Posted: 1/28/2015 11:43:16 AM EDT
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OK, I expect to get a lot of people questioning why I would do this. To answer your question before you ask, because I want to. I have several 19's, always liked the Commander sized 1911's the best, and wanted to try some Glock grip work. I saw a post here many years ago about someone doing something similar to this so I decided to give it a try.
Before anyone says I ruined a perfectly good G19, that was already done to it with a failed stippling job. I'm experimenting on this and if it doesn't work out I'll just send it back to Glock and get a replacement G19 frame, that I'll have to grind the finger grooves off of, and stipple in the pattern that DID work out (my 2nd attempt). I started with one of my many 19's, this one a PD trade-in, and decided I wanted a full sized grip. I got an A&G magazine adapter to use a 17 mag in a 19. I used a Dremel to cut two grooves on each side. I used some stiff metal rod, beveled the joint like you would when you weld two pieces of metal together, ground the surfaces rough and used fiberglass resin to hold it all together. I also removed the finger grooves, which don't come close to lining up with my fingers, and filled the checkering with fiberglass. I also ground the indents for the thumb rest and filled those in, too. I rounded the hook on the front of the triggerguard, which the use for went out with Miami Vice, anyway. The grip adapter is designed to have a tight fit, because it's supposed to stay on the magazine. I had to open up the inside dimensions to allow for the easy insertion of the magazine. I also had to fill the inside surface of the joint to prevent the mag from catching on it when inserted. I still have some smoothing to do. I'm also adding a metal reinforced beavertail and an angle piece to the rear of the magwell to act as a guide, like this plug does: 
So, here's my work in progress. It's pretty ugly so far, but when the textured finish goes on after the rest of the fiberglass work is done, it will look a lot better. 
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That would not be a commander a 17 frame adapted to work with a 19 slide would be a commander. Quoted:
Quoted: Wouldn't it be simpler to cut a 17 frame? That would not be a commander a 17 frame adapted to work with a 19 slide would be a commander. Good, good. How would you adapt a 17 frame to work w/ a 19 slide without cutting? 
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To me...the only sensible option is fitting a 26 slide to a 19 frame then putting an X-Grip extension onto the 17 Mag like I have done here to my G19. Its common knowledge that the 19 barrels do not work in the 17 dues to different locking surfaces on the barrel and frame...BUT THE 26 slide will accept 19 barrels...the 26 slide IMHO be a perfect match for the 19 frame for a true Commander style conversion...
Worried about short sight radius? Run a G19 Match barrel that has been threaded and an RMR...or simply run this iteration... This is my current version of the Glock Commander concept although the 26 slide on a 19 frame setup like below is intriguing... GEN III G19 lower, running a brand new Suarez International V3 Slide in Smoke Grey with SI Suppressor sights, a Storm Lake Threaded Match Barrel and a Trijicon RMR 01 with a G17 mag and a Pierce X-Grip extension.  </a>" />
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Good, good. How would you adapt a 17 frame to work w/ a 19 slide without cutting? Quoted:
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Quoted: Wouldn't it be simpler to cut a 17 frame? That would not be a commander a 17 frame adapted to work with a 19 slide would be a commander. Good, good. How would you adapt a 17 frame to work w/ a 19 slide without cutting? Honestly never thought about it I would image it would involve cutting a 17 barrel to a 19 length and trimming the frame of the 17 to fit the 19 slide. |
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Honestly never thought about it I would image it would involve cutting a 17 barrel to a 19 length and trimming the frame of the 17 to fit the 19 slide. Quoted:
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Quoted: Wouldn't it be simpler to cut a 17 frame? That would not be a commander a 17 frame adapted to work with a 19 slide would be a commander. Good, good. How would you adapt a 17 frame to work w/ a 19 slide without cutting? Honestly never thought about it I would image it would involve cutting a 17 barrel to a 19 length and trimming the frame of the 17 to fit the 19 slide. A G17 and G19 barrel are not interchangable...different locking configuration on the barrels...you can't cut down the dust cover on a G17 frame and run a G19 slide and barrel...won't work...now..a G19 barrel will work in a G26 slide...people take 19 barrels cut and thread tonmake suppressor barrels for G26's...recently at a LGS I took a 26 and 19 apart and examined the closely...the rear portion of the slides are identical...the slide rail in the front are slightly off...but would probably work...so I think a 26 slide might work on a 19 frame...you might end up cutting the dust cover to match up if it did in fact work...but I suspect if you had trouble it would be the interaction betweenbthe front slide rails and the 26 slide interfering |
