Posted: 6/4/2016 9:20:51 PM EDT
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Gen 3 Glock 19 (S*) is throwing brass directly at my forehead. It gets really fucking annoying after the thirtieth of fortieth piece hits you on the same spot. This has not happened to me with other gen 3 G19s.
Q1: Is it true that this problem is more prevalent among S* serial numbered G19s? Another thing I noticed is that the 336 ejector in this pistol is different from other 336 ejectors I have. It is angled more and bears a straight machine mark where the part was struck (my assumption) to produce the angle. Other 336 ejectors do not bear this mark and are angled less. No apparent difference in length. Q2: Is it common for 336 ejectors to differ? I don't want to get a 30274 ejector just yet. More curious to know exactly what makes this pistol different. I have read Randy Lee's dissertation by the way. |
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No one knows exactly what causes it, there's no rhyme or reason for it, I had a brand new Gen 4 bonk me in the head repeatedly while another brand new Gen 4 worked perfectly. The new ejector fixes many of them, a new OEM extractor fixed mine. Apex FREs seem to be the definitive fix if nothing else works. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Also some report the grip some shooters take can have this effect. That doesn't explain why the same pistol will do it repeatedly when a different, yet seemingly identical, pistol won't do it once. OP states he has experience with other Gen 3 19s with no issue. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Stiffen your wrist up some, maybe?
I mean, it's possible for the ejector to be misaligned center and low, but the position of the extractor guarantees some form of right and out ejection unless you're torquing the gun in recoil somehow. Some people object to the the characterization "limp-wristing", though. None of my Glocks has ever bopped me on the noggin'. |
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It is not the shooter, it is the gun. The first Gen4 17 I got was a P serial #. The first shot out of the gun and the brass hit me square in the forehead. I lived with it until the gun started jamming and stove piping at 1500 rounds. I sent it back to Glock, Glock said they fixed it and sent it back to me. 200 rounds later the stove piping/brass to head issue starts again. I sent it back to Glock again. I got a phone call from Glock that they were replacing my gun and they sent me a brand new one. The second time around they could not duplicate my issue until they fired a number of test rounds and the stove piping started for them. (Excellent Customer Service).
I would contact Glock and let them fix it. It will not fix itself and that serial # falls in the range of early Gen4's that had the problem. |
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My STB 3rd gen 19 would constantly peg me. After 2 trips back to glock it was finally "better". Not great but a noticeable improvement. Then half the people on here were telling me it was my grip, I'm doing something wrong, bla bla bla. Ok well my other 19 didn't do it and neither did my two 17s. It's a real issue, not just made up like some seem to claim.
But, it is definitely more pronounced if using weak ammo. Even my brand new 3rd gen G26 will dribble shells out the side when firing weak blazer brass. Run good NATO spec fmj and it ejects normal. ETA - Come to think of it, I had several FTEs with that STB G19 in the beginning too. Its 100% reliable now though and I did carry it for a couple years. But lately I carry the new g26. |
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Stiffen your wrist up some, maybe? I mean, it's possible for the ejector to be misaligned center and low, but the position of the extractor guarantees some form of right and out ejection unless you're torquing the gun in recoil somehow. Some people object to the the characterization "limp-wristing", though. None of my Glocks has ever bopped me on the noggin'. I had about 7 years and 50K rounds through a few 9mm Glocks and I used to scoff at BTF guys. Until I experienced a true BTF Gen4 19 in 2012. Some of these things are just fucky. I went Gen4 17 awhile back and after cases landing on my arms, hitting me in the face, going down my mutha-fukkin shirt, I went back to the Sig P226 and P239 for my big and little pistols. Not one malfuncton, every case lands in the same spot, and I can shoot 'em better. |
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Overblown issue in my opinion, the guns are still rock solid reliable.
