[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Glock vs. HK (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/7/2006 1:23:12 PM EDT
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I have noticed that there is this big competition between Glock and HK owners. HK guys usually bash Glocks, and Glock guys usually bash HK's. I am guilty of this myself, being a Glock owner. Now we all know that Glock supports and caters to their customers. While HK somewhat doesn’t care about civilian sells of "evil black rifles" but does warranty their product as Glock does. When you look at Bigbore's torture test of the Glock 21. Reliability and SHTF are the first things that come to mind. HK's cost significantly more than a Glock. So my question is what are you paying for? The name? I think that most of the HK guys got started in Airsoft and made there way to real guns when they turned 21. Played too many video games and think HK is the best. Glock is used by the biggest percentage of LE. And is the most popular semi-auto handgun in the United States. Not to mention it has a superior design and is super reliable. So HK and airsoft go hand in hand. I think most of the people in the HK forum are tennie-bopers still fixated on airsoft and have no real life practical experience with a real handgun. Sure HK is a decent handgun, but so is Sig, Ruger, Beretta, ect. There is just nothing that sets an HK above the rest IMO. Glock has proven itself time and time again. HK hasn’t. So I believe that Glock is #1. |
For me its Glock. It just fits my hand better, and I shoot them better. I fired a friends HK USP Tactical .45 side by side with my G21, and I shot the Glock better. I think the USP is an excellent sidearm, just not for me. I just can't bring myself to spend that much money on a sidearm, rifles yes, sidearm no. IMO, the cost of the USP is too much for what it is, another polymer framed ugly black gun. I'm not sure why they cost so much, especially since one of the reasons for the polymer frame is reduced cost to manufacture. Imagine what an all steel USP would cost then, geez!! In my area new HK USP's go for about $700 to $1200, depending on model. New Glocks are between $480 and $650 depending on model, and which shop you go to. |
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Neither one is better, but your reasoning is moronic. Really, I'm not being funny, that was some of the most inept logic I have ever had the displeasure of being exposed to. You ought to read a bit before you mention how HK doesn't like the civilian market, black rifles or not, since every time they have tried to import weapons into this country, our politicians come up with a new and ingenious way of banning them. Yeah, HK is a bunch of bastards for giving up trying to change their entire product line at our every whim. Glocks are good, however some people have had KB's with them... statistically this is probably not a big deal, since you are bound to have some failures just based on the sheer numbers of them that are in circulation. Likewise, perhaps the HK has a better reputation simply because there are fewer of them out there, so even with a statistically similar number of failures you'd hear of fewer of them. I don't know. I do know that I've owned glocks and HK's, and they both great, but for different things; If I wanted a very small and concealable weapon, the baby glock series fits the bill. The glock 18 is hella fun to shoot, and would be useful for someone in VIP protection that couldn't conceal an SMG. But if I wanted a battle sidearm, I'd go with a fullsize USP .45, preferably the tactical. No out of the box glock can touch that weapon. As it is now, I have two weapons on my CCW, one is a fullsize 1911, and the other is my HK .40 compact. |
Where do you shop? They're ripping you off. HK's start in the high five hundreds, and the the most expensive I've seen so far, excluding the MK23 SOCOM, is the new USPC .45 Tactical, and that was was $999, mostly because of the "new" factor. |
In your dreams. The G21 has higher mag capacity, better reliablilty, easier to operate. Oh, yeah, if you didnt know, HK has a factory on US soil and still refuses to produce civilian versions of thier "evil black rifles". 
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Had a glock, sold it off after I realized how much better my HK was, reliablity-wise and accuracy-wise. Wouldn't buy another glock again. I would buy HK again though, they're lightyears ahead of glock. Glock's most impressive accomplishment is it's marketing machine, not its weapons. |
OK, you win. Glock is the best thing ever. 
