Posted: 4/23/2008 4:14:53 AM EDT
| Did it not strip a round from the mag, or did it jamb while chambering it? I'd check the mags first and go from there. You could send it back to Glock and have them go through it. Could be an ammo problem but I've nenver had any problems with Winchester. You could try different ammo. Might need to be broken in but I just got a 19 and 17 and they have run flawlessly for me so far. Had a 30 before them and it was flawless also. You are righht that it is unacceptable, especially for a carry piece. I try those things and send it back if that doesn't work. Good luck. |
| Its jambing while chambering, so really the round is not going in far enough for the slide to fully close, leaving it open a 1/2" or so. I guess I will try a different mag than the two supplied as they both do it, and try some different ammo. If that doesn't help seems like sending it in may be the only option. |
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Although I've never had a lemon Glock, we did have a very unreliable batch of T&E guns at the PD one time. The G21 was getting light primer strikes, the G22 made it through only three mags the whole day without a malfunction, but the GAP was 100% reliable. All, except the GAP, were NIB at the beginning of the day, and the Glock rep "prepped" them for the T&E. Just as a side note, I took a class with Bruce Gray this weekend and went through 1700 rounds in 3 days. No cleaning or lubing my Gen 1 G17 at all, either, with no malfunctions. |
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First of all, it sounds like you're shooting Winchester White Box? Also, while we're all used to, and expect Glocks to run 100 % out of the box, I have heard that Glock has made changes to their manufacturing process resulting in tighter slide to frame fit, and they have stated some guns may need a break in period. I also recently tested some G22's and G23's that were returned from a local PD for reliability issues. I experienced a few FTF and FTE on some pistols in the first couple hundred rounds but that was it. I purchased a couple of them and have not had a problem since. I would do the following; 1. Try a different ammo (i.e. Speer Lawman, Blazer Brass) and do not shoot Winchester White Box especially in .40 2. Be sure your wrist is locked when shooting 3. Shoot it more 4. Report back to us |
Is WWB not good in .40? I've run a few hundred (100+ today) through my G17 without incident. |
I used to buy and shoot a lot of WWB in 9mm and some .40. I noticed that my .40 Glocks were grouping 4"-6" at very short ranges... really bad, it was clearly the ammo. I've also noticed some bad rounds, mainly pushed in bullet heads (inconsistent bullet seating in general). I've also been hearing about poor QC in general with WWB. This has made me shy away from using it. For roughly the same money, you could purchase Blazer Brass which is much better in my opinion. |
Ok, thanks for the info. I was also thinking my shooting has gone to shit because of my group sizes yesterday at very short ranges. I'll try some different ammo and see if I get improvements. Thanks again. |
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Wasn't the WWB/Glock combo problematic because WWB uses brass jacketed bullets instead of copper? I thought I read that somewhere, maybe here? At the PD I worked for before getting injured, we used Winchester Ranger SXT 165gr .40's for duty ammo and 165gr WWB for what little "training" we actually received through the PD. We were shooting S&W's, and the grop size was the same between the two different ammos. It must have something to do with the polygonal rifling in the Glock barrel. |
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winchester isn't the best ammo gor the glocks. The best to put through the glock is American Eagle. Best ammo on the market for my opinion. I put atleast 3000 rounds through my glock with only 1 stove pipe, and the bullet was a winchester round. Hope this helps. Thanks- |
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Try the 180 grainers, and put at least 500 rounds thru it before taking further action. Make sure you use only a LIGHT oil for lube on the sliderails: I know a guy who used GREASE on his SIG then noted that it started to jam. The grease had actually slowed the slide down enough to cause FTF's. Cleaning the grease off and returning to a light oil solved that problem. Just my $.02 |
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So as an update from my end hear ya go.... Thanks so far for all the responses everyone. 1. Yes I am/was using FMJ Winchester 180 gr. White Box Ammo. 2. Been sick the past few days so haven't had a chance yet to retest gun with different ammo. 3. Have multiple semi-autos with no failures through any from limpwrist, ammo, etc. And have shot over 500 rounds through a friends glock 22 with the exact same ammo, no failures, but this is a smaller frame gun. 4. Just checked and saw that my glock says made in Austria and in Georgia, which if I remember right some had said led to new tolerances causing some failures. 5. Have been reading up on the limp wristing and glocks in general and it seems that they are some of the most prone semi-autos to limp wrist, so am trying to research more ways to prevent limp wristing. My biggest worry is if limpwristing as much of you lead to believe is the problem, since this gun will be a CCW gun, should I worry about the fact that I may not have the time and ability to get a perfect "range" grip on the gun therefor ending up with a limpwrist, or am I reading to much into it? Thanks again, and hopefully will make it to the range soon to let you know results with different ammo. |
personally, I'd try some different ammo but before you shoot it again field srip it and check it over real good to make sure there are no burrs anywhere on the slide or frame rails and nothing is dragging anywhere. From your OP it doesn't sound like limpwristing to me, not that I am an expert by any means, but you said it happened with other people as well. Cycle the action carefully with the ammo to try and see were the rounds might be hanging up next time you're at the range. I like to keep my slide generously lubed with Mobil1, not dripping off, but deffinitely more than a drop here and there. FWIW I've had a G30 and now own a 17 and 19. Glocks are quality weapons in my opinion. Never had any failures out of any of them. I've even tried limpwristing my G30 and could never get it to jamb. If it keeps on being problematic, don't hesitate to send it back through the dealer you got it from. Glock will take care of you. Keep us posted. |
WWB is my prefered/favorite practice ammo in 9mm,.40 S&W,.357 Sig and .45 ACP. It was also my go to .223 ammo, that is, when it was 7.50 per 40 rounds at Walmart. Ahh the good ole days, gas was 2.00 a gallon and I could afford to shoot my rifles as much as I wanted... I haven't ever had issues using WWB pistol ammo. Its been clean and exceedingly reliable in my gaggle of Glocks, Sig's, HK's, Beretta's and Walther's. Accuracy isn't match grade, but its always been adequate. I have shot untold thousands of rounds in several calibers without issue. I have had way more trouble with UMC yellow and green box. Though I am shooting more UMC green box in both 9mm and .40 as Walmart was clearancing them out for 6.00 a box of 50. I went to every Walmart in the are and ended up with 1200+ rounds.  When I got my Glock 23, I had some feeding/ejection issues. It turned out that I had a pair of bad 13 round magazines. I am not sure what the issue was, but when I would load them I could clearly see the 13'th round in the witness hole. In my new/reliable magazines, you can only see the 12th round in the witness hole, even though there are 13 in the magazine. Sounds kinda weird, I know...Im not exactly sure what was wrong with those magazines, but using replacements cured the problem. |
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Be sure to mark your mags and pay attention to which one might be giving you trouble. Also, when you field strip it, check the feed ramp of the barrel and see if it might have any marks that might give you a clue, since you said the round was not seating all the way into the chamber it might be getting caught up on the ramp someplace. I would also double check the guide rod and spring. |
that is the answer, my G19 did the same thing. tried different mags and it worked, put my mags in a different gun and it jammed. sent the gun back to glock and recieved new mags with different style followers and they polished the feed ramp for good measure. since then about 11,000 rounds and no feeding problems. |