[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Good Home Defense Glock (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/27/2009 9:42:22 PM EDT
| I would like to get a Glock that would be suitable for my fiance to use for home defense if I am not around. She is not an avid shooter and I think she may be better off using a handgun rather than the 870. What would be the best one to get for a smaller sized lady? I gave a G23 but plan on CCW'ing it very soon so that wouldn't work to well. Would a 34 be good? I have never shot one but I heard that they have little recoil and I think it would be more controllable for her. Thanks for any input. |
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G34 would be great, also G17 or G19. They're all 9mm, easy shooting goodness for HD.
For me, pistol-wise, it's a G17................WITH a 33 rnder in place. Plenty of ammo on board (if I jump up in the night, I probably won't have my spare mags on me  )
That AND a good light......................there are differing schools of thought on whether a light should be attatched to the weapon........me, I prefer a solid hand-held light, like a Surefire G-2 w/ LED bulb. So, G17/G34/G19 with 33 rnder and a solid light, on the gun or in the hand, is the way to go.  That's what I think, anyway.
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Right on. G34 is a great pistol.
I know the light issue is beyond the scope of your question, but for effective HD, it merits mention.
Really................G17 and G34 have exactly the same grip. G19 being a bit smaller, has a different feeling grip. So, I'd say, whichever one SHE can shoot and handle best, since it's ultimately gonna be in her hands at the "moment of truth". And of course, as you know, another minor consideration is that the G34 comes stock with the "-" Connector, giving you a lighter 4.5 lb trigger pull or so, as opposed to the G19 and G17 having about a 5.5 lb trigger pull, in stock configuration. You can of course change this to your individual preferrence, regardless of which pistol is chosen. |
| Good points. I didn't really think about the grip. I will have her shoot different pistols and see which ones feel comfortable in her hands. Since I haven't shot a G34, is there a huge difference in the trigger pull as opposed to the other models(G17 or G19)? I know that it can be changed like you said but I am just wondering. Thanks. |
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If she isn't an avid shooter, or doesn't have developed gun handling skills, a 4" revolver may be a better choice for her at first.
Make sure you ingrain the 4 main safety rules into her head and confirm that she can safely and effectively manipulate a pistol before you leave her alone with a glock. That includes loading, unloading, reloading, slide manipulation and all 3 types of malfunctions drills. There is a very good book by Erik Lawrence called: Tactical Pistol Shooting that would help her with everything she needs to know. The book starts off with mindset and safety issues then moves into shooting fundamentals, positions, reloading, malfunctions, low-light and a myriad of other useful knowledge. You should be able to find it on amazon for $15. I have no affiliation with the the author, I just think its a very useful book. That being said, take her to the gunshop and have her get her hands on the different pistols, both semi and wheelguns. Who knows, a g19 might be too big, and a g26 too small for her. Take her shooting with your pistols and take mental notes of what she likes and what works for her. Also, make sure she can get manipulate the pistol shes choosing. Her nails and hand lotion might negatively affect this, so that's another thing you should consider. Good luck. |
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If she's not an avid shooter, and isn't dedicated to regular and consistent practice you might as well stick with the 870 shotgun.