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No they are not, because I don't buy HK's. Kind of hard to rip me off when I'm not buying them. There's only two places in my area that stock HK. Sportsman's Warehouse and a small local shop, and those are the typical prices. Ocasionally they will have a sale and they'll have a basic USP 9 or .40 for around $600. Even if USP's were the same price as Glock's I still wouldn't buy them. Like I said the Glock fits me better and I shoot them better. I think the HK USP is a fine sidearm, its just not for me. |
You know what I meant. I will never understand people who get caught up in semantics... you inflated the prices and I pointed out they can be had for less. Do you remember which HK model you saw for $1200? |
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I don't see most HK owners as being into Glock bashing. I'm an HK owner. I also own a glock. I do see a lot of Glock owners who like to bash 1911s, HKs, and everything else under the sun. I think Glock owners are a little insecure or something. It's a one sided rivalry, for the most part. ETA: I've never played airsoft and I've been shooting since I was 7 years old. I carry an HK in my daily life. It points right for me and it has a much nicer trigger than a glock for me. I think maybe you're one of those insecure Glock owners I was referring to. Why does it bother you that some people like HKs more? If you don't see why they're better, then they're NOT better for you. They're better for me. Grow up. |
You know what I meant. I will never understand people who get caught up in semantics... you inflated the prices and I pointed out they can be had for less. Do you remember which HK model you saw for $1200? I did not inflate the prices. That is what they go for in my area. I did not see a single one for less than $700 recently. The model I saw for $1200 was an HK USP Tactical .45 at Sportsman's Warehouse. The small local shop has the same gun for $1049. |
I can't say I agree with everything you said but I would agree with these two points...
HK's do seem to be well made, reliable firearms but I don't see where they have much, if any, advantage over the Glock? The only thing I think is kind of cool about the HK (at least the USP line) is the number of different trigger action types that can be changed (by the factory) at the owners whim. The fact that is has to be sent back to the factory to do that takes away a lot of that advantage though IMO. The HK does have a more comfortable grip (for me anyway) but I hate the high bore axis. Basically for me, I can damn near buy 2 Glocks for the cost of one HK but even if they cost the same, I would still buy the Glock first as I feel it has a number of advantages over the HK. YMMV |
There is no need to send them to the factory. In fact, for changing between the 10 variants on a DA/SA USP, it's anywhere from 10 seconds (literally) of work to a couple of minutes. Changing to a DAO or a LEM is a little more work, but nothing anybody with a brain and the ability to read can' thandle. The advantages for me, as I pointed out earlier, are a sane grip angle and a smaller grip diameter than a glock. I also prefer to only have a SA trigger pull. If it wasn't for those things I'd probably be carrying a glock. |
I stand corrected. I thought I had read somewhere that you did, if for no other reason then because the parts were hard\impossible to come by? I fully admit I do not own an HK or spend much time reading up on them so I'll take you word on it. |
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The problem with you Americans is that you can own lots of guns and have a huge selection to choose from, thus opening a nieche for senseless debates such as "Who's better?". Were you restricted to one handgun only, you would have chosen the best gun for you (suited to your needs, preferences, budget and when/where are you carrying) and wouldn't go around bashing other people for their gun preferences. In the context of this thread - GLOCK is the best FOR ME, mainly due to budget issues (USP prices are outragous around here - the lowest price I've found was about 1700USD, for the gun alone. For comparison: GLOCK 17 is around 1050USD, 17C is around 1200USD and an improved 17C is 1400, and there are alot of used guns lying around. I've bought my improved 19C for 600USD) |
First off - if you want to hang out and make comments on an American forum - I suggest you check your attitude  I'd rather live in a place that provides me with too many options then be brainwashed into thinking that being "allowed" to only own one firearm is somehow a good thing |
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I prefer H&K. Because it fits in my hand better and the trigger function works much better for me. Also, I don't like the way Glocks take down, it's just not as natural for me as the USP. Oh, and a couple questions for you Glock owners. (these are not sarcastic) Is it true that Glock reccomends not shooting reloads? What about +P or +P+ ammo? thanks |
YMMV, but I think the "no reloads" recommendation is pretty common among a lot of manufacturers. If not factory ammo I shoot a lot of HSM through my Glocks with no issues. Glocks are fully rated for +P+, but like any other gun a steady diet of this will accelerate wear. As far as "the best", an over-arching, end-all answer to that question will never come - it'll continue to generate as much churn as 9mm vs .45, 1911 vs whatever, etc. Purely subjective for most folks. I chose Glock for myself, because for me it's the simplicity of the design and the inexpensive mags. Of all the pistols I own it's primarily been the Glock I've carried, because intrisically it just "feels" like a better, no muss, no fuss go-to sidearm that I've learned to shoot most naturally and reliably. FWIW I also own a full-size USP 45 - was excellent cond I happened to pick up for $550, came with Jarvis barrel. Just wanted one for variety and - admittedly - the cool factor. I do shoot it well and have carried it in the car on occasion, but I feel the Glock's simplicity would give me that much more confidence under stress. |
the Glock take down. Glock gets a BIG +1.  That's a real good point. With HK USP, when a round gets stuck (worst if the round is hot), I have to push back the slide an inch or so before being able to extract the round. How hard is that? Normally, if the brass gets stuck, I'd put a long rod through barrel and try to knock out the stuck casing. Unless...the round is live. Then, I am basically forced to ram the front of the slide against a corner to try to push back the slide. With a Glock, you just press down the two plastic protrusions and slide the slide to the front. It's really easy. |
Like I said before, to each his own. I don't care what works for you and I don't think my gun is better than yours. But that's a real convoluted way to rationalize liking one gun over the other. How often do you have rounds fail, anyway? You might wanna take your gun in to a smith. 
