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10/13/2007 4:06:18 PM EDT
Does anyone know what was changed in GEN 3 to the GEN 4 Glock 19?  Or have some type of educated guess?

Thanks.
10/13/2007 8:16:59 PM EDT
[#1]

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Does anyone know what was changed in GEN 3 to the GEN 4 Glock 19?  Or have some type of educated guess?

Thanks.

Do they make a Gen 4 G19?  I'm not aware of one.
10/13/2007 8:17:48 PM EDT
[#2]
I thought Gen 3s are the newest?
10/13/2007 8:23:02 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Does anyone know what was changed in GEN 3 to the GEN 4 Glock 19?  Or have some type of educated guess?

Thanks.

Do they make a Gen 4 G19?  I'm not aware of one.


It was posted on wikipedia.org that a 4th gen glock is being produced but as of 10/05/2007 Glock has not made an official announcement of what it is.  Also, I read somewhere on this site and others about it. I don't know if it is BS or not but their seem to be  people talking about it. That’s why I posted here to see if anybody knows about it.
10/13/2007 8:58:03 PM EDT
[#4]
The 4th gen are the ones with ambidextrous mag release. They may have the new tacticrap rails, like the G21SF.

They take a work of art like the G19 and turn it into a shit stained canvas.
10/13/2007 9:07:59 PM EDT
[#5]

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The 4th gen are the ones with ambidextrous mag release. They may have the new tacticrap rails, like the G21SF.

They take a work of art like the G19 and turn it into a shit stained canvas.



What’s wrong with the new rails. Just curious because I'm about to guy G19 and want the best one.
10/13/2007 10:46:12 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The 4th gen are the ones with ambidextrous mag release. They may have the new tacticrap rails, like the G21SF.

They take a work of art like the G19 and turn it into a shit stained canvas.



What’s wrong with the new rails. Just curious because I'm about to guy G19 and want the best one.


The 3rd gen has the old style rail, which is good if you want a rail.
The 4th gen has a rail like a cheese-grater and would be prone to snagging. It's bulky and overkill.

Some people may like the 4th gen rails.

If you want a G19, go with the 3rd gen or earlier. If you don't like the finger grooves, go with a 1st or 2nd gen. Other than that there really isn't much of a difference... The older models don't have the extractor "safety" bump, and they have one less pin to deal with during disassembly, which is really nothing to be concerned about.


Here's a couple comparison pics...

Notice the difference in the grip, and the lack of a rail on the 1st and 2nd gen frames?
Frame gen differences

This is a close-up of the 3rd gen rail:
3rd gen rail

This is the 4th gen rail:
(4th gen) Picatinny rail


Hope that helps.
If it didn't, go here.
10/14/2007 3:21:53 AM EDT
[#7]
you don't have to have those rails or the ambi-mag release on a GLOCK 21SF...perhaps you won't on this 4th Gen 19...
Bill
10/14/2007 6:34:02 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
The 4th gen are the ones with ambidextrous mag release. They may have the new tacticrap rails, like the G21SF.

They take a work of art like the G19 and turn it into a shit stained canvas.



What’s wrong with the new rails. Just curious because I'm about to guy G19 and want the best one.


The 3rd gen has the old style rail, which is good if you want a rail.
The 4th gen has a rail like a cheese-grater and would be prone to snagging. It's bulky and overkill.

Some people may like the 4th gen rails.

If you want a G19, go with the 3rd gen or earlier. If you don't like the finger grooves, go with a 1st or 2nd gen. Other than that there really isn't much of a difference... The older models don't have the extractor "safety" bump, and they have one less pin to deal with during disassembly, which is really nothing to be concerned about.


Here's a couple comparison pics...

Notice the difference in the grip, and the lack of a rail on the 1st and 2nd gen frames?
Frame gen differences

This is a close-up of the 3rd gen rail:
3rd gen rail

This is the 4th gen rail:
(4th gen) Picatinny rail


Hope that helps.
If it didn't, go here.



Those rails do suck for CCW.
10/14/2007 1:59:26 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
The 4th gen are the ones with ambidextrous mag release. They may have the new tacticrap rails, like the G21SF.

They take a work of art like the G19 and turn it into a shit stained canvas.


Dude, its a Glock.
10/14/2007 4:51:11 PM EDT
[#10]
Most of my Glocks are Gen 2's, but I do have a Gen 1 G17 which I prefer over the Gen 2's and above.  I have large hands, but the grip is slightly thinner and it has an even texture all the way around.  I have a few Gen 2.5's, too.  Even though I don't like the finger grooves on 9mm or .40 Glocks, I do like the feel of them on my Gen 2.5 G20.

No Gen 3's for me.  Living in MA, compliant Gen 3's are next to non-existant for less than $700-$1000 used.  A rail isn't that important to me!

Even if you like the look and feel of a Gen 1 G19, good luck finding one.  Gen 1 G17's are out there and available, but I heard there was less than 1000 Gen 1 G19's produced.  I've seen them sold for anywhere from $850-$1200.  Again, I like that grip, but not enough to make me pay that much for a Gen 1 G19 over a Gen 2 G19!
10/14/2007 7:38:15 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The 4th gen are the ones with ambidextrous mag release. They may have the new tacticrap rails, like the G21SF.

They take a work of art like the G19 and turn it into a shit stained canvas.


Dude, its a Glock.



I double your , they fucked up the glock by putting on those rails
10/16/2007 7:33:25 AM EDT
[#12]

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I double your , they fucked up the glock by putting on those rails


IMHO, the finger grooves were a bigger fuck up.  
10/16/2007 8:28:07 AM EDT
[#13]
I like the finger grooves. If I was buying a full size Glock, the new rail would be fine. I wouldn't want it on a CCW though. I don't want any rails on my CCW.
10/16/2007 10:38:16 AM EDT
[#14]
Just FYI, the mag catchs and rails are just options, not a new generation.
10/20/2007 6:34:36 PM EDT
[#15]
I received my G19 today and nothing seems to be different. Cosmetically anyway. Says Date collected is after 10/05/07.
10/20/2007 11:38:31 PM EDT
[#16]
FWIW...a couple of us tried a new 21sf in three different kydex holsters for a regular 21 and it wouldn't fit because of the new rail. Blade Tech, Comp Tac, and a Serpa.  YMMV.
10/21/2007 8:28:11 PM EDT
[#17]
If they put that picatinny on the gen 4, i'll be buying all my future glocks as used 2nd & 3rd's.
10/22/2007 5:18:32 PM EDT
[#18]
Are they putting that rail on all of the models now?
10/22/2007 5:19:57 PM EDT
[#19]


That goes for Glock "upgrades as well"
10/22/2007 5:27:41 PM EDT
[#20]

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Are they putting that rail on all of the models now?


I bought a G19 that was received and inspected on a date after the supposed change. Nothing seems to be different.  I’m starting to believe it is BS.
10/22/2007 6:03:34 PM EDT
[#21]
It's probably just the ambi mag release. I have seen new Glock 17 mags with the ambi release notch like the 21SF mags.
10/22/2007 7:24:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Ride the wave of change,

or be crushed beneath it.
10/23/2007 6:59:32 PM EDT
[#23]
Wow you guys are behind.

The G21SF is available with different combinations of the standard GLOCK rail, picatinny rail, ambi mag catch and regular mag catch.

The G17 and another model or two are available overseas with the ambi catch as an option, but not the rail, and not in the USA.

This is not a generation change at all, simply a couple of options that are available.

Kind of seems like GLOCK is just testing the waters with the options to see if anyone would want them before allowing the options to be available across the whole line.