My early Gen 4 - 19 would do it every 300-400, now with an Apex it's very rare. My friend's new production Gen 4 - 19 does it on a regular basis, he doesn't notice or care. My Gen 4 - 34 will occasionally put on in the crease of my elbow, oh well, I'd still take it over a Sig. Just sold a very nice Sig P220 Equinox Carry - the barrel looked like it'd been through a war zone with less than 500 rounds through it. Every gun has it's quirks. |
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Overblown issue in my opinion, the guns are still rock solid reliable. My early Gen 4 - 19 would do it every 300-400, now with an Apex it's very rare. My friend's new production Gen 4 - 19 does it on a regular basis, he doesn't notice or care. My Gen 4 - 34 will occasionally put on in the crease of my elbow, oh well, I'd still take it over a Sig. Just sold a very nice Sig P220 Equinox Carry - the barrel looked like it'd been through a war zone with less than 500 rounds through it. Every gun has it's quirks. Just because it happens mildly for you, doesn't mean it hasn't been a bigger problem for others. It is a well documented real issue that is a hardware issue. Not user. Those who refuse to admit are either fanboys, or haven't looked into it enough and are being uneducated about it. It is real. Having said that, I carry a G26 every day. It gives me BTF last round of the mag. About half the time. Plus I think it's more with this old style mag I have. Moreso than the newer ones. But every mag seems to eject weaker on the last round. I think the slide bonking the brass while going forward helps it not happen. I've been debating if I want to do ANYTHING about it. I may get a new extractor spring. I got mine used and not sure how many rounds. But the amount it does it for me isn't an issue. But if it did it every round, I wouldn't like it at all. It can be distracting. |
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Overblown issue in my opinion, the guns are still rock solid reliable. My early Gen 4 - 19 would do it every 300-400, now with an Apex it's very rare. My friend's new production Gen 4 - 19 does it on a regular basis, he doesn't notice or care. My Gen 4 - 34 will occasionally put on in the crease of my elbow, oh well, I'd still take it over a Sig. Just sold a very nice Sig P220 Equinox Carry - the barrel looked like it'd been through a war zone with less than 500 rounds through it. Every gun has it's quirks. You'd rather take BTF than have finish wear on the barrel?? 
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You'd rather take BTF than have finish wear on the barrel??
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Overblown issue in my opinion, the guns are still rock solid reliable. My early Gen 4 - 19 would do it every 300-400, now with an Apex it's very rare. My friend's new production Gen 4 - 19 does it on a regular basis, he doesn't notice or care. My Gen 4 - 34 will occasionally put on in the crease of my elbow, oh well, I'd still take it over a Sig. Just sold a very nice Sig P220 Equinox Carry - the barrel looked like it'd been through a war zone with less than 500 rounds through it. Every gun has it's quirks. You'd rather take BTF than have finish wear on the barrel??
Just stating that all guns have issues, if they don't cause function issues, I could care less. 4 out of 5 people who don't browse gun forums for "brass to the face" won't notice or care what their Glock does as long as it runs. |
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This is a bit of a cross post from another thread I responded in where a shooter was asking about parts to reduce BTF issues.
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For what it's worth...I took a shooter to the range a few weeks ago and they were getting a ton of brass tossed back at them when we started. I made some minor adjustments in the grip and gave some advice on improving wrist and forearm tension. Every round shot with my advice factored in, the brass ejected about 5 feet to the right of the shooter. Consistency of hits on the target also improved. When the old habits came back, the brass went back at the shooter and the group size opened up. It's worth noting that shooter didn't experience the brass coming back on them when shooting a well worn Glock but the new and not broken in/still full factory recoil spring tension gun that they were shooting on the above day did throw brass back as noted above. If it were me, before I declared the gun a problem, get a very experienced Glock shooter behind your gun before you declare that the gun is the problem. |
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Thank you for the replies, gents.
It looks like I should have added more details. For the past 10+ years, approximately 95% of my pistol shooting has been with gen 3 G19s. I've also shot an array of other Glocks in different calibers. I don't recall a BTF problem in the past. This happened to me the other day with a G19 I had never shot before. Two other shooters had the same problem. Tried the other shooters' G19s immediately thereafter, and not a single BTF occurrence for any of us. Three different shooters, three G19s, and all three shooters had the same problem with the same pistol. Seems like a gun problem to me. It shouldn't take a GSSF champion to shoot a pistol reliably. <---Glock fanboi, by the way. I'm not giving up on the platform. I just want this pistol to shoot like a G19 should. I want my family members to be able to shoot it reliably and enjoy it as well. I appreciate all feedback, but I am especially curious about the original questions. Quoted:
Q1: Is it true that this problem is more prevalent among S* serial numbered G19s? Q2: Is it common for 336 ejectors to differ? |
