Posted: 7/27/2014 6:27:19 PM EDT
| I am sure this has been asked before,but I could not find the thread. I understand that a "Good Shoot is a Good Shoot". I also know that any grey area can be exploited in court. Just looking to get some various opinions of making changes such as a NY1 or NY2 springs and 3.5 pound connector. I am on the fence about this at the moment. Any inputs would be appreciated,Thank You in advance. |
| I have modified pretty much every firearm I own in one way or another, including my carry Glocks. With my Glocks, it's mostly grip mods like undercutting the trigger guard and stippling. I have yet to mess with the connectors because I'm satisfied with the .25 trigger job. I imagine that you're o.k. as long as it doesn't make the firearm unsafe or more likely to cause negligent discharges. |
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There are about as many opinions on this as there are guns. I really couldn't see what ground anybody would have to prosecute you, if you have a legit resason to use deadly force. IE. bad guy in your house (in Texas). You could shoot his ass TRYING TO GET IN YOUR HOUSE here, and be legit.
That said, Massad Ayoob, among others, tells tales of the FBI crime lab testing guns, and when it has a single part modified or changed, said guys getting ass raped. I can't see it, and it makes no sense, not at least where I live. All that said, my Glocks are all potential defense weapons, and I don't fuck with them, just in case. I guess you never know. |
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Using hollow points those lethal children killers, nope, hollow points minimize over penetration and collateral damage. Put new sights on the gun, the better to shoot people, nope. less chance of missing and injuring an innocent. Trigger work, nope, better trigger, better control, better accuracy, less chance of, you guessed it the likely hood of injuring an innocent bystander. Unless you do something really stupid, like adjusting the trigger for a 4oz break, I would think that a good attorney could justify work done on the gun used in an SD situation. |
| Ianal, but in my mind, it's the equivalent of getting in a car accident after you've put high performance brake pads on your car. The accident still happened, nothing can change that. Your modification to your car didn't cause the accident, you were actually trying to make your car better and safer. |
| If you do something stupid a civil suit may bring anything possible into the equation but otherwise I think you'd be fine. I personally tend towards OEM parts (the NY1 and 3.5 would fit that description) but I really don't see an aftermarket connector or any other part causing you any grief. |
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Ianal, but in my mind, it's the equivalent of getting in a car accident after you've put high performance brake pads on your car. The accident still happened, nothing can change that. Your modification to your car didn't cause the accident, you were actually trying to make your car better and safer. This. Among the least of my instructor's qualifications are state certified law enforcement firearms instructor. He says if the modification is for ergonomics or to enhance reliability then go ahead. The better your firearm fits you and functions the better equipped you are to use it properly and hit your intended target (and not hit non-targets). Why is my carry weapon modified? It has a more crisp trigger (but same weight) as stock because it improved my accuracy. The grip is stippled so I can maintain better control. My defense would go something like "At the recommendation of my personal defense instructor I made these changes so I am better able to control my firearm so I never accidentally hurt someone unintentionally." |
| Thanks for all the inputs. I too tend to believe if it is done to improve the trigger,without making it dangerously light,it should be ok. I really like the feel of the NY1 with the 3.5 connector. Just the connector alone is a little light for me. I believe the spring and connector is the route I will go. |
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There are about as many opinions on this as there are guns. I really couldn't see what ground anybody would have to prosecute you, if you have a legit resason to use deadly force. IE. bad guy in your house (in Texas). You could shoot his ass TRYING TO GET IN YOUR HOUSE here, and be legit. That said, Massad Ayoob, among others, tells tales of the FBI crime lab testing guns, and when it has a single part modified or changed, said guys getting ass raped. I can't see it, and it makes no sense, not at least where I live. All that said, my Glocks are all potential defense weapons, and I don't fuck with them, just in case. I guess you never know. Quoted:
