the Gen3 so why some people think it will happen going from Gen3 to Gen4 is beyond me? IMO, If you think the Glock is perfect as is in Gen3 form then now is the time to buy which ever models you still want. The prices on Gen3s might take a small dip for a short while after the Gen4s first come out, and only assuming the Gen4 is a huge hit but if it's not and they do stop making the Gen3's, I think you will find that right now the Gen3's are as cheap and plentiful as they will ever be. For me, I've been wanting Glock to incorporate replaceable grip inserts for years and say it's about damn time they come out with a Gen4 frame with that feature. What I worry about is what other changes they plan on making along with the grip inserts? Talk of new mags, new mag releases, new recoil springs etc. has me a bit leary but I'm still anxiously waiting to see the final product before making any judegments
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| Has anyone noticed the current run of G22 mags have a center notch cutout near the standard mag release that seems to be a ambi-release notch. I just picked up a new G22 and two extra mags to shoot GSSF with, and I noticed the second notch on the mags. Maybe Glock has added that to make them "Gen 4" compatible with a reversible mag release. |
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Has anyone noticed the current run of G22 mags have a center notch cutout near the standard mag release that seems to be a ambi-release notch. I just picked up a new G22 and two extra mags to shoot GSSF with, and I noticed the second notch on the mags. Maybe Glock has added that to make them "Gen 4" compatible with a reversible mag release. Yes, and this is what makes me think any mags without this notch, will not work with the next generation of pistols Glock produces! I think the older generation pistols will work with the new mags,but I do not think the old style mags will work with the new generation pistols,hope I am wrong! |
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Quoted: Quoted: I agree - Once the Gen4 are in full production across the line, You can pretty much bank on the Gen3's being gone once the current inventory dries up. It would make no sense to keep making both frames and based off of Glocks history, they are not going to produce 2 different generations side by side. Based on the Glock magazine advertisements, even they are calling it the Gen 4. It is assumed that the release order will be similar to the RTF2s, 22, 17, 23, 19, and so on. It is my opinion that Glock will not concurrently produce Gen 3s and Gen 4s once all the Gen 4 models have been released. Why would they? They didn't continue producing Gen 2s, which many people prefer, once the Gen 3s were in full production. I believe Glock is trying to move forward in the pistol market with the Gen 4 and its obvious attempt at competing with the XDms and M&Ps, and if that is the case, why would they hold onto the past by continuing to produce a Gen 3? I do get a chuckle from those people who think the Gen3 will crash in price after the Gen4's come out. That didn't (and still hasn't) happen with the Gen2's when Glock came out with the Gen3 so why some people think it will happen going from Gen3 to Gen4 is beyond me? IMO, If you think the Glock is perfect as is in Gen3 form then now is the time to buy which ever models you still want. The prices on Gen3s might take a small dip for a short while after the Gen4s first come out, and only assuming the Gen4 is a huge hit but if it's not and they do stop making the Gen3's, I think you will find that right now the Gen3's are as cheap and plentiful as they will ever be. For me, I've been wanting Glock to incorporate replaceable grip inserts for years and say it's about damn time they come out with a Gen4 frame with that feature. What I worry about is what other changes they plan on making along with the grip inserts? Talk of new mags, new mag releases, new recoil springs etc. has me a bit leery but I'm still anxiously waiting to see the final product before making any judgments Wouldn't a replaceable grip insert make the pistol less durable and give you an additional part that can get lost? I have no idea as I have never used a pistol that incorporated this as a feature. |
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My PX4 has the removable back straps... no way are you going to have it fall off unless you take the lock out of it (long U-shaped piece of wire that extends up the frame). Glock isn't going to do a s***y design on that, and then change the platform. They have to meet S&W's design, or they might as well just leave it alone.
I like the concept, but S&W is the only company that has gone into the better aspect of them... lasers incorporated in the back strap. If Glock goes this way, they had better get in touch with CT to set something up. In addition, that opens the market to create their own, in case none of them are comfortable for everyone. |
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Quoted: Based on the Glock magazine advertisements, even they are calling it the Gen 4. It is assumed that the release order will be similar to the RTF2s, 22, 17, 23, 19, and so on. It is my opinion that Glock will not concurrently produce Gen 3s and Gen 4s once all the Gen 4 models have been released. Why would they? They didn't continue producing Gen 2s, which many people prefer, once the Gen 3s were in full production. I believe Glock is trying to move forward in the pistol market with the Gen 4 and its obvious attempt at competing with the XDms and M&Ps, and if that is the case, why would they hold onto the past by continuing to produce a Gen 3? They will not be able to sell a new frame style in California without a magazine disconnect. Only handguns currently on the roster can be sold, and CA is a very large market. |
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I'm happy about the emergence of the 4th gens........................hopefully it'll mean a bunch of used, good condition 3rd gens hitting the market from people "upgrading". Unless they aren't a big hit. Then the price on the 3rd gens will skyrocket. CRAP! You're right!