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Thank you for the replies, gents. It looks like I should have added more details. For the past 10+ years, approximately 95% of my pistol shooting has been with gen 3 G19s. I've also shot an array of other Glocks in different calibers. I don't recall a BTF problem in the past. This happened to me the other day with a G19 I had never shot before. Two other shooters had the same problem. Tried the other shooters' G19s immediately thereafter, and not a single BTF occurrence for any of us. Three different shooters, three G19s, and all three shooters had the same problem with the same pistol. Seems like a gun problem to me. It shouldn't take a GSSF champion to shoot a pistol reliably. <---Glock fanboi, by the way. I'm not giving up on the platform. I just want this pistol to shoot like a G19 should. I want my family members to be able to shoot it reliably and enjoy it as well. I appreciate all feedback, but I am especially curious about the original questions. Quoted:
Thank you for the replies, gents. It looks like I should have added more details. For the past 10+ years, approximately 95% of my pistol shooting has been with gen 3 G19s. I've also shot an array of other Glocks in different calibers. I don't recall a BTF problem in the past. This happened to me the other day with a G19 I had never shot before. Two other shooters had the same problem. Tried the other shooters' G19s immediately thereafter, and not a single BTF occurrence for any of us. Three different shooters, three G19s, and all three shooters had the same problem with the same pistol. Seems like a gun problem to me. It shouldn't take a GSSF champion to shoot a pistol reliably. <---Glock fanboi, by the way. I'm not giving up on the platform. I just want this pistol to shoot like a G19 should. I want my family members to be able to shoot it reliably and enjoy it as well. I appreciate all feedback, but I am especially curious about the original questions. Quoted:
Q1: Is it true that this problem is more prevalent among S* serial numbered G19s? Q2: Is it common for 336 ejectors to differ? 336 is the old ejector, I think all of the Gen 4 guns are using 30274. Don't over think it, get one of these depending on the generation: Gen 3 OR Gen 4 And these - Spring loaded bearing and 30274 Ejector Ejector comparison here - http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/125945_336_vs__30274_ejector__Pics__Fixed__pics_up_.html |
| Both of my Gen3 19s did this fairly early on and got worse over time. About a month ago, I got pissed off and bought some Apex extractors and newer ejectors. Now they run perfectly. It's just stupid that I have to buy aftermarket parts to get my guns to run the way they should from the factory. |
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I had a late gen 3 model 19 that threw brass at me, gen 4 ejector and Apex extractor fixed it.
I have Glocks in 9mm, 357 Sig, 40, 10mm, 45 acp. 45 GAP and none throw brass at my head, I won't tolerate it. All made after 2008 also have Lone Wolf steel extractor (except Apex 19) and striker because I'm intolerant of MIM if steel is available. |
| I didn't mind the occasional brass to hat or forearm. But when it became more consistent, I noticed. The final straw was getting burned by a hot case near my right eye. Thankfully, I was wearing eye protection. Apex extractor and 30274 ejector has completely cured my gen 3 19. Consistent 4-5 o'clock ejection now. |
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I didn't mind the occasional brass to hat or forearm. But when it became more consistent, I noticed. The final straw was getting burned by a hot case near my right eye. Thankfully, I was wearing eye protection. Apex extractor and 30274 ejector has completely cured my gen 3 19. Consistent 4-5 o'clock ejection now. Same story, except for me, the final straw was a stovepipe that I attributed to the erratic ejection. Now it ejects perfectly, even when full of unburned powder and sand after 2,000 rounds with no maintenance. |
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My early gen 3 G34 didn't throw brass to face, ever.
My gen 4 G19 bought two years ago did it at least once every mag. Bad enough I'd have to wear a cap. Just bought a gen4 G21 and so far out of 250 rounds it's done it once, and was at an indoor range stall so may have been a ricochet. I've got over a dozen auto loading pistols in 9mm & .45acp, none of them do this, only the Glocks. |
| Went shooting today with my G19. It had constant BTF issues so I sent it to Glock and they put in a few parts which did nothing. I installed an Apex extractor and now the BTF has gone away with Geco ammo but still present shooting Freedom Munitions ammo. I had tried Geco with the Glock extractor and had BTF issues prior, so this is an improvement. Sad that the factory sent this back to me without fixing the problem. Geco is now my Glock ammo. |
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My gen 4 G19 bought two years ago did it at least once every mag. Bad enough I'd have to wear a cap. Pretty much what I experience today at the range. One was a direct hit on one of my glasses lenses. Yikes. GD it, Glock. Figure it out and mail every owner a new extractor. |
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I pretty much rage quit Glock at a small class earlier this year after I had two HOT cases go down the back of my shirt collar. My G19 spits brass, too. Yesterday, a hot one went down the front of my shirt and I have a burn mark right where I shouldn't have one. Boy, did that hurt! |
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My Gen4 41 had BTF issues that I could not cure with any manner of ejectors, extractors, or recoil spring assys. It was used when I got it and was like brand new. I suspect the PO had similar issues before they said eff it and ditched it.
Both my Gen 4 G20 and G40 have never had BTF issues. A few feed issues and stovepipes when playing with recoil springs to get consistent velocity with my hand loads but never a BTF issue. I actually think I had had only one or two issues tops between both guns with factory RSAs and ejectors/extractors installed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