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A G17 and G19 barrel are not interchangable...different locking configuration on the barrels...you can't cut down the dust cover on a G17 frame and run a G19 slide and barrel...won't work...now..a G19 barrel will work in a G26 slide...people take 19 barrels cut and thread tonmake suppressor barrels for G26's...recently at a LGS I took a 26 and 19 apart and examined the closely...the rear portion of the slides are identical...the slide rail in the front are slightly off...but would probably work...so I think a 26 slide might work on a 19 frame...you might end up cutting the dust cover to match up if it did in fact work... Quoted:
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Quoted: Wouldn't it be simpler to cut a 17 frame? That would not be a commander a 17 frame adapted to work with a 19 slide would be a commander. Good, good. How would you adapt a 17 frame to work w/ a 19 slide without cutting? Honestly never thought about it I would image it would involve cutting a 17 barrel to a 19 length and trimming the frame of the 17 to fit the 19 slide. A G17 and G19 barrel are not interchangable...different locking configuration on the barrels...you can't cut down the dust cover on a G17 frame and run a G19 slide and barrel...won't work...now..a G19 barrel will work in a G26 slide...people take 19 barrels cut and thread tonmake suppressor barrels for G26's...recently at a LGS I took a 26 and 19 apart and examined the closely...the rear portion of the slides are identical...the slide rail in the front are slightly off...but would probably work...so I think a 26 slide might work on a 19 frame...you might end up cutting the dust cover to match up if it did in fact work... That is why I said cut a 17 barrel to a 19. |
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That is why I said cut a 17 barrel to a 19. CONFUSED...So you cut a 17 barre to a 19 length? Then what slide does it fit in? The concept of a Commander is a full size frame and a shorter slide...I get that by running a G19 and an X-GRIP and a G19 slide...full size frame and short slide...HOWEVER...and even better version might be a 26 Slide on a G19 frame with or without the X-GRIP extension... |
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CONFUSED...So you cut a 17 barre to a 19 length? Then what slide does it fit in? The concept of a Commander is a full size frame and a shorter slide...I get that by running a G19 and an X-GRIP and a G19 slide...full size frame and short slide...HOWEVER...and even better version might be a 26 Slide on a G19 frame with or without the X-GRIP extension... Quoted:
That is why I said cut a 17 barrel to a 19. CONFUSED...So you cut a 17 barre to a 19 length? Then what slide does it fit in? The concept of a Commander is a full size frame and a shorter slide...I get that by running a G19 and an X-GRIP and a G19 slide...full size frame and short slide...HOWEVER...and even better version might be a 26 Slide on a G19 frame with or without the X-GRIP extension... Probably not possible but if it was it would require a 17 barrel to be cut to 19 length in a 19 slide. Not sure if it will work but the frame will be to long so it would have to be trimmed back making the rail useless. |
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Probably not possible but if it was it would require a 17 barrel to be cut to 19 length in a 19 slide. Not sure if it will work but the frame will be to long so it would have to be trimmed back making the rail useless. Quoted:
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That is why I said cut a 17 barrel to a 19. CONFUSED...So you cut a 17 barre to a 19 length? Then what slide does it fit in? The concept of a Commander is a full size frame and a shorter slide...I get that by running a G19 and an X-GRIP and a G19 slide...full size frame and short slide...HOWEVER...and even better version might be a 26 Slide on a G19 frame with or without the X-GRIP extension... Probably not possible but if it was it would require a 17 barrel to be cut to 19 length in a 19 slide. Not sure if it will work but the frame will be to long so it would have to be trimmed back making the rail useless. A G17 barrel cut to whatever length you want WILL NOT WORK IN A 19 SLIDE or FRAME...since the only non surgical viable option is a G19 slide on a G19 frame with a X-GRIP to provie the frame size of a 17...the surgical option is figuring out if the 26 slide will function on a 19 frame and if so cutting the dust cover accessory rail to match up with the end of the shorter 26 slide...adding an X-Grip would yield a 26 slide and barrel on a 17 size frame |
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Or, instead of trying to adapt a 19 slide and barrel to a 17 frame to utilize the full size grip with a shorter slide, you could always start with a G19 and lengthen the grip to full size dimensions. That way you aren't messing with the mechanics of the firearm.
