[ARCHIVED THREAD] - marine glocks (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/29/2015 10:24:51 AM EDT
So as most know, the marines "approved" the G19 for all the high speed marines. Are there any pictures surfacing yet of them in use? The only one I have seen so far was this one, posted in the M45a1 thread. It appears to be a group shot of some of their pistols. Im just curious as to how they are using them, if they even are, and which holsters, sights, etc they are using.
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They're unit procured weapons..........kinda like the H&K USP 45's that my former unit had a few of..........
AFAIK, the G19s I saw overseas in the holsters of various branches of service, they were using the factory night sights on them, and SERPA or Safariland holsters. |
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In all honesty most military pistols rarely if ever get used. If you are using your pistol something really bad has happened that you are either separated from your rifle or it is broken. Right…but they are still carried in holsters, which means they're being used. Its common knowledge that the marine corps "approved" it for marsoc. Whether that means they are issued or not, i have no idea. Obviously if they felt the need to approve it, there were units asking for permission. There are hundreds of pictures of those same units training with, and carrying overseas, their 1911 pistols and berettas. Now that they decided to officially approve the glock, just wondering if there are similar pictures coming out yet. |
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They're unit procured weapons..........kinda like the H&K USP 45's that my former unit had a few of.......... AFAIK, the G19s I saw overseas in the holsters of various branches of service, they were using the factory night sights on them, and SERPA or Safariland holsters. I figured as such, in that picture those look like factory night sights. |
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The Glocks in use in the Marines were purchase with both SOCOM money and Marine money (to equip a specific MOS)
Ironically Glocks were what was wanted when the M45 was going to be replaced but because of the strong recon influence, possession of 50k 47D magazine and a going in by the program manager of we will succeed where we failed in the past and heavy emphasis about not having a contract vehicle to purchase Glocks we used Marine Corps PMC to buy another 1911 |
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My understanding is as the m45 and beretta are pretty big ( I carried the beretta on a couple deployments and have no issue with it) the glock 19 was approved for special operations use in situations requiring a concealable pistol. I own an m45 and would not want to carry it into combat not because it is anything but an excellent pistol, but due to weight- it is a brick and by the time you put on body armor with sapi plates water rifle and ammo commo gear first aid stuff etc any weight savings is a plus. Despite its size the beretta handles pretty well if you know what you are doing and due to the alloy frame would be preferable to a 1911 on that basis alone.
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This picture was posted on SSD from a display of MARSOC weapons at the MARSOC booth at Modern Day Marine
http://soldiersystems.net/2015/09/24/mdm-amazing-what-shows-up-in-the-marsoc-booth/ Noticeably absent from this impressive display of weapons? The M45A1 CQBP. 
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As a 1911 guy, I would carry the G19 in almost every situation. Quoted:
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I'm a 1911 guy, I have a few. I recently have bought a couple Glocks, and I look at that picture and just think that if I was going to war I would want the 1911. As a 1911 guy, I would carry the G19 in almost every situation. I'm a 1911 guy too, and would carry the Glock. Lighter, more ammo, etc |
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I'm a 1911 guy, I have a few. I recently have bought a couple Glocks, and I look at that picture and just think that if I was going to war I would want the 1911. As a 1911 guy, I would carry the G19 in almost every situation. I'm a 1911 guy too, and would carry the Glock. Lighter, more ammo, etc I've been a 1911 guy and would carry a Glock 19 over a 1911 for everything except maybe a Bullseye match. |
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My understanding is as the m45 and beretta are pretty big ( I carried the beretta on a couple deployments and have no issue with it) the glock 19 was approved for special operations use in situations requiring a concealable pistol. I own an m45 and would not want to carry it into combat not because it is anything but an excellent pistol, but due to weight- it is a brick and by the time you put on body armor with sapi plates water rifle and ammo commo gear first aid stuff etc any weight savings is a plus. Despite its size the beretta handles pretty well if you know what you are doing and due to the alloy frame would be preferable to a 1911 on that basis alone. The CSO mostly wanted Glocks; but the guys who did procurement obsessed to finally successfully fielding a 1911 replacement for the M45 after 3 previous attempts failed. |
