Posted: 2/26/2017 10:23:00 AM EDT
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I have a history with a lot of different kinds of triggers, single action, double action, revolver, XD, CZ, etc etc, but never before a glock. And one of the main reasons I have stayed away from the glocks until the gen4 is because they are too blocky for my short fingers. Last night I was working on some dry firing and although I didn't like the distinctive click of he small blade in the middle of the trigger, I didn't pay it much attention. Not until I started to speed up the draw stroke a little and when I tried to press the trigger it locked up on me. For a second I started trying to figure out if I had failed to hit the thumb safety(there is no thumb safety). What happened was I was not pressing straight back on the middle of the trigger. So, I had to consciously stretch my trigger finger forward, then press back on the middle.
It's just right at the very start of the trigger movement that is causing the issue. If it was 1 mm shorter it probably wouldn't have happened. Or if my hands were skinnier my short fingers would get on the trigger just a little farther. It seems like the kind of thing that could be a problem if the gun does not fire in stressful situations. Thoughts? Training or gear? Thanks. |
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I am cursed with the stubby Irish fingers and although I do own many and enjoy shooting them, Glocks are not ideal for me.
I end up installing minus connectors to lighten up the pull so I don't have to get so much finger on the trigger. This works ok for me. The Glock trigger is something to master and accounts for so many "shooting left" complaints imo. |
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Despite what our industry friends would have you believe, gear isn't the solution to every problem.
If you want to keep your Glock, commit to firing 1000 rounds of live ammunition out of it in the next two months. If that doesn't work, and frankly I would be shocked if it didn't, then forget glock and get a different pistol. Too many folks on here think every problem can be solved by gear or some other shortcut. Get enough rounds under your belt and you should be able to shoot anything that chambers a metallic cartridge proficiently. |
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Despite what our industry friends would have you believe, gear isn't the solution to every problem. If you want to keep your Glock, commit to firing 1000 rounds of live ammunition out of it in the next two months. If that doesn't work, and frankly I would be shocked if it didn't, then forget glock and get a different pistol. I probably first need just a little training on how to properly practice those 1,000 rounds. I don't want to teach myself bad habits. I would guess that learning to operate a glock trigger would still work just fine with everything else I shoot. |
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People go out of their way to describe issues they might have with the Glock platform as a training issue only, when honestly it just MIGHT be a problem with the platform with regard to the person shooting. Glocks are super reliable,ubiquitous and therefore understandably defended.
However, every gun does not fit every person. I finally realized this and went to something different that fit me better, and the 'training issue' was gone. The days of Glock being the only game in town for a reliable, poly framed, striker fired pistol are over. Try expanding your horizons.That's what I finally had to do. |
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I have a hard time understanding how you can try to pull the trigger on a glock and not depress the trigger safety. Is your finger so short you can barely reach the trigger? Or is this a mechanical issue with the gun? It's a short finger issue. Particularly today as I have been running a chainsaw my hands are just a little puffy, pushing my hand back farther. If I get a good solid firing grip where my trigger finger is forced forward it works ok. But if I get a little sloppy my trigger finger catches the side of the trigger as much as it presses the trigger safety. |
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It's a short finger issue. Particularly today as I have been running a chainsaw my hands are just a little puffy, pushing my hand back farther. If I get a good solid firing grip where my trigger finger is forced forward it works ok. But if I get a little sloppy my trigger finger catches the side of the trigger as much as it presses the trigger safety. Can we get a picture? Not calling you a liar I just don't see how your hands could be so small. That or I'm missing something. |
| You could reduce and stipple the frame. I had an issue where Glocks felt to big/blocky for my hands. Issue was resolved by removing the finger groove and texturing on the front/rear straps, undercutting the trigger guard and has since become one of my favorite platforms. A flat trigger will also bring the lower face of the trigger further back. |
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Can we get a picture? Not calling you a liar I just don't see how your hands could be so small. That or I'm missing something. I'll try. It's been a long time since I did this. I'm sure there is an easy way, I just don't know what it is.  2017-02-26_11-37-29 by frankrgraham, on Flickr
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/21458465@N02/32973787092/in/dateposted-public/" title="2017-02-26_11-37-29"><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3790/32973787092_8bbba2bce2_k.jpg" width="1152" height="2048" alt="2017-02-26_11-37-29"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Huh, it worked. |
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I probably first need just a little training on how to properly practice those 1,000 rounds. I don't want to teach myself bad habits. I would guess that learning to operate a glock trigger would still work just fine with everything else I shoot. No, you dicking around in your bathroom is teaching you bad habits. If you can't shoot your way through the problem, then there is no hope. |
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Can we see pictures of the other side?
It looks like you need to sink your finger deeper into the trigger. Your fiber would need to be about an inch and a half long to do what you're doing; unless yout really do have freakishly short fingers (like birth defect short). Ignore all those online charts that say what is the correct finger placement. |
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Like you, I have small hands and have always had problems with double stack semi autos (not just Glocks). My solutions was to rotate my grip with my firing hand enough so that I could get enough finger on the trigger.
