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4/9/2017 9:58:16 AM EDT
I recently purchased a Glock 43 based on my familiarity with the glock platform. Of all the different handguns I own from various manufacturers, I'm more accurate with my G17/19 than just about anything else (perhaps 1911 excluded).

Yesterday I finally got it out on the range and I was surprised how poorly I shot it. I'm usually able to knock down 8" steel plates relatively consistently at ~20 yards, however, I felt like I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with the 43.

Moving up to 7 yards, things were much better, but I noticed that I still didn't have anywhere near the accuracy that I normally had with my other glocks. Most of my shots were low and to the left. The good news is that I was getting all my shots in the torso of the target, even at high speed, but admittedly with a pretty large spread.

My own self diagnosis seems to indicate that i'm pushing the trgger with trigger finger, presumably because my fingers fill much more of the inside of the trigger guard. I'm not sure how to stop doing that without pulling the trigger using the crease of my finger.

So, for those of you guys with longer fingers, is that what you're doing? Using the digit/knuckle of your trigger finger to pull the trigger? Am I expecting too much out of a pocket gun? Should I be happy with my adequate  results at 7 yards?
4/9/2017 10:36:19 AM EDT
[#1]
I shoot all my gen 4 glocks low and left, not a trigger pull issue.  On my duty gun I put a higher front post and drifted my rear when I switched to HDs.  In my experience, it's a gen 4 "tolerance?" issue.  Not all gen 4's, but most I've shot.
4/9/2017 10:43:45 AM EDT
[#2]
I'm guessing it's a grip issue as much as anything.  Support hand and trigger finger.  I'd work of a bit of dry fire and see if you can tell.  Perhaps an aftermarket trigger with a flatter face to promote a sright back push.  It would give a bit more tactile feedback vs the stock trigger.  

An 8" plate at 20 yards with the g43 is pretty good shooting.
4/9/2017 12:57:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Low left is produced by flinching, not pulling the trigger directly to the rear, or tensing the entire grip rather than using the trigger finger as an independent part of the hand. Proper technique with the stock parts will get you there with time. The standard answer is "use more trigger finger" which is not the way I do it ( I am an old school bullseye shooter and use just the tip of my finger and do not have a low left issue- I can claim some skill with a stock glock as a gssf master shooter) make sure how ever you are activating the trigger it is going directly back. And that you are not tensing your grip when you pull the trigger. Most of my glocks actually have a hair of left windage to put shots center.
I can manage sub 3" 20 yard groups with the stock 42 so an 8 inch plate at 20 yards should be cake
4/9/2017 2:15:17 PM EDT
[#4]
it's the thinner grip and shorter trigger reach.  Use the 1st joint of the index finger to pull the trigger instead of the pad
4/9/2017 8:48:48 PM EDT
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it's the thinner grip and shorter trigger reach.  Use the 1st joint of the index finger to pull the trigger instead of the pad
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This. I've always been and trained to be a first finger pad trigger guy. Pulling with the first joint seems odd to me and I used to liken it to what a rookie would do, along with walking around with their finger poised that way.

I got over it and starting shooting using the first joint. A huge difference in accuracy and control. It takes a bit of practice, but I think unless you have little-bitty girly hands this is the best way. I'm thinking of getting an Overwatch  Falx Trigger which is specifically designed for extended trigger finger application.
4/9/2017 9:32:46 PM EDT
[#6]
Stick more finger on the trigger.  The 43 can be shot really well, it just takes more practice than a bigger gun.  