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I'm a 1911 guy, I have a few. I recently have bought a couple Glocks, and I look at that picture and just think that if I was going to war I would want the 1911. As a 1911 guy, I would carry the G19 in almost every situation. I'm a 1911 guy too, and would carry the Glock. Lighter, more ammo, etc I've been a 1911 guy and would carry a Glock 19 over a 1911 for everything except maybe a Bullseye match. Not to sound like a broken record but I'm another 1911 guy who also carries a G19. |
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I'm a 1911 guy, I have a few. I recently have bought a couple Glocks, and I look at that picture and just think that if I was going to war I would want the 1911. As a 1911 guy, I would carry the G19 in almost every situation. I am going to take whatever I can get my hands on. Both will work both will spit lead and both ammo is available to shoot very readily. If I had a choice yeah I would take a G19 first but if faced with a situation I take what I can get either is fine. |
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I am going to take whatever I can get my hands on. Both will work both will spit lead and both ammo is available to shoot very readily. If I had a choice yeah I would take a G19 first but if faced with a situation I take what I can get either is fine. Quoted:
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I'm a 1911 guy, I have a few. I recently have bought a couple Glocks, and I look at that picture and just think that if I was going to war I would want the 1911. As a 1911 guy, I would carry the G19 in almost every situation. I am going to take whatever I can get my hands on. Both will work both will spit lead and both ammo is available to shoot very readily. If I had a choice yeah I would take a G19 first but if faced with a situation I take what I can get either is fine. The availability of ammo has been a huge problem for 45 in military operations. I had a Force officer on my MITT in 05-06. He was able to get 1 can of ammo from the ASP and they told him not to use it because it took a lot to get and they did not know if they could get more. On the other hand the rest of us would shoot a couple of hundred rounds each week as pet of out reset training because 9mm could be gotten easily |
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Link to the m45a1 thread? Link Assuming this is the one they are talking about. I've been subscribed to this thread for a few years now |
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MARSOC guys were carrying Glock 19s in Iraq several years before it was "official." Not sure if that is accurate, when MARSOC stood up they exclusively deployed for TSC and Afghanistan. Many people confuse Det 1, which was a pilot program and not MARSOC who did go to Iraq as part of a NSW task group. . |
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MARSOC guys were carrying Glock 19s in Iraq several years before it was "official." Not sure if that is accurate, when MARSOC stood up they exclusively deployed for TSC and Afghanistan. Many people confuse Det 1, which was a pilot program and not MARSOC who did go to Iraq as part of a NSW task group. . Maybe it was Afghanistan but I recall seeing pics of the G19s in chest holsters on MARSOC guys in combat several years ago. |
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The availability of ammo has been a huge problem for 45 in military operations. I had a Force officer on my MITT in 05-06. He was able to get 1 can of ammo from the ASP and they told him not to use it because it took a lot to get and they did not know if they could get more. On the other hand the rest of us would shoot a couple of hundred rounds each week as pet of out reset training because 9mm could be gotten easily Quoted:
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I'm a 1911 guy, I have a few. I recently have bought a couple Glocks, and I look at that picture and just think that if I was going to war I would want the 1911. As a 1911 guy, I would carry the G19 in almost every situation. I am going to take whatever I can get my hands on. Both will work both will spit lead and both ammo is available to shoot very readily. If I had a choice yeah I would take a G19 first but if faced with a situation I take what I can get either is fine. The availability of ammo has been a huge problem for 45 in military operations. I had a Force officer on my MITT in 05-06. He was able to get 1 can of ammo from the ASP and they told him not to use it because it took a lot to get and they did not know if they could get more. On the other hand the rest of us would shoot a couple of hundred rounds each week as pet of out reset training because 9mm could be gotten easily I know you are speaking the truth, R0N....when I was working in Kandahar back in 2011, my new boss/CEO opened the purse strings a bit and bought us all M4s and the handgun of our choice. I chose the G19 as the replacement for the crappy Taurus 24/7 I had been given by the old boss/owner when I first arrived. Since everyone else was snatching up the Sig P226 TacOps at $1100 per person, the boss told me I could get a back up pistol. I chose the S&W SD9VE since I was always around the ANA and that was their handgun. I kept my Krink for this same reason rather than the M4, too. My boss chose the 1911. After the KAF ASP told me there was no .45ACP to be had - anywhere - I went to every SF Unit I had contact with and finally got lucky at Camp Brown. Even then, I still only managed to get 3 50rnd boxes. |