In the middle of the night, in the middle of an adrenaline dump is not the time to be learning how to effectively shoot a handgun in a defensive/combat situation. A couple of range trips 3 months apart isn't going to cut it either. I'd never turn down a chance to get another Glock, but just getting her one and sticking it in the night-stand is slightly better than useless. |
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If she's not an avid shooter, and isn't dedicated to regular and consistent practice you might as well stick with the 870 shotgun. In the middle of the night, in the middle of an adrenaline dump is not the time to be learning how to effectively shoot a handgun in a defensive/combat situation. A couple of range trips 3 months apart isn't going to cut it either. I'd never turn down a chance to get another Glock, but just getting her one and sticking it in the night-stand is slightly better than useless. I must say I agree with this, instant fear and adrealine and she will most likely forget everything you have tried to teach her in those few outings, depends alot on the person though some are able to remain alot more calm than others! |
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I recall an article by Clint Smith in American Handgunner, it must have been in early 2003 where Smith commented on handguns for wives and he made the points that these frequently get purchased by husbands and often are not well thought out decisions. He cited that if the caliber and gun type are such that recoil is painful the person is not going to practice with the gun or perhaps the choice was non-optimal for the wife but the husband rationalizes that it does not need to be since she probably won't be using it all that much anyway. I completely agree with the notion that the best handgun for your future wife is what she likes and not what you think she should like. Take her to a range where she can try different pistols and let her make her choice. Let her pick the gun she wants, fits her well, and that she shoots well. I would recommend you provide advice as to a minimal caliber so she understands the how and why a minimum caliber may matter in a SD situation. I personally love the G17 and G34 and carry a 17 daily but my lady simply found them ill fitting for her hand and didn't shoot them all that well and any long arms she tried were awkward at best. I own a large assortment of handguns and my better half has shot a majority of them but she decided on the Glock 19 as her first defensive handgun purchase. The larger calibers caused her problems with recoil and she didn't enjoy shooting them and I don't believe anything below 9mm is appropriate for a SD situation so the lines crossed at the G19. She now shoots it very well and it rests on the nightstand on her side of the bed every night. |
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She is not an avid shooter and I think she may be better off using a handgun rather than the 870. She'd be better off using a carbean. Bird guns are a poor choice, and broad flat out can not shoot pistol unless they commit to practicing regularly... most broads have no interest in this kind of commitment. |
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Unless she can spend the hours of practice required to learn how to use a Glock (or any SA hand gun) instinctively she would be safer with a revolver or even a shotgun. I've never really understood the notion that a shotgun is a superior home defense weapon, I've always thought them to be cumbersome and over-rated... Handgun can be used one handed leaving the other free for a flashlight, cellphone, holding back intruder, etc. Recoil of heavier shotgun loads can be a barrier to effective training Shotguns are much harder to maneuver in close quarters Handguns typically have more rounds available...15+1 in a G19 Handguns are harder to have taken away by an intruder vs. a long arm Contrary to the B.S. on TV, you still have to AIM a shotgun My go-to HD firearms are all G17's, but if I didn't have my Glocks I'd take an AR carbine over a shotgun any day of the week... YMMV |
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I recall an article by Clint Smith in American Handgunner, it must have been in early 2003 where Smith commented on handguns for wives and he made the points that these frequently get purchased by husbands and often are not well thought out decisions. He cited that if the caliber and gun type are such that recoil is painful the person is not going to practice with the gun or perhaps the choice was non-optimal for the wife but the husband rationalizes that it does not need to be since she probably won't be using it all that much anyway. I completely agree with the notion that the best handgun for your future wife is what she likes and not what you think she should like. Take her to a range where she can try different pistols and let her make her choice. Let her pick the gun she wants, fits her well, and that she shoots well. I would recommend you provide advice as to a minimal caliber so she understands the how and why a minimum caliber may matter in a SD situation. I personally love the G17 and G34 and carry a 17 daily but my lady simply found them ill fitting for her hand and didn't shoot them all that well and any long arms she tried were awkward at best. I own a large assortment of handguns and my better half has shot a majority of them but she decided on the Glock 19 as her first defensive handgun purchase. The larger calibers caused her problems with recoil and she didn't enjoy shooting them and I don't believe anything below 9mm is appropriate for a SD situation so the lines crossed at the G19. She now shoots it very well and it rests on the nightstand on her side of the bed every night. This is the best advice. I am a "Glock Guy" and CCW one almost every day. The better 1/2 is not a Glock Gal. After multiple trips to the range and trying different guns, she liked my HK P7M13 the best and shot it well also. Funny how she was drawn to the most expensive choice available, like a moth to a flame, w/o having a clue as to cost or features. Somehow this must be a genetic feature passed down from female to female.  We tried Glocks, Sigs, Berettas, S&W revolvers, and even a PPK before she decided on MY HK. This of course caused me great angst, as I am quite fond of MY HK. I picked up a HK P7M8 for her, and now all is well. It actually fits her hands a bit better, as the grip is smaller (single stack mag), compared to the M13(double stack mag).