There are about as many opinions on this as there are guns. I really couldn't see what ground anybody would have to prosecute you, if you have a legit resason to use deadly force. IE. bad guy in your house (in Texas). You could shoot his ass TRYING TO GET IN YOUR HOUSE here, and be legit. That said, Massad Ayoob, among others, tells tales of the FBI crime lab testing guns, and when it has a single part modified or changed, said guys getting ass raped. I can't see it, and it makes no sense, not at least where I live. All that said, my Glocks are all potential defense weapons, and I don't fuck with them, just in case. I guess you never know. Yet he, at least at one time, said his home defense pistol was a Taurus with a 6" ported barrel, said to give 357MAG like performance with CorBon +P+ ammo. Blah blah blah. Gun rags nonsense. Quoted:
Mine is modified - sights, finger groove removal, trigger guard undercut, and trigger work. Same. No worries. |
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There are about as many opinions on this as there are guns. I really couldn't see what ground anybody would have to prosecute you, if you have a legit resason to use deadly force. IE. bad guy in your house (in Texas). You could shoot his ass TRYING TO GET IN YOUR HOUSE here, and be legit. That said, Massad Ayoob, among others, tells tales of the FBI crime lab testing guns, and when it has a single part modified or changed, said guys getting ass raped. I can't see it, and it makes no sense, not at least where I live. All that said, my Glocks are all potential defense weapons, and I don't fuck with them, just in case. I guess you never know. IMHO, Ayoob is out to lunch on this issue. A good shoot is a good shoot, especially if you are in a State with good laws. If you live in a shit-hole State then you might have bigger issues to begin with. Giving a Glock a crisper trigger improves it's accuracy and helps mitigate collateral damage. Any expert witness in a court of law could explain this with ease. |
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IMHO, Ayoob is out to lunch on this issue. A good shoot is a good shoot, especially if you are in a State with good laws. If you live in a shit-hole State then you might have bigger issues to begin with. Giving a Glock a crisper trigger improves it's accuracy and helps mitigate collateral damage. Any expert witness in a court of law could explain this with ease. Quoted:
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There are about as many opinions on this as there are guns. I really couldn't see what ground anybody would have to prosecute you, if you have a legit resason to use deadly force. IE. bad guy in your house (in Texas). You could shoot his ass TRYING TO GET IN YOUR HOUSE here, and be legit. That said, Massad Ayoob, among others, tells tales of the FBI crime lab testing guns, and when it has a single part modified or changed, said guys getting ass raped. I can't see it, and it makes no sense, not at least where I live. All that said, my Glocks are all potential defense weapons, and I don't fuck with them, just in case. I guess you never know. IMHO, Ayoob is out to lunch on this issue. A good shoot is a good shoot, especially if you are in a State with good laws. If you live in a shit-hole State then you might have bigger issues to begin with. Giving a Glock a crisper trigger improves it's accuracy and helps mitigate collateral damage. Any expert witness in a court of law could explain this with ease. This Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
| I make modifications to my pistols if, to my satisfaction, those changes improve my accuracy or my ability to use the gun well. I assume modern firearms are generally built safe, but modern triggers are all over the map. Trigger quality & control and accuracy are so linked that I think it is in everyone's best interests for projectiles to have the maximum opportunity to end up where they were intended to end up. Hopefully, I never have to defend myself with a gun or to a jury but I like my chances better with a quality trigger in both instances. |
Yes, why not?  This sounds like the same thing as "I don't wear gun shirts because they make me a target!" 
ETA: That said, I'm not talking about retarded shit like making your own hollowpoints, engraving something about killing people on the gun, etc. I mean performance related, such as disconnector, sights, ext mag/slide release. |
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I will with proven parts, which in my mind is pretty much just Glock OEM.
I swapped out the trigger bar on both 19's with one for a Glock 17(smooth faced trigger), polished the trigger bar and connector contact points, and installed NY1 trigger springs in both. Smooth trigger pull. The NY1 spring is definitely a good upgrade for a combat Glock. With the stock connector and both the bar and connector polished I did not find the final break weight to be appreciably heavier. |
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Im a fan of the saying "If it aint broke, dont fix it" for CCW guns. If it runs 100%, im not gonna fuck with it if its mechanical. Looks? Sure/ Grips, sights, whatevever. But i dont run mags, triggers or ammo for ccw that i havent tested ft atleast 500+ flawless rounds.