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I'm a 1911 guy, I have a few. I recently have bought a couple Glocks, and I look at that picture and just think that if I was going to war I would want the 1911. I like both but am mostly a 9mm/Glock guy. If I was going to war and had to play by NATO rules, my first choice would be neither. If I'm stuck with FMJ's, I'd prefer a .45ACP. If I'm in the sandbox or jungle, I'd prefer a Glock. So the answer for me would be a G21SF, preferably with +2 base pads. 15+1 rounds of .45ACP FMJ's and Glock reliability, pretty nice combo IMO! My second choice would be a G17 or G34 w/+2 basepads. If I had to pick from the options given, then I'd go with the G19. |
MARSOC since its part of SOCOM can carry their M45A1, M9 or G19s. They (MARSOC) got my last can (1000rds) of .45 from me this spring down range. Didn't seen any G19s carried by MARSOC when I visited their AOB couple weeks ago when I was there inspecting my miniguns there. Here's a SOCOM 1911A1 and G19 I carried in Astan last Dec. They do have factory night sights and I work on them too. My preference is to a M1911A1 then M9 followed last by the G19 but that's my personnel taste. I've got a loooooong history with all three.
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I'm a 1911 guy, I have a few. I recently have bought a couple Glocks, and I look at that picture and just think that if I was going to war I would want the 1911. As a 1911 guy, I would carry the G19 in almost every situation. I'm a 1911 guy too, and would carry the Glock. Lighter, more ammo, etc I've been a 1911 guy and would carry a Glock 19 over a 1911 for everything except maybe a Bullseye match. I use to be a 1911 guy but the Glock does everything the 1911 does but does it with more rounds, lighter weight, does not rust and is more simple. The 1911 has rested in the rear of the safe for years now oiled and put away. |
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I think Sergeant Major Kasal had that worst case scenario. Would he have been better of with a 1911? A 15 round g19 is a wash, but lighter. A g17 splits the difference imo.
But now there a good 18 round m9 mags, the m9a1 with a rail, so Id either want to stay with the m9a1(for simple logistics) or go g17. I know 2-3 rounds may seem unimportant but I can imagine being alone in a Fallujahan house, kabar in one hand, handgun in the other and going empty. Id really like a few extra rounds and the weight difference between the 17 and 19 isnt much. |
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MARSOC since its part of SOCOM can carry their M45A1, M9 or G19s. They (MARSOC) got my last can (1000rds) of .45 from me this spring down range. Didn't seen any G19s carried by MARSOC when I visited their AOB couple weeks ago when I was there inspecting my miniguns there. Here's a SOCOM 1911A1 and G19 I carried in Astan last Dec. They do have factory night sights and I work on them too. My preference is to a M1911A1 then M9 followed last by the G19 but that's my personnel taste. I've got a loooooong history with all three. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/1911_G19_c.jpg CD That's pretty cool, still military or civi contractor? |
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That's pretty cool, still military or civi contractor? Quoted:
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MARSOC since its part of SOCOM can carry their M45A1, M9 or G19s. They (MARSOC) got my last can (1000rds) of .45 from me this spring down range. Didn't seen any G19s carried by MARSOC when I visited their AOB couple weeks ago when I was there inspecting my miniguns there. Here's a SOCOM 1911A1 and G19 I carried in Astan last Dec. They do have factory night sights and I work on them too. My preference is to a M1911A1 then M9 followed last by the G19 but that's my personnel taste. I've got a loooooong history with all three. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/1911_G19_c.jpg CD That's pretty cool, still military or civi contractor? I'm retired now and working as a contractor directly for USSOCOM. CD |