I was pretty sour on mine for awhile, but after about 3k rounds through 43s, I'm glad I stuck with it.   It's a lot of gun in a tiny package and is really nice to carry.
4/10/2017 7:37:08 AM EDT
[#7]
A tad more finger on the trigger is the key. I did change to the Ghost drop in connector and that gives it a better feel, kind of like from a Stanley to a  well worn in dewalt stapler.
4/10/2017 7:37:44 AM EDT
[#8]
My years with a PF-9 was a great benefit in shooting the 43, the pf-9 sucked to shoot and that experience showed my how easy it was to shoot a 43 which fits me a lot better.  Night and day difference bwtn the two for similar sized guns, certainly an eye opener.
4/10/2017 9:31:34 AM EDT
[#9]
I am reaching about 500 on my G43 and a few observations on mine.  With extended mags it is much easier for my gigantic hands to hold onto.  Lots of dry fire practice helped me improve with it.  Grip it tight most people do not grip the pistol tight enough apply good pressure to the front and back of the pistol with you primary trigger hand and apply side pressure with the secondary.  Hook the trigger more and more till you stop shooting left.  The more you shoot it the smoother and better the trigger will get.  Mine was an early model that came with the heavier connector and I had Glock send me the updated "-" connector which dramatically helped the weight of the trigger and mine is clocking right a 5-5.1# consistently.
4/10/2017 2:47:48 PM EDT
[#10]
I went shooting with my friend, once at the range I noticed he had a G43. He loaded 5 rounds of 115gr FMJ in it and handed it to. I had never even held a G43 before. Our range has lanes with 8" plate racks at 25 yards. With those five rounds I knocked over 3 out of 5 plates the first time shooting it. It only got better.

On the way home we stopped by the LGS and I bought one.

This is mine.


ETA: I hold it pretty much the same as my other 6 Glocks.
4/10/2017 6:59:34 PM EDT
[#11]
I always shoot a little to the left with my Glocks, but the G43 hits considerably more to the left.

I keep it as a jogging gun or back-up, but I'm just not good enough with it to feel confident with it as a primary carry.
4/11/2017 1:54:05 AM EDT
[#12]
Try more finger on the trigger and making sure you have as much contact with the left side of the gun as possible(palm, thumbs forward grip along frame). About half the time that will fix the issue. On the full size Gen 4 guns running them without a back strap and going deep on the trigger usually solves it.
4/11/2017 7:57:20 AM EDT
[#13]
I trained with a pro uspsa shooter last year. As far as trigger finger in the trigger he says to use as much finger as is natural when holding the gun and sticking your trigger finger on the trigger.  In other words just grab the gun and shoot it.  He also said week hand should be a crush grip. Squeeze hard as you can just about.   I asked if I should get an aftermarket trigger and he laughed and said absolutely not. You should spend the money on more ammo and way way more dry fire!
   So far seams to be working for me. My times have def. improved.
BUT on the other hand I just could not get very accurate with my 43 so I sold it....
4/11/2017 8:52:39 AM EDT
[#14]
Shooting a glock low left didn't dissapear until I started keeping the first joint of my trigger finger straight and only bending it at the second joint on a trigger pull.

The contact point of the trigger on the pad of my finger changes throughout the trigger pull. Keeps pressure going straight back instead of back and to the left.
4/11/2017 10:00:43 AM EDT
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I always shoot a little to the left with my Glocks, but the G43 hits considerably more to the left.

I keep it as a jogging gun or back-up, but I'm just not good enough with it to feel confident with it as a primary carry.
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Do you dry fire practice with the G43 and other Glocks?  When you do dry fire practice does your front sight move left when you press the trigger?  If so work on placement of your trigger finger and pressure applied to the pistol by your hands.  Grip it tight on the front and back with your hand pressing the trigger(I assume your right hand because you shoot left) and apply good pressure with your secondary hand to the side with your palm and your finger on your right hand.  It sounds like you are not stroking the trigger directly to the rear and your grip is to loose.  Hooking the trigger more and really gripping the trigger will reduce the left shooting.
4/11/2017 10:54:17 AM EDT
[#16]
I was having some accuracy issues with my 43, I determined the trigger break was too far back for my hand size.

This was remedied with the install of the APEX trigg shoe. HUGE improvement,I can now chew out the 10 ring at 7 yds.

4/11/2017 11:30:55 AM EDT
[#17]
I for one couldn't seem to get over the serrated trigger shoe which felt triangular to me, went with a Kineti-tech flat shoe and stock oem bar.  Wish I would have done it sooner as it is so much nicer all around.
4/11/2017 7:40:49 PM EDT
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Stick more finger on the trigger.  The 43 can be shot really well, it just takes more practice than a bigger gun.  

I was pretty sour on mine for awhile, but after about 3k rounds through 43s, I'm glad I stuck with it.   It's a lot of gun in a tiny package and is really nice to carry.
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Couldn't agree more, i considered selling mine at song 500 rds.

