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12/12/2008 4:52:45 PM EDT
What happens if you have the dreaded Ka Boom using factory SAMMI ammo? Does Glock repair or replace the weapon? Not trying to start a debate, just curious.

BTW I have 2 a 26 and 30.
12/12/2008 5:39:51 PM EDT
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Don't think it is Glock, but the ammo company... at least that would be who Glock would send the bill to.
12/12/2008 7:15:59 PM EDT
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So do they make good on it? Or are you stuck with a jacked hand and busted gun?
12/12/2008 10:06:11 PM EDT
[#3]
Either Glock or the ammo company SHOULD abid by their warranty.

But I'm sure Glock Inc., will always win because the customer service is great.
12/12/2008 10:24:46 PM EDT
[#4]
I doubt you can get either to do anything, BUT did you even have a KB?
12/12/2008 10:31:35 PM EDT
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Glocks don't go boom do they?  Just kidding.  I don't like glocks.  the M&P is far superior.
12/13/2008 5:03:59 PM EDT
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Glocks don't go boom do they?  Just kidding.  I don't like glocks.  the M&P is far superior.


Thanks for enlightening us with your wisdom.

Are you a real S&W cheerleader?

12/13/2008 7:12:57 PM EDT
[#7]
I had my G30 KB on me and couldn't find the blown out brass so I couldn't blame it on Winchester for ammo problems.  Glock replaced my frame for $50 plus the $57 shipping to them but I'm happy I got an updated frame. (The frame was all that was damaged and also my hand and face but those heal for free, always wear shooting glasses it just missed my eye)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/14/2008 9:35:41 AM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?
12/14/2008 11:07:50 AM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?


Yes, KB's are related to bad ammo and can happen to ANY gun.  Glocks are no more likely to KB than any other.

Oh, and the M&P is nice but in no way superior to the Glock.
12/14/2008 12:43:49 PM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?


Yes, KB's are related to bad ammo and can happen to ANY gun.  Glocks are no more likely to KB than any other.

Oh, and the M&P is nice but in no way superior to the Glock.


Correct.

12/14/2008 1:43:22 PM EDT
[#11]
From a recent bombing run in Afghanistan.



But seriously, I love Glock.  I carry a Glock 21SF as my duty weapon, with the GTL22 light and laser.  Outstanding weapon, the best shooting Glock I have ever owned.
12/14/2008 1:47:47 PM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?


Yes, KB's are related to bad ammo and can happen to ANY gun.  Glocks are no more likely to KB than any other.

Oh, and the M&P is nice but in no way superior to the Glock.


Actually yes they are a bit more likely as more of the case is unsupported then in many other designs.

That said, the .40 is a hi pressure round and there isn't much room for any boo boo's in the ammo.

12/14/2008 2:01:02 PM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?


Yes, KB's are related to bad ammo and can happen to ANY gun.  Glocks are no more likely to KB than any other.

Oh, and the M&P is nice but in no way superior to the Glock.


Actually yes they are a bit more likely as more of the case is unsupported then in many other designs.

That said, the .40 is a hi pressure round and there isn't much room for any boo boo's in the ammo.



Its the same pressure as a 9mm.
12/14/2008 2:13:58 PM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?


Yes, KB's are related to bad ammo and can happen to ANY gun.  Glocks are no more likely to KB than any other.

Oh, and the M&P is nice but in no way superior to the Glock.


Actually yes they are a bit more likely as more of the case is unsupported then in many other designs.

That said, the .40 is a hi pressure round and there isn't much room for any boo boo's in the ammo.



Its the same pressure as a 9mm.


Maybe so but i've yet to see the problems with 9mm that the .40 has. I can understand the "it's probably the reloaders fault" because it seems to be the reason the vast majority of the time. However, that does not detract from the history of .40 issues VS nowhere near that many with 9mm even tho they have been out longer. My Glock Armorer friend concurs in that because it wasn't even on the radar scope until after the .40 was out a bit. His idea is part is part of the equasion is that it's partially  due to the cost difference in brass and the 9mm isn't reloaded as many times as the .40 is. They are good handguns and I do believe that the vast majority of the problem IS with the ammo, especially reloaded ammo.

12/14/2008 4:19:55 PM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?


Yes, KB's are related to bad ammo and can happen to ANY gun.  Glocks are no more likely to KB than any other.

Oh, and the M&P is nice but in no way superior to the Glock.


Actually yes they are a bit more likely as more of the case is unsupported then in many other designs.

That said, the .40 is a hi pressure round and there isn't much room for any boo boo's in the ammo.



Many like to blame the unsupported chamber but it always leads back to bad ammo...
12/16/2008 6:30:32 AM EDT
[#16]
A friend of mine had one w/ a 17 and WWB, Glock sent him a new one, don't know if they billed winchester.
12/16/2008 2:40:01 PM EDT
[#17]
mostly if you send a letter to the ammo company on a law office's letter head, things happen quickly.
12/16/2008 2:57:47 PM EDT
[#18]
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Glocks don't go boom do they?  Just kidding.  I don't like glocks.  the M&P is far superior arguably better.


Fixed

12/16/2008 2:59:35 PM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?