Point is, what we think is best, may not be what she is comfortable with. As far as the 34. It's a nice gun, I have one, and it's tough to beat w/ a 33 rd backup mag. I opted to get mine w/ Night Sights instead of the standard Adjustable Sights. Get her to the range and get her hands on as many different guns as possible and let her make the choice, with your guidance of course. FB |
| I do plan on taking her out and shooting multiple guns to see what she is comfortable with. I don't think that the 870 would be the best choice because of the recoil, and I think the trigger pull on a revolver would be a little heavy. Even though she doesn't shoot too much, I still want her to be safe and able to defend herself if needed. I really appreciate all of the responses to my post. |
| well with the shotgun if you wanna consider that route you can get some good low recoil flite control federal, if that's too much i think a 870 in 20ga would be plenty also, i agree with most on here tho, i'll take a handgun with a light attached any day, work the light/gun with one hand, leaves your other hand free to open doors, or use the cell, hopefully she'll be calling you to come home and handle it yourself, i'm still sayin G17/TLR-1 as my choice |
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I gave my sister and her two oldest daughters Glock 19's. The youngest daughter is miffed that at 14 years old that she hasn't gotten her Glock 19 from Uncle wganz yet and has to wait two more years. I'm getting a Glock 19 for my mom(whom is very blast sensitive) and a threaded barrel. The local CLEO is a very close family friend(he has deer hunted on the back 40 for free for 20 years) and will be asked to sign the Form 4 for a suppressor so that she won't have to deal with the blast.
My family had a meeting and we hammered out what everyone will have. We decided that everyone will have a Glock 19 however a 1911 is also acceptable(had several WWII & Korean War vets there) .
I traded my Glock 19 for a couple of 9mm's WWII bring backs that had belonged to my uncle and will get another Glock 19 one later this fall with the OT that H1N1 is going to get me later this year. Getting my son a Glock 19 for Christmas. There may be a suggestion in there somewhere. 
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I like having a light on the pistol as well as a handheld light.
If you have to use one hand to hold someone away from you or hold a kid down on the floor and out of the line of fire, you'll like having the light on the pistol. Also, I've found it slightly easier to shoot a pistol with a light attached. Keeps the muzzle down a little bit between shots. After you get a (quality) light, get some night sights, too. Just in case. You may want to get her professional instruction, sometimes teaching female family members how to shoot works and sometimes it doesn't. Women tend to take criticism from "stranger experts" better than from the guy who keeps leaving the toilet seat up, no matter how "expert" you may be. |
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I've never really understood the notion that a shotgun is a superior home defense weapon, I've always thought them to be cumbersome and over-rated... 1Handgun can be used one handed leaving the other free for a flashlight, cellphone, holding back intruder, etc. 2Recoil of heavier shotgun loads can be a barrier to effective training 3Shotguns are much harder to maneuver in close quarters 4Handguns typically have more rounds available...15+1 in a G19 5Handguns are harder to have taken away by an intruder vs. a long arm 6Contrary to the B.S. on TV, you still have to AIM a shotgun 1.) You bring up a good question regarding the light, however, if someone breaks into MY home, and I have my 870 in hand, I'm not going to be worried about anything else. 2.) Applied solely to this thread, you are correct, however, for a seasoned shooter, this is negligible. 3.) Not with a short stock and a 18" barrel. With a ridiculous redneck hunting barrel that is half a mile long, yeah, you're right, but no combat shotgun has a tube that long. 4.) Any good defense shotgun will hold at least 7 or 8. That's as many as a 1911, and MORE than enough to deal with the average home invasion. 