Posted: 9/13/2006 11:44:37 AM EDT
| I am currently in the Criminal Justice Program in a small town in Iowa. Our firearms instructor recently recieved a new 9mm M&P from Smith and Wesson for a test firing. They sent it to him for free, and they bought all the ammo. We only shot it for two days. The first day we shot 500 rounds, and there was only one malfunction. It ripped off part of the rim of the empty case, and wouldn't eject. We had to use a cleaning rod to remove it. My instructor said this was from the operator not locking his elbow. (i just hung my head when he said that). The next day we fired 1000 rounds with no malfunctions. But, I should get to the point...its a GLOCK! When we took it apart for cleaning, i noticed how true this was...its pretty much a copy of a Glock...has anyone else noticed this??? What are your thoughts? |
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John Sanchez brought a couple to our range before Shot this year. We put 1000 rounds through it between two of us, as fast as we could load the magazine. Even managed to use the .40 mag to fire 9mm. Odd that it worked. I thought that this pistol combined all the best features of the Glock and Sig lines. The best part, to me, is the interchangeable back strap. Nice for an agency that has a wide cross section of physical traits. I felt that it could be just as fast as my Glock with a little more time behind the gun, but it was sort of top heavy, similar to the XD during firing. Not a bad pistol, but I'm not convinced just yet. |
Other than the fact that this is the GLOCK forum, why the negative vibes to the S&W guns? Now admittedly I've never shot either ( I know, I have limited handgun experience) but I can't say I've ever heard anything bad about any S&W gun for that matter.Just thought I'd ask, since the M&Ps were pretty slick looking pistols. Although, I think I'm still gonna go for the GLOCK 30. But only time will tell. |
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The M&P is a nice gun but you're right. it's a Glock knock-off. It has a couple nice features like adjustable grips but that doesn't offer much for a guy with average size hands. The only folks who benefit are those with very small or very large hands and maybe those who want to make the grip feel like some other gun they are familiar with. If you're just starting out it is a good choice but you will have to contend with limited availability of magazines and parts until it becomes established. It will probably never get the level of aftermarket support you get with Glocks. Another concern would be how serious S&W is about the M&P. If it doesn't catch on you might end up with a white elephant. If you are looking to get into a career that involves carrying a sidearm I recommend Glocks because they are plentiful, (relatively) inexpensive, utterly reliable, and will still be around long after you retire. |
I played with one again today, courtesy of the Western Regional Sales rep, John Sanchez. The one I fired did not have a magazine safety, and is available to the public like the remainder of the line. This pistol is modular and can be had with and without that feature. I think that this pistol is actually going to take off in the next year. A lot of agencies want Smith and Wesson's name and, believe it or not, the customer service. They have always taken care of any problem I've had, though I can't speak for others. The M&P is a viable answer to agencies with officers who aren't clones and all have different preferences. It is truly ambidextrous and I can't understand why someone would have trouble manually activating the slide catch. After all, it isn't even marketed as a slide release, but that's for a thread in the tactics forum. The .45 version, said to be the same size as the 9mm and .40 cal, will likely unveil at Shot '07. This gun has the best features of the Glock and Sig lines, some extras thrown in (like the locking mechanism that can easily be turned into an applied safety) and from what I can see, no real drawbacks. |
somewhat, but there are some basic operating principles that are common to many pistols. I'm just waiting for SIG to release a striker fired pistol, hell they've already made a 1911 that doesn't suck(with an external extractor no less!) so I'm curious if they'll come up with something Glock-esque |
The Sig Pro is Glock like,It might not be striker fired,but with its polymer frame it is a Glock Knock off none the less.I am not saying that every new pistol on the market is a Glock clone,just that almost every new pistol on the market has at least one feature that Glock pioneered.
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that's like saying that the Glock is a VP-70 knockoff. just because it has a polymer frame does not mean it's a knockoff. |
| I seriously doubt that the current crop of tupperware ,or striker fired pistols would have been introduced ,if the Glock had not been as successful as it has been!So IMHO ,if your pistol shares one of these traits it is a Glock knock off,trying to cash in on Glocks financial success. |