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Or, instead of trying to adapt a 19 slide and barrel to a 17 frame to utilize the full size grip with a shorter slide, you could always start with a G19 and lengthen the grip to full size dimensions. That way you aren't messing with the mechanics of the firearm. Wish I thought of that option earlier! Lol |
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I know where this will end up cause I built one a while back myself. The biggest drawback to me was the texturing had to be done with epoxy. I also had an issue with the added section of the grip, it eventually cracked at the joint, and so I scraped the project. I have done a ton of grip chops on G17 to 19, leaving the backstrap flush with the G19 magazines, Travis Haley made this cut popular. I absolutely loved the grip feel with this mod, but prefer the G19 length so what I did was come up with a way to extend the back strap on the G19 to give the palm a bit more real estate. I have done three for testing, and none have failed. Being they were done with parent Glock Polymer they were easily textured with heat, just like I do on my reductions. I have med to small hands and it fits my hands perfectly. Testing complete on this mod I will be offering it soon in limited numbers.
Here is my 4th gen G19 with the extension. 
Here are the other two I have done, both 3rd gen G19's 
For fun here is what a chopped 19 looks like. 19 slide length with 26 grip dimensions. 
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I know where this will end up cause I built one a while back myself. The biggest drawback to me was the texturing had to be done with epoxy. I also had an issue with the added section of the grip, it eventually cracked at the joint, and so I scraped the project. I have done a ton of grip chops on G17 to 19, leaving the backstrap flush with the G19 magazines, Travis Haley made this cut popular. I absolutely loved the grip feel with this mod, but prefer the G19 length so what I did was come up with a way to extend the back strap on the G19 to give the palm a bit more real estate. I have done three for testing, and none have failed. Being they were done with parent Glock Polymer they were easily textured with heat, just like I do on my reductions. I have med to small hands and it fits my hands perfectly. Testing complete on this mod I will be offering it soon in limited numbers. Here is my 4th gen G19 with the extension. http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Texaspoff/DSC_0025_zpsd8b34347.jpg Here are the other two I have done, both 3rd gen G19's http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Texaspoff/DSC_0008_zpsf3028baa.jpg For fun here is what a chopped 19 looks like. 19 slide length with 26 grip dimensions. http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Texaspoff/DSC_0463.jpg TXPO Those look great. I was concerned with the joint cracking, too. That's why I grooved both sides out and put four metal rods in there as stiffeners. If it doesn't work out I'll just send it back to Glock, pay whatever they charge for a new frame now and get a replacement. |
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Those look great. I was concerned with the joint cracking, too. That's why I grooved both sides out and put four metal rods in there as stiffeners. If it doesn't work out I'll just send it back to Glock, pay whatever they charge for a new frame now and get a replacement. Quoted:
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I know where this will end up cause I built one a while back myself. The biggest drawback to me was the texturing had to be done with epoxy. I also had an issue with the added section of the grip, it eventually cracked at the joint, and so I scraped the project. I have done a ton of grip chops on G17 to 19, leaving the backstrap flush with the G19 magazines, Travis Haley made this cut popular. I absolutely loved the grip feel with this mod, but prefer the G19 length so what I did was come up with a way to extend the back strap on the G19 to give the palm a bit more real estate. I have done three for testing, and none have failed. Being they were done with parent Glock Polymer they were easily textured with heat, just like I do on my reductions. I have med to small hands and it fits my hands perfectly. Testing complete on this mod I will be offering it soon in limited numbers. Here is my 4th gen G19 with the extension. http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Texaspoff/DSC_0025_zpsd8b34347.jpg Here are the other two I have done, both 3rd gen G19's http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Texaspoff/DSC_0008_zpsf3028baa.jpg For fun here is what a chopped 19 looks like. 19 slide length with 26 grip dimensions. http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/Texaspoff/DSC_0463.jpg TXPO Those look great. I was concerned with the joint cracking, too. That's why I grooved both sides out and put four metal rods in there as stiffeners. If it doesn't work out I'll just send it back to Glock, pay whatever they charge for a new frame now and get a replacement. You might be ok using the reinforcements that you did. The other thing was texturing. The resins used for creating the grip can't be textured with heat. I can't stand sprayed on or epoxy texturing. It wears and flakes off, and I prefer using heat to apply the texturing. It should be nice when you finish it though, looking forward to the pics. TXPO |
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Your gun do whatever but don't expect Glock to give you a frame to fix your failed Frankenstein creation. Quoted:
I'm experimenting on this and if it doesn't work out I'll just send it back to Glock and get a replacement G19 frame Your gun do whatever but don't expect Glock to give you a frame to fix your failed Frankenstein creation. I don't expect Glock to replace the frame for free. Glock charges $100-150 for a replacement and I'm willing to pay that, just like I said here: Quoted:
Those look great. I was concerned with the joint cracking, too. That's why I grooved both sides out and put four metal rods in there as stiffeners. If it doesn't work out I'll just send it back to Glock, pay whatever they charge for a new frame now and get a replacement. |