My blind hope may be dashed upon the rocks of reality. 
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Quoted: Quoted: CRAP! You're right!Quoted: Unless they aren't a big hit. Then the price on the 3rd gens will skyrocket.I'm happy about the emergence of the 4th gens........................hopefully it'll mean a bunch of used, good condition 3rd gens hitting the market from people "upgrading". My blind hope may be dashed upon the rocks of reality. I'm hoping to cover my bases by picking up a Gen 3 G19 before the new ones come out. Maybe a 20SF too if I can find the money. |
| I'm in the process of picking up a 17 right now. I love my Glocks and I'm one of the lucky ones that the Gen 3 Glocks fit my hand like a glove. Personally I'm not a fan of the interchangeable back straps. I'm not saying that I wouldn't buy one, I'm just saying I like the design that they have now. I like the simplicity of Glocks and that's why I bought one and continue to want more. My dad said the same thing about the price dropping when the new ones come out and told me to hold off but I seriously doubt the price will drop much. I'm not impatiently waiting the release of the 4th Gen, but I'm ready to see them. |
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Based on the Glock magazine advertisements, even they are calling it the Gen 4. It is assumed that the release order will be similar to the RTF2s, 22, 17, 23, 19, and so on. It is my opinion that Glock will not concurrently produce Gen 3s and Gen 4s once all the Gen 4 models have been released. Why would they? They didn't continue producing Gen 2s, which many people prefer, once the Gen 3s were in full production. I believe Glock is trying to move forward in the pistol market with the Gen 4 and its obvious attempt at competing with the XDms and M&Ps, and if that is the case, why would they hold onto the past by continuing to produce a Gen 3? They will not be able to sell a new frame style in California without a magazine disconnect. Only handguns currently on the roster can be sold, and CA is a very large market. Are you speaking of the Peoples Hollywood Republic of Kalifornia... this mystic place in the US where you need fingerprint identification to purchase ammunition? I know about 47 states in the US where I'm guessing about 80% of all Gun dealers in this galaxy won't bother selling to CA because the process is ridiculous. Thats just IMO though... or could it be true 
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I do not want interchangeable backstraps at all. I hope I will still be able to find new gen 3 glocks for years. You and me both. I'm sure we'll still be able to. I was still able to find a 2nd gen G17 a couple of years ago. The thing was built in Feb of '90. I still found it.
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| From Glocktalk. Worth a read. The OP handled one (G22) yesterday. |
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Wouldn't a replaceable grip insert make the pistol less durable and give you an additional part that can get lost? "IF" done right, no not at all. There are a bunch of pistols on the market with the same feature and I haven't heard of any of them having issues with the inserts coming out unexpectedly. I have Magpul MIAD grips (which is the grip design I was really hoping Glock would copy) on all of my AR's and I've had 0 issues. Quoted:
hopefully it'll mean a bunch of used, good condition 3rd gens hitting the market from people "upgrading". Keep dreaming buddy - I've been waiting 10 years to find a smoking deal on a Gen2 G19. Regardless of how popular the Gen4's become, Gen3's won't be significantly dropping in price anytime soon and I don't see how they could become much more available then they already are?
Whether I personally end up liking and buying the Gen4's remains to be seen but either way, I think the Gen4 will do fine. Everybody is all in an uproar right now because Glock is changing their idea of "perfect" but if you recall, people acted the same way when Glock went from the Gen2 to the Gen3. A lot of people hated the finger groove (  ) and thought the rail was stupid and pointless but yet the Gen3 sold just fine. So it will be with the Gen4 I suspect.