2000 rds later and i am as good with it as my g34. I love the 43.
4/12/2017 4:15:47 PM EDT
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I shoot all my gen 4 glocks low and left, not a trigger pull issue.  On my duty gun I put a higher front post and drifted my rear when I switched to HDs.  In my experience, it's a gen 4 "tolerance?" issue.  Not all gen 4's, but most I've shot.
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Complete nonsense, it's more than likely a grip issue..... as many have a hard time adjusting to the thinner grip.  What makes you think it's a "tolerance" issue?  Anything to substantiate that statement?

As someone who owns almost two dozen gen4's I can't say I notice any difference, nor do I have a different expectation from different generation Glocks.
4/13/2017 9:22:13 PM EDT
[#20]
My 43, mainly because of the size of the grip, I think, requires a firmer hold on the grip.  And between the length of the grip and the trigger itself, I have to be very aware of finger placement on the trigger.  The G42 and G43 are not only smaller, the trigger seems to be easier to push (or pull) to the side than in a full sized Glock.

My first range session with my G43 started out at 10 yards, and while I was able to keep it at "minute of man" accuracy, I could actually feel the grip move in my hand.  Once I tightened up my hold I could feel that my trigger finger was pushing the trigger to the left.  My natural finger placement is a little closer to the joint than square on the finger pad, but with the 43 the trigger needs to be closer to the finger tip than square on the pad.

After those two corrections, I went from "OK for the range" to feeling confident I could use the gun decisively in a real situation.
4/24/2017 12:58:45 PM EDT
[#21]
This Sunday I spent an hour at an indoor range and a couple hours at the outdoor range shooting the 43 since the Novak's were installed and to verify the Taran +1 mag extensions.

At the outdoor range.


At the indoor range shooting at 7 yards quickly with the 43.
4/24/2017 3:56:27 PM EDT
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I shoot all my gen 4 glocks low and left, not a trigger pull issue.  On my duty gun I put a higher front post and drifted my rear when I switched to HDs.  In my experience, it's a gen 4 "tolerance?" issue.  Not all gen 4's, but most I've shot.
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A higher front sight will lower the point of impact.
4/24/2017 6:14:52 PM EDT
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I shoot all my gen 4 glocks low and left, not a trigger pull issue.
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It probably is.

Grip harder with your left hand and more finger on the trigger. The reason for the more finger on the trigger is so you pull straight back instead of pushing the gun to the left.
4/24/2017 6:39:22 PM EDT
[#24]
Just shot my co workers 43. I sold mine because I couldn't shoot it very accurately.
  He has a flat trigger in it.
It shot like a laser at 10yds!!! I said what did I do to it? He said all he did was put in a flat trigger and polish the internals!
  Huge difference.
4/24/2017 8:53:51 PM EDT
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Just shot my co workers 43. I sold mine because I couldn't shoot it very accurately.
  He has a flat trigger in it.
It shot like a laser at 10yds!!! I said what did I do to it? He said all he did was put in a flat trigger and polish the internals!
  Huge difference.
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The flat trigger kept you from pushing or pulling the gun to one side, which the stock, ribbed trigger forces some people to do.  Was your coworker's trigger "really flat" like an Apex trigger, or curved like a Lone Wolf trigger?

I don't like the look of the really flat triggers - and I'm afraid they won't give me the location feedback a curved trigger does - but if there's a real reason they are better, I might just have to try one.
4/24/2017 9:27:15 PM EDT
[#26]
8" plate at 20 yards is super star shooting.  If I can get all my rounds in a paper plate at 7 yards I'm happy.
4/24/2017 10:09:55 PM EDT
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8" plate at 20 yards is super star shooting.  If I can get all my rounds in a paper plate at 7 yards I'm happy.
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I agree and since I just got mine Friday have only 50 rounds thru it while fishing the other eve.  What I'm super impressed with is the trigger pull vs my G19, it's friggin excellent!  Love this lil gun and while I hate baby guns I'm now wanting the 42 just for the fuck of it.........Oh and thus far I'm pretty decent with shooting it but haven't actually setup paper for the spot on shots yet.....
4/25/2017 9:56:09 AM EDT
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it's the thinner grip and shorter trigger reach.  Use the 1st joint of the index finger to pull the trigger instead of the pad
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This. And have to make sure the support hand is gripping hard. I don't know why but I've noticed that Glocks exasperate shooting left with a weak support hand more than other guns.

Taran Butler says most people shoot Glocks left so they ship all their guns with the sight drifted. But it's not the gun.