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Unfortunately, I have quite a few Russian made 9mm ammo (Brown Bear and Silver Bear) and these stuff are like dead stoppers for USPc for sure. Guaranteed to jam every 10 rounds or even less  Even jams up G17  One reason I reverted to Glock 19 is the fact that it digests crappy Brown Bear without any hiccups. 
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| From everything I read in the comic books, Glock is the best cap gun around. They also back their guns well too. I just wished they'd put a big note on the gun that warned me not to remove the copper colored muck they put in my G26. First thing I did when I got it is cleaned all that sticky crappy looking gunk out and lubed my gun with real lubricant. I will be nicer to my G17 & G19 coming in this week. |
This is moronic reasoning. It kinda makes me wish I had not looked into the Glock section tonight. IMO you make me and the rest of the Glock owners look bad. |
I'm glad to see even the Glock lovers realize how idiotic the original post is. It's worse than a Glock KB! thread. Well, I'll see you guys later; it's morning and I'm off to play airsoft and video games. One of these days I'll know something about real guns and buy a glock, since they're superior to HKs in every way for every person.
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I own both I like both. I carry my HK a little more because I have the compact version where as my Glock is a full size. Both are very good weapons. Fire good ammo and you shouldn't have a problem with either. Glock is more customer oriented than HK. That is an area I think HK needs to improve on. Plus I think Glock is the better value. |
KAABOOOM  Now all joking aside, I like Both the HK's and Glocks, And I would trust my life to both of them. The reason why I prefer the HK comes down to preference, and not which one I think is "better". I am just used to using a Manual safety, External hammer, Decocker and DA/SA and I like those features. I am not saying the Glock trigger safety is bad or doesn't work (Your finger is your true safety). So instead of having pissing contests, why not just buy both? Nathan |
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As far as I know, H&K recommends against reloads also. Simple fact, I shoot well with both types and neither ahs ever had a hiccup for me (I will wait fo this day and more than likely find it to be a wear related issue). They both serve a purpose, I believe from a training stand point and cost stand point the Glock just has it. Load magazine, rack slide and holster. Remove from holster, aim, pull trigger, Learn one constant trigger pull. |
| I made my choice between a Glock 23 and a USP 40 Compact without shooting either (it was my first gun). I fell for the HK hype and snob appeal. Two years later, I lost my love for the HK and switched to a Glock 19. I've never looked back. There isn't a single thing about the HK that I like better than a Glock. |
That's great. I never said Glocks don't. Now defend your position that I must be new to guns or must be a gamer / airsoft guy because the HK ergonomics work better for me. I like a gun with a smaller grip and one that doesn't point 3 feet high at 7 yards, so I must be an airsoft kid? Come on now; who's acting like a kid? I own a glock. They're fine guns. They're just not right for me ergonomically. A glock 23 feels big in my hand compared to my USPc, and it recoils a lot more than my USPc (even with its low bore axis.) They're great guns and there's a reason so many people love them, but the fact that I don't doesn't mean I never owned a gun until I was 20 or I learned about guns from video games. Slowerthanu: my HK only has one trigger pull that I use. It's much lighter and easier to learn than a stock Glock trigger. |
The LEM trigger is anice trigger, I think it will get popular. I love H&K's but I see why my department only allows Glocks. They are both awesome guns and as I said, neither has given me any issues. |