5.) I would disagree, besides, you can put a good beat down on someone with a longarm. Anyways, if you have a gun, and someone is breaking into your home, what are they doing close enough to take it from you? Why haven't you shot yet? 6.) True, but not with the same precision necessary with a handgun. Put the bead on the dark shape, pull the trigger, and you're done. Not so with a pistol round, even a good one like a .45 or 10mm. 00 buck inserted at a rapid rate into ANY part of the body is going to be a great end to the episode. At least here in GA, I don't have to pussyfoot around if someone breaks in, I have the legal right(and if my family is home as well, a moral obligation) to blow their ass away. You can bet your ass if someone DOES break in, they will be carried out. A shotgun is better than a pistol for a few reasons: 1. Psychological deterrent. If for whatever liberal minded reason you don't want to kill the intruder, just racking the slide will make most criminal's blood run cold. Also, seeing someone with an arm cannon pointed at you, as opposed to just a small pistol, is another pants-peeing-inducer. 2. Devastating ballistic effect. The best .45 hollow point is no match for 00 buck, 000 buck, or 1 buck. 3. Long arms are inherently easier to use than pistols, making snap action easier(take any newb to a range, hand them a .22 rifle and a .22 pistol, and see what happens) 4. It's bigger, so easier to grab in a moment of adrenaline rush. Good luck getting a proper grip, AFTER you have good luck finding, a pistol in the heat of the moment. 5. If for some chance the dirtbag is real close, you can, as I mentioned above, put some serious hurt on them if you don't want to shoot them. You can put a lot more force and inertia behind a three foot long, 8 pound shotgun than behind a 8 inch long, 2 pound handgun. |
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6.) True, but not with the same precision necessary with a handgun. Put the bead on the dark shape, pull the trigger, and you're done. Not so with a pistol round, even a good one like a .45 or 10mm. 00 buck inserted at a rapid rate into ANY part of the body is going to be a great end to the episode. At least here in GA, I don't have to pussyfoot around if someone breaks in, I have the legal right(and if my family is home as well, a moral obligation) to blow their ass away. You can bet your ass if someone DOES break in, they will be carried out. Have fun at your family member's funeral, after you "blow their ass away" because you "fired at a dark shape that you thought was an intruder". |
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I am not a self-defense expert and did not stay at a holiday in express. My answer is based upon thinking about my wife and what to get her. Get a full sized 38 special/357 magnum revolver and load it with whatever round she finds comfortable to shoot. Revolvers are very forgiving to use. 38 special wadcutters are easy to shoot, particularly from a full sized revolver. If there is a home invasion, hopefully she can grab it and hide in a closet until the invader leaves, help arrives, or shoot the fucker at short range when he opens the closet door. If you really want a semi-auto, try her on an M&P9. The different sized back straps give you some flexibility for customizing it to her grip. Plus, I find is really pleasant to shoot. I own a Glock 20 and consider it to be the ideal bedside/office desk gun, but not for my wife. YMMV. |
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For a wife a pistol over a 12 ga 8 days a week. Try to teach her how to clear doors and move through the house with a shotgun. Teach her how to work the pump while lieing on the floor behind the bed. Try shooting the shotgun while sitting in the bath tub in the master bedroom. Try shooting a 12 gauge one handed while carrying a one year old child under your other hand. Once they have kids, they will be going to their bedrooms to defend / check on them, how does the 870 do then.