It was suggested to me years ago by a well known instructor. It took years to get comfortable with, though, so get committed to spending a lot of time dry firing and doing drawstroke work. |
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Can we see pictures of the other side? It looks like you need to sink your finger deeper into the trigger. Your fiber would need to be about an inch and a half long to do what you're doing; unless yout really do have freakishly short fingers (like birth defect short). Ignore all those online charts that say what is the correct finger placement.  2017-02-26_12-08-28 by frankrgraham, on Flickr
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| I have short fingers too, but don't have any problems with my Glocks. You need more of your finger on the trigger. It isn't a problem with the pistol, it's a problem with your grip. If it isn't comfortable for you, you should probably find a different pistol that fits you better. |
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It's a short finger issue. Particularly today as I have been running a chainsaw my hands are just a little puffy, pushing my hand back farther. If I get a good solid firing grip where my trigger finger is forced forward it works ok. But if I get a little sloppy my trigger finger catches the side of the trigger as much as it presses the trigger safety. I guarantee your trigger finger is not as short as mine. I am missing the entire tip down to the first knuckle so every handgun is a learning experience for me. I have no issues with my glocks.  |
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A few things to consider from a fellow short-finger
1. The gen 4 is shorter 2mm from backstrap to face of the trigger. 2. Overwatch precison flat triggers gain you another 2mm from the face of the trigger to the back strap. Yes, you could rotate the gun in your hand to get more finger on the trigger. But that will (for me atleast) threw off the natural grip on the gun. I have OP triggers in all of my Glocks and they are all gen 4. |
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Few things I did for my neighbor when he got his first Glock and he has Trump hands like you. He had this idea that his slide had to be perfectly in line with the ulna and radius bones and to only use the first pad on his trigger finger to make his trigger presses. Throw all that out the door and lets start.
First we undercut his trigger guard some to give it an index point he could hit every time with his knuckle and allow a higher grip increasing his reach a bit. Here is a pic of mine. I grind out the hard edges Glock leaves on the trigger guard and contour it to my knuckle. Attached File Next I took him to the range and kept rotating the pistol in his hand till he could press the trigger without the front sight moving while I observed his trigger presses (do this unloaded). What this did was take his mentality that the slide had to be lined up with the bones of his forearm threw that out the window and readjusted his grip and draw. After about 200 rounds of repeated draw, fire once, reload, and fire again he started breaking his bad habits and developing good consistent habits. |
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How long is your trigger finger? Can we get some more pics? Try rotating the gun in your hand more and see if that works. I'm starting to think you guys are having fun making me post pics of my hands. I do have trump hands, my trigger finger in particular kind of stubby. If I get a good grip, it works. If I rotate my grip, it works. What I need is a gun that will work if I am on the ground getting the shit kicked out of me by thugs, I'm in pain, I'm freaked out, I'm trying to stay conscious, I'm being bounced around, I'm trying to not die. I need the gun to work 100% under those conditions. |
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Rather than all the invective about trigger finger position, training, and buy new parts, OPEN your Mk.1 Mod.0 eyeballs.
On each left and right side of the trigger safety at the tip is a small oval guide bump. If in addressing the trigger, you push the trigger safety the slightest bit sideways before pushing it to the rear, a lot of trigger safety guide bumps will hang up on the face of the trigger. Thus not going into the slot in the trigger. That is the "stop" you feel. Easy fix at no cost or damage. Use an ExActo knife and slice off the two little guide bumps at the tip of the trigger safety. They will never hang up again. No alteration to function intended by factory parts. Damn little quirk like a lot of the plastic rear sights black layer obstructing the bottom of the front sight white dot unless you needle file away some black in the bottom of the black rear notch. |
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Rather than all the invective about trigger finger position, training, and buy new parts, OPEN your Mk.1 Mod.0 eyeballs. On each left and right side of the trigger safety at the tip is a small oval guide bump. If in addressing the trigger, you push the trigger safety the slightest bit sideways before pushing it to the rear, a lot of trigger safety guide bumps will hang up on the face of the trigger. Thus not going into the slot in the trigger. That is the "stop" you feel. Easy fix at no cost or damage. Use an ExActo knife and slice off the two little guide bumps at the tip of the trigger safety. They will never hang up again. No alteration to function intended by factory parts. Damn little quirk like a lot of the plastic rear sights black layer obstructing the bottom of the front sight white dot unless you needle file away some black in the bottom of the black rear notch. That sounds really promising, it sounds exactly like what I'm experiencing. I'll look into it. Thanks. |
I'm staring to get to the problem. For one thing I do have a very short trigger finger. I tried my friends glock yesterday with a really nice after market flat trigger and the gun started to glitch when I was trying to make precision shots. As it actually was a shorter reach to the trigger I think it would have worked perfectly except that the trigger safety protruded so little that it again caused the same problem. When I showed him the distance from the web of my thumb to the tip of my finger he said, "Holy shit, how do you masturbate with that thing?" 
So #1 is a short trigger finger. #2 is a history of competition with single action pistols at long distances(and hunting) where I learned to get the sights on target and touch/move the tuned match trigger only enough to break the shot. ***If I retrain myself to sink the grip deep and reach forward to the trigger EVERY SHOT, it might fix the problem.*** But as I start to concentrate more I go back to my precision habits, I relax my grip and ease my trigger finger back a little so as to disturb the trigger as little as possible. A shorter trigger with a trigger safety blade that still protrudes will help a lot. And what I believe would also help would be a grip reduction where the frame is opened up behind the trigger kind of making a trench for the trigger finger to set in. I believe the mod is usually done to accommodate a gloved trigger finger. This would almost definitely allow my trigger finger to set farther forward all of the time. I'll need to become well educated about glock trigger parts and options then put together something with a shorter trigger pull, probably a flat trigger, and a trigger safety that is hard for me to miss. That's what I've come up with at this point. |