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| On my glocks duty(with chiefs approval) and personal I have a glock 3.5 pound connector bar and extended slide stop and night sights, I can shoot better with the pound knocked off the trigger and it's all glock factory parts installed by a certified armorer, I think it's all easy to make a case for having in court. I think any custom work is good to go unless the trigger is so light you have a ND. I would stay away from the smile wait for flash engraved on the muzzle and grim reaper slide covers. Just my .02 |
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Are you an officer? Otherwise I don't get it. Quoted:
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I have a copy of the largest police departments policy on firearms. I only do what that department allows to its own firearms. It doesnt allow internal modifications. Are you an officer? Otherwise I don't get it. The theory is the department paid big money to potentially escape any liability from modifications to firearms in the course of an OIS. Of course this is only theory, and maybe Im a bit obsessed with avoiding any liability whenever possible. I currently work in an attorneys office. |
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My issue with this is those rules are written by beaurocrats for the lowest common denominator and with the soul concern for liability, not winning gunfights.
As an LEO, if I had the choice not to be handicapped by those rules I wouldn't be. My 2 cents Quoted:
The theory is the department paid big money to potentially escape any liability from modifications to firearms in the course of an OIS. Of course this is only theory, and maybe Im a bit obsessed with avoiding any liability whenever possible. I currently work in an attorneys office. Quoted:
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I have a copy of the largest police departments policy on firearms. I only do what that department allows to its own firearms. It doesnt allow internal modifications. Are you an officer? Otherwise I don't get it. The theory is the department paid big money to potentially escape any liability from modifications to firearms in the course of an OIS. Of course this is only theory, and maybe Im a bit obsessed with avoiding any liability whenever possible. I currently work in an attorneys office. |
| What if you chop grip from G22 to G22 size under cut trigger guard and filed down to fit your hand. Added night sights and a Storm Lake barrel. Is this too much modification to every day carry? Fits my hand great and can ring the gong at 100 yards with it. Would love to carry this in my new Incog holster. If I had to shoot wouldn't want to go to jail for the modification. Will try to post a picture soon. |
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http://i58.tinypic.com/9zlk5h.jpg This is my Glock 22 I want to carry feels so comfortable and shoots so well. I cut it filled the channel with epoxy and sanded to fit. What say you for every day carry? I say whatever puts more rounds on targert faster wins. My logic is pretty simple 
HTR. |
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So what about HD guns? Do you guys feel them same? CCW: G17, trijicon sights and 3.5 connector. (Glock connector). BUG: G26, Trijicon sights, 3.5 conector (Glock connector). HD: G34, streamlight TLR1, trijicon sights, 3.5 connector (Glock connector) HD: REM 870 with plus two extension, saddle carrier.and tact.light. Stick.to OEM parts and you'll.be fine. HTR Edited, sorry for all the typos. |
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Quoted: CCW: G17, trijicon sights and 3.5 connector. (Glock connector). BUG: G26, Trijicon sights, 3.5 conector (Glock connector). HD: G34, streamlightstreamlight SLR1, trijicon sights, 3.4 connect (Glock connector) HD: REM 870 with plus two.extension, saddle carrier.and tact.light. Stick.to OEM parts and you'll.be fine. HTR Quoted: Quoted: So what about HD guns? Do you guys feel them same? CCW: G17, trijicon sights and 3.5 connector. (Glock connector). BUG: G26, Trijicon sights, 3.5 conector (Glock connector). HD: G34, streamlightstreamlight SLR1, trijicon sights, 3.4 connect (Glock connector) HD: REM 870 with plus two.extension, saddle carrier.and tact.light. Stick.to OEM parts and you'll.be fine. HTR Threw the stock connector back in and everything worked perfectly.
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http://i58.tinypic.com/9zlk5h.jpg This is my Glock 22 I want to carry feels so comfortable and shoots so well. I cut it filled the channel with epoxy and sanded to fit. What say you for every day carry? Dude, Glocks are not the prettiest guns around. You done made it uglier. |