Cool - Thanks for the heads up 
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I have Magpul MIAD grips (which is the grip design I was really hoping Glock would copy) on all of my AR's and I've had 0 issues. I would have loved for Glock to come out with interchangeable panels for the front and backstrap just like the MIAD. That would have been terrific. Sounds like from the thread I linked, the standard 4th gen will come in its smallest grip form. Two backstraps come with the pistol that attach to the standard grip to make it larger. The OP from GT suggested that the standard will be like the SF frame (perhaps with less of a hump?), the first attachment will be like a standard 3rd gen grip, and the second attachment will be larger still simulating a G20/21. I'll be interested in seeing what the smallest grip configuration feels like. This would be the only one I would use, I already can guarantee that. And if the smallest configuration has no removable panel (as the panels supposedly attach to this) then the durability of the 4th gen in its smallest configuration should be just as durable as the 3rd gen. The question will be how secure are the panels when attached. It'll be interesting to see one in person. Guess what I heard at the gunshop yesterday? Glock is supposed to be introducing at the Shot show in addition to the Gen 4...wait for it...it'll be a surprise...you've never heard this before...A Glock Carbine! We'll see about that. How many years in a row have we been disappointed so far? |
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I would have loved for Glock to come out with interchangeable panels for the front and backstrap just like the MIAD. That would have been terrific. Sounds like from the thread I linked, the standard 4th gen will come in its smallest grip form. Two backstraps come with the pistol that attach to the standard grip to make it larger. .. The Magpul MIAD idea was more of a dream I had long before any rumors of a Gen4 Glock ever surfaced. Assuming the Gen4 is as described (i.e. comes in it’s smallest form and 1 of 2 other inserts can be install over top of it) then it’s kind of a mixed bag IMO. On one hand, those that were worried about the design’s reliability being compromised by the grip inserts have nothing to worry about. If one of those inserts were to come off, you would still have a perfectly functioning and usable handgun, just with a smaller grip then what you might be use to. Worst case is even if Glock’s method of attaching the grip panels leaves something to be desired, you could always secure them with some tape around the grip or a Hogue slip on type grip. Ugly but functional. That said, it sounds like this new grip is an epic FAIL IMO. The issue some people have with the Glock grip has little or nothing to do with the size of it. Many people (like me) have a real issue with the rear hump and the finger grooves. Just like not everybody likes an arch MSH on a 1911, not everybody finds the hump on the back of the Glock “perfection” and the fingers grooves do not fit all (and serve no real purpose anyway). Some people don’t even care about the size, the hump or the finger grooves but hate the angle itself. They prefer a more vertical 1911 type angle. A MIAD type grip would allow for multiply (almost unlimited) combinations of grips to fit anyone’s hand or personal preferences without costly and permanent modifications to the serial numbered part of the gun. It does not sound like Glock’s Gen4 design will be anywhere near that flexible which again is a huge FAIL IMO. Quoted:
It'll be interesting to see one in person. + 1,000,000 even though at this point it sounds like I’m going to be majorly disappointed with the Gen4. 
Oh well I guess I’ll be sending some more frames to ColdBore for him to work his magic on!
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Guess what I heard at the gunshop yesterday? Glock is supposed to be introducing at the Shot show in addition to the Gen 4...wait for it...it'll be a surprise...you've never heard this before...A Glock Carbine! We'll see about that. How many years in a row have we been disappointed so far?  - Which shop? Well the thing with that, even if it's true (and I doubt it) then mostly likely it will be a .223 carbine which I don't have much interest in anyway.
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- Which shop? Well the thing with that, even if it's true (and I doubt it) then mostly likely it will be a .223 carbine which I don't have much interest in anyway.3L Shooter's. I was like  . I even said that to the clerk, that I figured if they came out with one, it would be .223. He said, "Nope, it's going to be 9mm." Trust me, I don't think it's true. But, if a 9mm Glock carbine were to come out, I'd buy the shit out of one (or more).
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Quoted: Quoted: - Which shop? Well the thing with that, even if it's true (and I doubt it) then mostly likely it will be a .223 carbine which I don't have much interest in anyway.3L Shooter's. I was like . I even said that to the clerk, that I figured if they came out with one, it would be .223. He said, "Nope, it's going to be 9mm." Trust me, I don't think it's true. But, if a 9mm Glock carbine were to come out, I'd buy the shit out of one (or more).A .223 Glock carbine you say? Jesus, you thought .40S&W kabooms were nasty? |
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Based on the Glock magazine advertisements, even they are calling it the Gen 4. It is assumed that the release order will be similar to the RTF2s, 22, 17, 23, 19, and so on. It is my opinion that Glock will not concurrently produce Gen 3s and Gen 4s once all the Gen 4 models have been released. Why would they? They didn't continue producing Gen 2s, which many people prefer, once the Gen 3s were in full production. I believe Glock is trying to move forward in the pistol market with the Gen 4 and its obvious attempt at competing with the XDms and M&Ps, and if that is the case, why would they hold onto the past by continuing to produce a Gen 3? They will not be able to sell a new frame style in California without a magazine disconnect. Only handguns currently on the roster can be sold, and CA is a very large market. Are you speaking of the Peoples Hollywood Republic of Kalifornia... this mystic place in the US where you need fingerprint identification to purchase ammunition? I know about 47 states in the US where I'm guessing about 80% of all Gun dealers in this galaxy won't bother selling to CA because the process is ridiculous. Thats just IMO though... or could it be true you have to get finger printed to buy ammo in Kali?? that's seriously shitty. glad i don't live there. |