I love shotguns, they suck ass for home defense compared to a glock 9mm with a mounted light. G19/G17/G34, as long as you go 9mm and a light she stands a half assed chance. |
| Havent read all the replies, but if it hasnt been said already...whatever she gets, make sure PRACTICES! The gun will be useless unless she knows what she is doing and is comfortable pulling the trigger. Especially in a high-stress situation. You wouldnt believe how many people I have seen who consider themselves firearms enthusiastes, have all the expensive guns/gear and cant shoot for shit. Then you ask them how much trigger time they have and you hear, "Oh, I havent been to the range in like six months". Whether its a .22, a 9mm, or a 44 magnum...she will need to practice, practice, practice. You two can have fun with it. Make it a couples thing. Instead of dinner and a movie, make it dinner and the range! |
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6.) True, but not with the same precision necessary with a handgun. Put the bead on the dark shape, pull the trigger, and you're done. Not so with a pistol round, even a good one like a .45 or 10mm. 00 buck inserted at a rapid rate into ANY part of the body is going to be a great end to the episode. At least here in GA, I don't have to pussyfoot around if someone breaks in, I have the legal right(and if my family is home as well, a moral obligation) to blow their ass away. You can bet your ass if someone DOES break in, they will be carried out. Have fun at your family member's funeral, after you "blow their ass away" because you "fired at a dark shape that you thought was an intruder". Oh yes, I'll make sure I can paint a museum-worthy portrait of my attacker before I shoot them. Simply because I describe a potential attacker as a 'dark shape' doesn't mean I'm a trigger happy idiot. That's generally what goes bump in the night... a dark shape. Not a studio photograph quality image. That's why criminals generally operate at night... harder to identify them. |
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I'll chime in my worthless opinion and share what the plan is at my house. I have a G17 as my daily CCW and bedside gun, my wife has a 19. If I had to choose a long gun for home defense I would choose 12ga followed by AK then AR for what I feel would work for me in my situation and what I like.
on a side note, I have recently found somebody who I hope is looking for somebody to adopt, he goes by the name wganz. If he does adopt me I'm going to ask for one of those fancy supressors that he mentioned from him for Christmas, that sounds like fun. 
On another side note: PHO3N1X, welcome to the site.
And to 87GN no offense meant, but I didn't take his(PHO3N1X) post to mean that he is a trigger happy idiot, I actually thought he had some very valid points. Yes he is new to the site but that doesn't mean he has nothing to contibute. 
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I am not a self-defense expert and did not stay at a holiday in express. My answer is based upon thinking about my wife and what to get her. Get a full sized 38 special/357 magnum revolver and load it with whatever round she finds comfortable to shoot. Revolvers are very forgiving to use. 38 special wadcutters are easy to shoot, particularly from a full sized revolver. If there is a home invasion, hopefully she can grab it and hide in a closet until the invader leaves, help arrives, or shoot the fucker at short range when he opens the closet door. If you really want a semi-auto, try her on an M&P9. The different sized back straps give you some flexibility for customizing it to her grip. Plus, I find is really pleasant to shoot. I own a Glock 20 and consider it to be the ideal bedside/office desk gun, but not for my wife. YMMV. ^^^^^^ What he said. This site loves Glock's and 1911's, when asking a question about what to get that's the most likely response. Yes I do think they are good weapons, however newer guns are more practical, as are some older ones. Glocks are not for everyone, would I own one? Sure as a truck or toss around gun, not new and definitely not for carry, I just don't like how they fit in my hand. However with the M&P line you make it fit how you want. My girlfriend loves the feel of my M&P40 fullsize with Insight M3X attached. She can easily rack the slide and when we have a full day off again I'm taking her to the range to try it out. I'll probably wind up getting her an M&P sometime soon. It is a very nice gun and well worth a look. I am also not a fan of a shotgun as primary HD gun. It has a fairly simple manual of arms however can be a little long for many women making it difficult to properly chamber a round and can end up in short stroking. Contrary to popular belief the racking of the slide will more than likely not make the bad guy piss his pants and run away. Revolvers are also a good option so long as she can handle the trigger and recoil, full-size stainless steel guns are a good option. I have a light attached to my gun and also a handheld light beside it, that way even if you forget to grab the handheld you still have the gun-mounted one. Get her out there shooting different guns and find out what she likes the best. |
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I'll chime in my worthless opinion and share what the plan is at my house. I have a G17 as my daily CCW and bedside gun, my wife has a 19. If I had to choose a long gun for home defense I would choose 12ga followed by AK then AR for what I feel would work for me in my situation and what I like. on a side note, I have recently found somebody who I hope is looking for somebody to adopt, he goes by the name wganz. If he does adopt me I'm going to ask for one of those fancy supressors that he mentioned from him for Christmas, that sounds like fun.