Yes, KB's are related to bad ammo and can happen to ANY gun.  Glocks are no more likely to KB than any other.

Oh, and the M&P is nice but in no way superior to the Glock.


Actually yes they are a bit more likely as more of the case is unsupported then in many other designs.

That said, the .40 is a hi pressure round and there isn't much room for any boo boo's in the ammo.



Its the same pressure as a 9mm.


Maybe so but i've yet to see the problems with 9mm that the .40 has. I can understand the "it's probably the reloaders fault" because it seems to be the reason the vast majority of the time. However, that does not detract from the history of .40 issues VS nowhere near that many with 9mm even tho they have been out longer. My Glock Armorer friend concurs in that because it wasn't even on the radar scope until after the .40 was out a bit. His idea is part is part of the equasion is that it's partially  due to the cost difference in brass and the 9mm isn't reloaded as many times as the .40 is. They are good handguns and I do believe that the vast majority of the problem IS with the ammo, especially reloaded ammo.



So the .40 is fine- you just wouldn't exactly consider it a round to be reloaded a bunch of times?

12/16/2008 7:14:55 PM EDT
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Glocks don't go boom do they?  Just kidding.  I don't like glocks.  the M&P is far superior.




Whatever Shirley,  That is why the M&P has outsold Glock over the past 20 years..........oh wait.....they didn't!!!!!

I am glad you like your M&P, It is about time Smith made an auto loader worthy of grouping with their revolvers.

Go Glock or go back to the Smith Section.
12/16/2008 7:40:02 PM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?


Yes, KB's are related to bad ammo and can happen to ANY gun.  Glocks are no more likely to KB than any other.

Oh, and the M&P is nice but in no way superior to the Glock.


Actually yes they are a bit more likely as more of the case is unsupported then in many other designs.

That said, the .40 is a hi pressure round and there isn't much room for any boo boo's in the ammo.



Its the same pressure as a 9mm.


Maybe so but i've yet to see the problems with 9mm that the .40 has. I can understand the "it's probably the reloaders fault" because it seems to be the reason the vast majority of the time. However, that does not detract from the history of .40 issues VS nowhere near that many with 9mm even tho they have been out longer. My Glock Armorer friend concurs in that because it wasn't even on the radar scope until after the .40 was out a bit. His idea is part is part of the equasion is that it's partially  due to the cost difference in brass and the 9mm isn't reloaded as many times as the .40 is. They are good handguns and I do believe that the vast majority of the problem IS with the ammo, especially reloaded ammo.



So the .40 is fine- you just wouldn't exactly consider it a round to be reloaded a bunch of times?



I've reloaded a batch of .40 cases 13 times, just to see if it could be done.  No problems or issues, I chucked 'em after 13 just to be safe.  I usually load 'em to 10 times then chuck 'em.

Yeah, stock Glock barrel.  No problems at all.
12/16/2008 8:25:47 PM EDT
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What kind of "Ka Boom" problem are you talking about?

I am shopping for a Glock now, can't decide but I think I want the G30.   Is there something I should know?


Yes, KB's are related to bad ammo and can happen to ANY gun.  Glocks are no more likely to KB than any other.

Oh, and the M&P is nice but in no way superior to the Glock.


Actually yes they are a bit more likely as more of the case is unsupported then in many other designs.

That said, the .40 is a hi pressure round and there isn't much room for any boo boo's in the ammo.



Many like to blame the unsupported chamber but it always leads back to bad ammo...


I see alot of this "unsupported chamber" stuff about Glocks.  What exactly does this mean?  How is a Glock chamber any different then any other handgun?  I'm not saying your wrong I'm just not sure what you mean.

Nic4433

12/16/2008 8:27:18 PM EDT
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Glocks don't go boom do they?  Just kidding.  I don't like glocks.  the M&P is far superior.


I bought a M&P .40 because I thought they would be better than Glocks.  The mag fell out of the gun evertime I fired it.  I traded it for a G19.  No regrets.  

Nic4433
12/16/2008 10:35:22 PM EDT
[#24]
When my G20 KB'd in 93, Glock sent me a new one with night sights and sold me a G23 with NS through my dealer for $235. I still carry the 23 everyday and have well over 50,000 rounds through it.

Winchester sent me 500 rounds of ball ammo and 100 rounds of JHP for free!

This being said, this was NOT Glocks fault, I was shooting Win 180gr. subsonics and the gun just blew, yes at the unsupported portion of the case but with the damage to the gun and to me Glock and Winchester both agreed it was an over charged case.

It blew the last five rounds, the follower and the spring through the base plate, but the mag body stayed in the gun. It blew out the trigger and slide stop, inch and a half burn on trigger finger, bruised thumb nail where either trigger or slide stop hit it while going bang. I also had fifteen pieces of shrapnel in my forearms and face, and still have a piece of brass in my right eye. Wear eye protection people!

None of this was the guns fault, yes the unsupported chamber did not help, but the overpressure had to go somewhere. The case was nearly 50% compromised, so it was way past anything the gun could handle.

Some people on this board give Glock a bad rap, in my 15 years of dealing with Glock and owning 20+ of their products over that time, their customer service and quality is inferior to none.