[ARCHIVED THREAD] - G19 failed torture test Miserably!! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/22/2006 1:37:21 PM EDT
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What can I say. After reading the torture test thread, I thought I would give it a try myself. Glock 19, Gen 3 Lubed w/full 15rd mag inserted Titanium guide rod w/ISMI standard weight spring I took my 19 to the range here in West FL today and dropped in a pile of sand, scooped it around a bit and pulled it out. The gun was clear with a loaded mag and closed slide. I shook the debris from the barrel and tried to rack. Upon trying to chamber the first round it wouldn't even chamber, the slide wouldn't close, and the mag wouldn't feed. I cleared a retried with the same results. Kind of disappointing. The guide rod wouldn't even return to it's housing, the spring froze up. The trigger reset failed and taking it down was a BI^(#!!. To get it to operate I had to spray it off from a spicket, clear the sand out and lube to reset the trigger safety. I'm not knocking the glock, but, I AM disappointed that MINE failed the first test it was subjected to a test today. I guess they are not all the same. Maybe next time I'll completely unlube and degrease it before the test. I will however try again to see what the results would be. |
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Thanks for the kind words everyone!! You show such a interesting side of your personality here on ARF.COM. What are you...3? I guess if you swim with shit... The torture test was simply a test. NO BS for you out there who don't believe. I didn't know I HAD to show proof, if you must see it come to FL and watch it for yourself. Like I'm trying to talk myself up or something. GIVE ME A FRACKING BREAK!!! Bottom line, It failed my test, I was disappointed. I will be trying again with both guide rods and many other medias, ways of loaded. If you don't have nothing better to do than bastardize someone's thread, go somewhere else. I guess I couldn't much from here anyways. It doesn't take that many brain cells to pull a trigger HUH? Conserve what you have left, all the typing is ruining the last two for breathing and eating. Not everyone here made an A$$ out of themselves, I understand in the field you use what you got. I used a spicket and it worked fine afterwards, no biggie. I wish I had taken pics and video, I'd make some of you put your own foot in your mouth.        
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I don't care how tough your gun is supposed to be. Why would anyone intentionally roll their $500 firearm in sand and then bitch because it doesn't work? It's kind of like crashing your Volvo on purpose and then bitching because you broke your leg. My G19 has performed flawlessly in any condition that I have needed to shoot it in. That is all that I can ask for. Oh yeah, get rid of the stupid Titanium guide rod.
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No, Winston, the Glock did not malfunction because Glocks do not malfunction. Now let's go over the rules again:
Please review and remember these rules. If you attempt this again, you may be charged with the crime of thought against The Glock and an attempt to instigate independant thought amongst the people here. Now go post pictures of your G19 daily carry piece. |
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As was already stated, I am pretty sure the torture tests are performed with a round in the chamber when the gun is being dropped into foreign matter. This simulates a gun which would be dropped in it's combat ready state. If it's not in a combat ready state, that means you have the luxury of cleaning the gun at leisure anyway, so the torture test doesn't matter. That first round keeps an excessive amount of junk from getting into the chamber in the first place, and then once the gun is given a quick shake, the act of firing that first round performs the further required cleaning of any excess foreign matter from the internals. The design of the gun determines how well that first shot purges the gun of excess dirt, sand, etc. This is one of the reasons I wouldn't put a grip plug on a true combat gun. If there is sand packed in the trigger block area, it will be purged through the open grip area. You throw a plug in there, and you are trapping that garbage, increasing the chances you are going to cause problems. |
And ALL Springfield M1A's problems are because of the shooter. On note of the actual thread, go back to the original guide rod. A friends G17 functioned perfectly after being submerged in the silt at the bottom of a pond in the woods. I'll trust anything that functions through that crap |
How well "lubed" was the gun?  Sounds like way too well. I have gone through a number of drills that involve dropping a slide-locked G19 in the sand, transitioning to another weapon, re-acquiring the Glock, shaking the sand out briefly, reloading, and firing. I've never had an issue.
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Addressing the lube issue, The gun WAS lubed, it was how I normally would carry it, A drop on each rail, a little on the barrel, and a drop in the springs of the trigger and engagement surfaces. I don't think it was overlubed by any means. The test with nothing in the cheamber- I got the idea from the test videos posted here of a G17 tested with an open slide in media. NO, this will probably NEVER happen to anyone in real life, I tried it as a TEST to see what the results would be. FL sand is very bad stuff, IT DOES GET IN ANYTHING and everywhere!! This G19 IS the same one I carry for a carry piece, I still would and do trust my life to it or my G23, as I KNOW something like this would almost certainly NEVER happen. This same glock has been submerged in water, frozen, thrown during a motorcycle accident, and ran over, NEVER had a hiccup! THIS WAS A TEST, AND ONLY A TEST!! NEXT TIME I WILL TRY IT WITH BOTH GUIDE ROD ASSEMBLIES. NO BIG DEAL!!!!!!! PS. READ ABOVE SENTENCE BEFORE POSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAVE A NICE DAY
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Really? I once heard that you could take a Glock apart, sink the frame into one slab of curing concrete, and drop the slide into another totally different slab of curing concrete, wait for them to dry and have an interstate highway built on top of them, and they would still fire 30,000 rounds under concrete without being reloaded , through the phenomenon of "telekinetic Glock operation" by their owner after he was dead from old age.  You guys crack me up! |
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ROTFLMAO. You answered my question about "too much lube". Reminded me of a story I recently heard about how "horrible dem Glocks er." Glock rep sitting behind table at a shoot, probably as the "certified tech". Bozo walks up towards the table and tosses the gun through the air at the rep. Gun lands on table followed by "I just bought this piece of crap and now it won't shoot!" Rep racks slide back and sees white stuff. Disassembly shows the entire pistol is CAKED with Crisco. You know the stuff, animal lard. Seems this bozo read online that cooking oil is the BEST LUBE in the Gallexy. "If a little is good....then more must be better." Why Crisco? No F'n idea. After a thorough 'degreasing', the pistol shot fine. Refer to rule number one (operator induced malfunction). I'm not a die hard fan like Fglocker_Plz, but I do know they work under normal circumstances. I'm pretty sure that no pistol will pass your initial torture test. Whatever media you used, if it locked up a Glock (not that they are unfalable) then it would certainly lock up anything else too. Have you done similar tests (same media, same process) on other pistols/rifles? |
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I'll bet if you do it again, with the stock guide rod it will pass. Glocks run best stock. I have had guys put aftermarket parts on their duty guns and they run like crap. When the aftermarket stuff comes off, they run great. Also Glocks run fine dry. Or with very little lube. I suspect the combination of the lube you used and the fine sand made glue. So I would propose.... Try it again with all stock parts and no lube. Then report back. To be fair to a gun, you really should test it stock. With no aftermarket parts or other additives. |
BINGO #1
BINGO #2 LB |
My Glock 17 shooting Wolf/Brown Bear is accurate enough for government work. I can properly ventilate a 8.5"x11" sheet of paper at 25 yd in the standing bladed-weaver position shooting rapid-fire and I'm pretty new to pistol shooting. I may not be good enough for IDPA/IPSC or X-ring shooting, but it's a big step up from when I started (30 rd, nothing, NOT A SINGLE SHOT, hit the paper at 25 yd). |