On another side note: PHO3N1X, welcome to the site.
And to 87GN no offense meant, but I didn't take his(PHO3N1X) post to mean that he is a trigger happy idiot, I actually thought he had some very valid points. Yes he is new to the site but that doesn't mean he has nothing to contibute.
ETA: fixed drunken spelling errors Doesn't matter how long he's been here, if he shoots at dark shapes in the night, he's a trigger happy idiot. Identifying your target is an important moral and legal requirement for the use of lethal force. |
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Simply because I describe a potential attacker as a 'dark shape' doesn't mean I'm a trigger happy idiot. Yes, yes it does. Would you be so adamant if I had typed "6 foot male wearing dark clothing and ski mask, brandishing a handgun"? No, didn't think so. Being that this is a hypothetical discussion, and not a courtroom, I didn't feel the need to be clinical in my description. I know I'm still young at 22 and don't have the same shooting experience as some of you older folk, but that doesn't make me a fool. I know to identify my target before firing. It's one of the first things they teach you in hunters ed, and the first thing my father taught me at a young age. |
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I'll chime in my worthless opinion and share what the plan is at my house. I have a G17 as my daily CCW and bedside gun, my wife has a 19. If I had to choose a long gun for home defense I would choose 12ga followed by AK then AR for what I feel would work for me in my situation and what I like. on a side note, I have recently found somebody who I hope is looking for somebody to adopt, he goes by the name wganz. If he does adopt me I'm going to ask for one of those fancy supressors that he mentioned from him for Christmas, that sounds like fun.
On another side note: PHO3N1X, welcome to the site.
And to 87GN no offense meant, but I didn't take his(PHO3N1X) post to mean that he is a trigger happy idiot, I actually thought he had some very valid points. Yes he is new to the site but that doesn't mean he has nothing to contibute.
ETA: fixed drunken spelling errors Doesn't matter how long he's been here, if he shoots at dark shapes in the night, he's a trigger happy idiot. Identifying your target is an important moral and legal requirement for the use of lethal force. You're 1,000% correct!!!!! I was just saying that I didn't think he meant to be taken litterally by his statement. His post made some valid points IMO and I don't think he sounded like a noob by his verbage(in fact I think the only noob sounding thing he said was the "blow your ass away" thing), so I don't think he meant that he was going to blast away at any thump in the night. I just thought you might have been a little quick to chastize him, that's all. |
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my wife loves my 17c. she is calling it hers after she bought me a 21 for our anniversary. the 34 might be a bit big to cc.