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I know you are speaking the truth, R0N....when I was working in Kandahar back in 2011, my new boss/CEO opened the purse strings a bit and bought us all M4s and the handgun of our choice. I chose the G19 as the replacement for the crappy Taurus 24/7 I had been given by the old boss/owner when I first arrived. Since everyone else was snatching up the Sig P226 TacOps at $1100 per person, the boss told me I could get a back up pistol. I chose the S&W SD9VE since I was always around the ANA and that was their handgun. I kept my Krink for this same reason rather than the M4, too. My boss chose the 1911. After the KAF ASP told me there was no .45ACP to be had - anywhere - I went to every SF Unit I had contact with and finally got lucky at Camp Brown. Even then, I still only managed to get 3 50rnd boxes. Holy shit you carried a Taurus 24/7 pistol in Afghanistan? That is freaking terrifying, I couldn't get a Gen 1 45 to work at the range I couldn't imagine the field. Im guessing this was contractor work? |
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MARSOC since its part of SOCOM can carry their M45A1, M9 or G19s. They (MARSOC) got my last can (1000rds) of .45 from me this spring down range. Didn't seen any G19s carried by MARSOC when I visited their AOB couple weeks ago when I was there inspecting my miniguns there. Here's a SOCOM 1911A1 and G19 I carried in Astan last Dec. They do have factory night sights and I work on them too. My preference is to a M1911A1 then M9 followed last by the G19 but that's my personnel taste. I've got a loooooong history with all three. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/1911_G19_c.jpg CD Very cool, thanks for your insight. Off topic, but someone else mentioned it as well…anything different about the socom M9s? or just standard issue military. |
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Very cool, thanks for your insight. Off topic, but someone else mentioned it as well…anything different about the socom M9s? or just standard issue military. Quoted:
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MARSOC since its part of SOCOM can carry their M45A1, M9 or G19s. They (MARSOC) got my last can (1000rds) of .45 from me this spring down range. Didn't seen any G19s carried by MARSOC when I visited their AOB couple weeks ago when I was there inspecting my miniguns there. Here's a SOCOM 1911A1 and G19 I carried in Astan last Dec. They do have factory night sights and I work on them too. My preference is to a M1911A1 then M9 followed last by the G19 but that's my personnel taste. I've got a loooooong history with all three. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/1911_G19_c.jpg CD Very cool, thanks for your insight. Off topic, but someone else mentioned it as well…anything different about the socom M9s? or just standard issue military. SOCOM receives standard run of the mill M9s. The only exception was around the First Gulf war we used some that had a slide lock and suppressor. MARSOC may have some of the M9A1s that the Corps bought. 
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No, not really. Show me a man with a 9mm through the heartwith any fight left. Quoted:
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45ACP FMJ > 9mm FMJ. No, not really. Show me a man with a 9mm through the heartwith any fight left. I don't disagree but if it's got to be ball I'd rather have the one that makes the bigger hole. |
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I don't disagree but if it's got to be ball I'd rather have the one that makes the bigger hole. Quoted:
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45ACP FMJ > 9mm FMJ. No, not really. Show me a man with a 9mm through the heartwith any fight left. I don't disagree but if it's got to be ball I'd rather have the one that makes the bigger hole. and you can do that while I carry more bullets to put down more threats. Freedom is great like that 
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and you can do that while I carry more bullets to put down more threats. Freedom is great like that
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45ACP FMJ > 9mm FMJ. No, not really. Show me a man with a 9mm through the heartwith any fight left. I don't disagree but if it's got to be ball I'd rather have the one that makes the bigger hole. and you can do that while I carry more bullets to put down more threats. Freedom is great like that
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Oh boy..... Here we go again. Calm down girls. Quoted:
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45ACP FMJ > 9mm FMJ. No, not really. Show me a man with a 9mm through the heartwith any fight left. I don't disagree but if it's got to be ball I'd rather have the one that makes the bigger hole. and you can do that while I carry more bullets to put down more threats. Freedom is great like that
Oh boy..... Here we go again. Calm down girls. I wasnt arguing. Que the beer toasting emoticons |
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I'm a 1911 guy, I have a few. I recently have bought a couple Glocks, and I look at that picture and just think that if I was going to war I would want the 1911. I'd rather have the Glock if I was going to war. More reliable, more ammo in the mag, lighter. It's a pistol. If you are going to your pistol in a war, shit's fucked. |