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9/20/2009 4:19:31 PM EDT
Could we indulge the powers that be, to contemplate this? Hum. Glock reliability with
the ballistics of the 5.7 cartridge?
Any takers?
9/20/2009 4:23:51 PM EDT
[#1]
many glocks and 5.7 stuff.
I'd have to say no.
Still waitin for the Glock 20L
9/20/2009 4:37:56 PM EDT
[#2]
Advantage Arms
9/20/2009 4:44:16 PM EDT
[#3]
Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense.
9/20/2009 4:49:03 PM EDT
[#4]
The 5.7 pistol already has glock reliability

It makes even less sense than the GAP
9/20/2009 5:32:18 PM EDT
[#5]
900-1000 for the FN  Vs.  600 for a G?
9/20/2009 5:36:43 PM EDT
[#6]
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900-1000 for the FN  Vs.  600 for a G?


This is precisely why they should do it...  I know I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I didn't have to shell out a grand for it.
9/20/2009 7:24:05 PM EDT
[#7]
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Could we indulge the powers that be, to contemplate this? Hum. Glock reliability with
the ballistics of the 5.7 cartridge?
Any takers?


No.

Sorry, they don't listen to suggestions for which there would be so little demand, therefore profit.

9/21/2009 8:28:43 AM EDT
[#8]
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900-1000 for the FN  Vs.  600 for a G?


This is precisely why they should do it...  I know I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I didn't have to shell out a grand for it.


So you think they could build a entirely new platform around the 5.7 and still be able to sell them for 600?


Not likely my friend.
9/21/2009 4:21:53 PM EDT
[#9]
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900-1000 for the FN  Vs.  600 for a G?


This is precisely why they should do it...  I know I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I didn't have to shell out a grand for it.


So you think they could build a entirely new platform around the 5.7 and still be able to sell them for 600?


Not likely my friend.


I suspect the only reason the FN costs what it does is that it's the only one on the market.  A little competition never hurt anything...
9/21/2009 4:59:13 PM EDT
[#10]
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900-1000 for the FN  Vs.  600 for a G?


This is precisely why they should do it...  I know I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I didn't have to shell out a grand for it.


So you think they could build a entirely new platform around the 5.7 and still be able to sell them for 600?


Not likely my friend.


I suspect the only reason the FN costs what it does is that it's the only one on the market.  A little competition never hurt anything...


It is designed around a proprietary cartridge with very specific purpose
Totally new platform not based on anything they already made
Dead balls reliable(like most FN stuff)
Bottleneck pistol rounds are notorious for being a pain in the ass

Nobody wants to compete. FN found a little niche market and is doing well.

I just dont think you could build a whole new platform for a new round and be much cheaper than the fn
9/21/2009 5:15:50 PM EDT
[#11]
I'd buy one in a heartbeat.  The only thing keeping me from buying the FN  is the $1000 pricetag.
9/21/2009 6:11:08 PM EDT
[#12]
yeah they are neat but no where near 1k$ neat to me.
9/21/2009 6:20:50 PM EDT
[#13]


I'd be ALL OVER it.

Along with a .22.



Of course neither will ever happen.



9/21/2009 6:55:00 PM EDT
[#14]
Couldn't this take the form of a conversion barrel? If I recall correctly, the 5.7 cartridge is the same basic dimension as a 9mm, but necked down to .224 so mags might even be interchangeable.

Somebody get on the horn to Lone Wolf Distributors!
9/21/2009 7:08:14 PM EDT
[#15]
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Couldn't this take the form of a conversion barrel? If I recall correctly, the 5.7 cartridge is the same basic dimension as a 9mm, but necked down to .224 so mags might even be interchangeable.

Somebody get on the horn to Lone Wolf Distributors!


I suspect the pressures are markedly different –– I don't think a conversion barrel would do it.
9/21/2009 7:15:48 PM EDT
[#16]
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Couldn't this take the form of a conversion barrel? If I recall correctly, the 5.7 cartridge is the same basic dimension as a 9mm, but necked down to .224 so mags might even be interchangeable.

Somebody get on the horn to Lone Wolf Distributors!


I suspect the pressures are markedly different –– I don't think a conversion barrel would do it.


I dont the 5.7 is anywhere close to the 9mm case head and no way the mags would work
9/22/2009 9:08:01 AM EDT
[#17]
you guys talk like 600 vs 1000 is such a huige diffrence for a gun. U buy the glock for 600, then everyone puts a laser/light ect on it and spends over a thousand anyway. 12 diffrent holsters is 300 more. Just buy what you want....
9/22/2009 11:43:38 AM EDT
[#18]
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you guys talk like 600 vs 1000 is such a huige diffrence for a gun. U buy the glock for 600, then everyone puts a laser/light ect on it and spends over a thousand anyway. 12 diffrent holsters is 300 more. Just buy what you want....


My Glocks stay stock –– one of them happens to have night sights on it, but only because that's how it came.  40% lower cost is a huge difference in my budget –– don't know about yours.
9/22/2009 6:52:51 PM EDT
[#19]
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Couldn't this take the form of a conversion barrel? If I recall correctly, the 5.7 cartridge is the same basic dimension as a 9mm, but necked down to .224 so mags might even be interchangeable.

Somebody get on the horn to Lone Wolf Distributors!


I suspect the pressures are markedly different –– I don't think a conversion barrel would do it.