edit- my wife is 5'2" and 120 lbs soaking wet and she does fine with the 9mm. my 21 that's .45 is too big for her. the biggest thing is to teach her how to use it. a bit of time at the range and a women only pistol class does wonders for confidence in their ability to handle the gun. |
| Many have argued that the flash off the top of a ported barrel and slide disrupts your natural night vision in low light situations. Consider that one may encounter a situation where they have identified a target as a threat and do no desire to give away their position by flicking on the gun light. This may be the case when multiple invaders are in the home. Obviously the muzzle flash alone is enough to have this effect but the eyes will readjust to the dark more rapidly than if they were also exposed to a an additional flash directly in the sight radius. |
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You're 1,000% correct!!!!! I was just saying that I didn't think he meant to be taken litterally by his statement. His post made some valid points IMO and I don't think he sounded like a noob by his verbage(in fact I think the only noob sounding thing he said was the "blow your ass away" thing), so I don't think he meant that he was going to blast away at any thump in the night. I just thought you might have been a little quick to chastize him, that's all. Like I said, I don't care if he is a noob, or 87 years old, if he's saying stuff like "shoot at dark shapes" and "scare them off by racking the slide" then there are large holes in his logic and the rest of his opinion needs to be examined closely. |
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Many have argued that the flash off the top of a ported barrel and slide disrupts your natural night vision in low light situations. Consider that one may encounter a situation where they have identified a target as a threat and do no desire to give away their position by flicking on the gun light. This may be the case when multiple invaders are in the home. Obviously the muzzle flash alone is enough to have this effect but the eyes will readjust to the dark more rapidly than if they were also exposed to a an additional flash directly in the sight radius. test ammo with a compensated gun in the dark. some is really bad as you explained. others are not enough to trash your eye nigh vision. i have a 17c and this is the first thing i did when testing a carry ammo. with the right ammo, the port flash is no brighter than the muzzle flash of a none ported gun. much less than the flash out of the cylinder gap out of a revolver. as others have stated, please identify your targets before pulling the trigger. you shooting your family, friends, and none threatening neighbors gives my guns a bad rap. |
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Simply because I describe a potential attacker as a 'dark shape' doesn't mean I'm a trigger happy idiot. Yes, yes it does. I would open fire too but I have dogs and they don't like strangers. If they are on the attack then odds are so am I. My beside the bed gun is a Glock 19, I also have a 27 but use that for ccw, don't ask me why I sometimes debate on switching the 27 for ccw and beside the bed but I'm strange like that. Depends on each persons situation. |
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The thing that she needs to practice. Most is not marksmanship, it is good safe gun handling skills. It is way harder for someone w/o very deeply ingrained muscle memory to NOT shoot themselves or have AD in a deadly force encounter.
Hand Guns are generally inferior to long guns, but just try & find a woman who can hold an 870 up for more than 1.2 seconds. Maybe a 20 gauge, but not a 12. Manual weapons require more training to deploy effectively under stress. How about a HiPoint Carbine as a small, light easy to operate carbine that she can handle, or a Berreta Storm, or a Glock w/ Mech Tec Uppper. For a Glock Handgun I Suggest: -9mm glock -possibly compensated -33 rd FACTORY magazine -weapon mounted light -snap holster that will keep her from finger fucking the gun when when she reaches for it in the dark. Honestly, she probably won't handle it enough to be able to handle it safely under stress so give her a flash light & a 9" dagger & teach her to thrust rather than swing. |
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G17 Just don't drop it on the stairs. I wouldn't want to drop any gun (loaded or even unloaded for that matter), especially not during a Home Invasion situation when I really need it but I have to ask what was that comment in reference to? If I was going to drop a loaded gun, I would trust dropping my Glock as much or more then most other options. My current HD gun is a G17 with an X300 and a hand held E2 but I have been giving some thought to switching to a G21SF. Grip wise the G21SF and G17 are very similar, the 21SF just being slightly wider. My reasoning has nothing to do with the 9mm not being "enough" rather that it's almost too much from an over penetration standpoint. In my case I have other people in the house I need to worry about and a .45ACP is a little less likely to over penetrate (i.e. go right through the BG) or walls should I miss. From a recoil perspective, if your GF can handle your G23 she should have no problems with the G21SF. |
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I am going to add another vote for the Glock 34 with a weapons mounted light and night sites. I choose the 34 over the 17 because with a weapons mounted light a 17 will darken the lens on the light after a few rounds because the light sticks out further than the barrel. The 34s extra barrel length keeps this from happening. If you need light you REALLY need it and I don't like taking away lumens after a few rounds. We switched from 22cs to 35s for the SWAT team for this reason. You won't need to conceal it and the extra length and better trigger make it slightly easier to shoot well under stress.
Slap in a 33 rounder and you have about as much firepower,accuracy,and reliability in a small package as you could ever buy at any price. |