I dont the 5.7 is anywhere close to the 9mm case head and no way the mags would work


Yes, I thought about this more and realized the 9mm mags (for 9x19mm rounds) could not fit the 5.7x28mm rounds. Don't think any current Glock could handle a 28mm OAL round unless the magazine held the round at an angle to the bore (not sure that would work)
9/23/2009 5:03:18 PM EDT
[#20]
Nice to see the varied responses.     It could be possible to build a conversion kit for this cartridge.  The main area of concern
would be the magazine well/magazine.  The 5.7 cartridge recoil could be handled by the 17 frame family & possibly the guide rod
& recoil spring, use a steel version rod instead of the standard plastic?

These are just thoughts, there are problems, but solutions can be designed.
It takes a few pennies and about two minutes to mfg a polymer frame....A few adjustments to an existing slide program on the
cnc???   357 sig is a necked down cartridge, so Glock has experience with that area.

I know its a pipe dream.....
9/23/2009 7:24:01 PM EDT
[#21]
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Nice to see the varied responses.     It could be possible to build a conversion kit for this cartridge.  The main area of concern
would be the magazine well/magazine.  The 5.7 cartridge recoil could be handled by the 17 frame family & possibly the guide rod
& recoil spring, use a steel version rod instead of the standard plastic?

These are just thoughts, there are problems, but solutions can be designed.
It takes a few pennies and about two minutes to mfg a polymer frame....A few adjustments to an existing slide program on the
cnc???   357 sig is a necked down cartridge, so Glock has experience with that area.

I know its a pipe dream.....


A barsto 9mm conversion barrel for a sig is 200 bucks. 500 bucks for the glock, 200 for the barrel, +mags and other parts you are right near the price of a 5.7.
9/24/2009 6:13:22 PM EDT
[#22]
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900-1000 for the FN  Vs.  600 for a G?


This is precisely why they should do it...  I know I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I didn't have to shell out a grand for it.


So you think they could build a entirely new platform around the 5.7 and still be able to sell them for 600?


Not likely my friend.


I suspect the only reason the FN costs what it does is that it's the only one on the market.  A little competition never hurt anything...


The 36 is a completely unique pistol and is priced no more then Glocks other 45ACP pistols which share frames with the 10mm models.  All the 45/10mm models are only a bit more expensive then the far more prevalent 9mm/40/357/GAP guns.

I do not see how any one could take a close look at FN's 5.7 pistol and come to the conclusion it is worth a penny more the $600, other then its exclusivity of chambering.  The 5.7 is a very simple design, more so then even the FNP.  It is a thoroughly modern mass production design.  FN could likely flood the streets with 5.7s and make money doing it.  My belief is FN has priced the 5.7 the way the have to avoid "Saturday Night Special Copper Killer" publicity.  Besides FNH is not opposed to extortion, look at the SCAR dealer packages.  Good lord.
9/24/2009 6:21:00 PM EDT
[#23]
That may be, but we know from past experience that Glock isn't going to offer something that's not going to have ALOT of demand.

(Well, except for the GAP models, eh)
9/24/2009 6:24:15 PM EDT
[#24]
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That may be, but we know from past experience that Glock isn't going to offer something that's not going to have ALOT of demand.

(Well, except for the GAP models, eh)


I was not saying Glock will, just pointing out that Glock can.
9/24/2009 6:27:17 PM EDT
[#25]
I understand the point.  Truthfully, Glock CAN do alot, the success of their pistol designs indicates that they COULD build alot of good things......................................whether or not they WILL is another matter entirely, I'm sure you'd agree.
9/24/2009 6:39:12 PM EDT
[#26]
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Still waitin for the Glock 20L
Que?
9/25/2009 8:15:38 PM EDT
[#27]
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Still waitin for the Glock 20L
Que?


He wants a 20L
9/26/2009 3:25:53 PM EDT
[#28]
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Still waitin for the Glock 20L
Que?
He wants a 20L
¿Qué coño es el 20L de GLOCK?
9/26/2009 4:17:33 PM EDT
[#29]
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Still waitin for the Glock 20L
Que?
He wants a 20L
¿Qué coño es el 20L de GLOCK?


It is the gun he wants glock to build. A longslide 10mm

It doesnt exist just like the 5.7 glock
9/26/2009 6:03:59 PM EDT
[#30]
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Still waitin for the Glock 20L
Que?
He wants a 20L
¿Qué coño es el 20L de GLOCK?


It is the gun he wants glock to build. A longslide 10mm

It doesnt exist just like the 5.7 glock


No no.  You are doing it wrong.  When attempting communications with non english speakers you have to say it like this:
I SAID HE WANTS A GLOCK MODEL 20 ELL!  LONG SLIDE TEN MILLIMETERS!
9/26/2009 6:24:38 PM EDT
[#31]
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Still waitin for the Glock 20L
Que?
He wants a 20L
¿Qué coño es el 20L de GLOCK?


Es algo que no existe, tal como un Glock en 5.7x28, como dijo ALASKANFIRE.



9/26/2009 7:22:25 PM EDT
[#32]
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Still waitin for the Glock 20L
Que?
He wants a 20L
¿Qué coño es el 20L de GLOCK?


Es algo que no existe, tal como un Glock en 5.7x28, como dijo ALASKANFIRE.





grassyass me ameego
appreciate the translation
9/26/2009 7:25:30 PM EDT
[#33]
No hay de queso no pas de papa.

9/28/2009 6:16:04 PM EDT
[#34]
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900-1000 for the FN  Vs.  600 for a G?


This is precisely why they should do it...  I know I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I didn't have to shell out a grand for it.


+1

9/28/2009 6:22:06 PM EDT
[#35]
哼?