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2/13/2005 3:25:02 AM EDT
I would like to put an 8lb trigger onto my glock 26.  Topglock.com

New York trigger spring #1 rated at ±8 pounds
*can not be used with an 8 pound connector

it says it is Olive.  I would have to have an armor install this.  does this 8lb trigger put any more strain on other parts?

Do I need to order any other parts then just this one olive colored trigger for 2.95

I do not know what a connector does but they are listed next to the triggers
2/13/2005 3:33:24 AM EDT
[#1]
If your Glock came stock with a 5lb connector (most Glocks are) all you need is the olive NY1 trigger spring.  Glock puts that warning out there because.  There are guns with 8lb connectors if you use a NY1 trigger spring with a 8lb connector it may not reset the trigger sometimes.  

Some people use a 3.5lb connector with the NY1 spring.  Which makes the take up much heavier but the total break is about 6-6.5lbs.   If you look around you can probably find an old black NY spring.  I like these much better these are a little smoother and lighter than the green ones, they use a flat spring instead of a coil spring.
2/13/2005 3:48:42 AM EDT
[#2]
Some people use a 3.5lb connector with the NY1 spring. Which makes the take up much heavier but the total break is about 6-6.5lbs.

I do not completely understand what you mean.  If it moves the weight to 6-6.5lbs then it is not 8lbs anymore.  

Can you please explain this more?
2/13/2005 5:53:35 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Some people use a 3.5lb connector with the NY1 spring. Which makes the take up much heavier but the total break is about 6-6.5lbs.

I do not completely understand what you mean.  If it moves the weight to 6-6.5lbs then it is not 8lbs anymore.  

Can you please explain this more?



The "weight" of the spring is directly responsible for the resistance felt during the first "stage" (yeah, I know it is not technically a "two stage" trigger, but I think you all understand what I mean) of the pull...what some may describe as "take up". The connector angle is responsible for most of the resistance felt during that last 1/8 to 1/10in. that actually releases the striker (firing pin), causing the pistol to fire.

The flat "V" spring adds resistance so that the pull is a bit more revolver-like...in other words, a bit more consistant...from start to finish. With the combination of the 3.5ib. connector and NY spring, you will get roughly a 6.0 to 6.5lb. pull, but trying to rate Glock "pull weights" is not as simple as with other pistols.

Clear as mud now?
2/13/2005 6:02:01 AM EDT
[#4]
Why do you want an 8lb trigger?

Also the 3.5 connector and NY1 spring combo, supposedly makes the trigger pull consistent from start to finnish. Instead of mushy at first, with trigger pull rising until ignnition.
2/13/2005 6:11:21 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
The "weight" of the spring is directly responsible for the resistance felt during the first "stage" (yeah, I know it is not technically a "two stage" trigger, but I think you all understand what I mean) of the pull...what some may describe as "take up". The connector angle is responsible for most of the resistance felt during that last 1/8 to 1/10in. that actually releases the striker (firing pin), causing the pistol to fire.

The flat "V" spring adds resistance so that the pull is a bit more revolver-like...in other words, a bit more consistant...from start to finish. With the combination of the 3.5ib. connector and NY spring, you will get roughly a 6.0 to 6.5lb. pull, but trying to rate Glock "pull weights" is not as simple as with other pistols.

Clear as mud now?



Well put
2/13/2005 6:31:58 AM EDT
[#6]
I can't imagine why anybody other than a member of NYPD would want an 8# trigger on a Glock.  Heavier trigger pull means less accuracy.  Also don't understand why anybody'd want a NY spring in a Glock, as you're going to get a revolver-like trigger pull.  I use Scherer 3.5# connectors with factory coil trigger springs in my Glocks.  My Glocks' triggers pull from just over 3# to just under 4#.  Works for me.  
2/13/2005 6:53:46 AM EDT
[#7]
I will take it to the range and see how I like it stock.  Then decide if I want to go with the 8lb trigger and the 3.5lb connector or just go with the 8lb connector.  

I will not have the gun untill tuesday or wednesday
2/13/2005 7:49:24 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
I can't imagine why anybody other than a member of NYPD would want an 8# trigger on a Glock.  Heavier trigger pull means less accuracy.  Also don't understand why anybody'd want a NY spring in a Glock, as you're going to get a revolver-like trigger pull.  I use Scherer 3.5# connectors with factory coil trigger springs in my Glocks.  My Glocks' triggers pull from just over 3# to just under 4#.  Works for me.  



You know, I once read an article by "Massage Aboob" (sp?), stating that the coil trigger spring was the "weak link" of the Glock and he had seen them fail frequently. He also went on to say that  the leaf spring design used in the NY triggers was not only more reliable, but provided a faster trigger reset. Taking this hook line and sinker, I had to try all combinations mentioned above. What I have come to realize in the end is exactly what you have stated "Heavier pull  means less accuracy". I also found my finger getting tired during extended range sessions.

As soon as I get out of the "stock is better" mindset, I will venture into experimenting with the Scherer and ghost Rocket connecters. It's just a matter of time
2/13/2005 10:15:27 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I can't imagine why anybody other than a member of NYPD would want an 8# trigger on a Glock.  Heavier trigger pull means less accuracy.  Also don't understand why anybody'd want a NY spring in a Glock, as you're going to get a revolver-like trigger pull.  I use Scherer 3.5# connectors with factory coil trigger springs in my Glocks.  My Glocks' triggers pull from just over 3# to just under 4#.  Works for me.  



+1

A nicely polished Scherer 3.5# is perfect.
2/13/2005 3:20:13 PM EDT
[#10]
Believe it or not, I'm not a big fan of Messiah Adoodi.   I trust my own judgments and knowledge of firearms over his, and certainly trust the advice of real lawyers, judges, and d.a.'s over Messiah's fantasies about legal liabilities of the use of modified weapons in cases of self-defense.  

One of my friends for whom I've installed a 3.5# connector and done substantial polishing  on his Glock is a Superior Court Judge.  I don't believe hizhonor would carry a modified weapon if he thought he'd suffer some liability for doing so.    Hizhonor practiced criminal defense law for over 20 years, prior to being elected judge.  He's also a West Point grad...not exactly a dumbass.  

My current personal concealed carry weapon is a G26 equipped with a Scherer 3.5# connector, G17 trigger bar, Lonewolf Distributors trigger housing with adjustable trigger stop, factory-strength recoil springs with Wolff guide rod set, 10226 Meps, and Agrip.  I always polish every contact surface of the firing mechanism, before I ever take a Glock to the range.
2/13/2005 3:31:02 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
You know, I once read an article by "Massage Aboob" (sp?), stating that the coil trigger spring was the "weak link" of the Glock and he had seen them fail frequently. He also went on to say that  the leaf spring design used in the NY triggers was not only more reliable, but provided a faster trigger reset Taking this hook line and sinker, I had to try all combinations mentioned above. What I have come to realize in the end is exactly what you have stated "Heavier pull  means less accuracy". I also found my finger getting tired during extended range sessions.

As soon as I get out of the "stock is better" mindset, I will venture into experimenting with the Scherer and ghost Rocket connecters. It's just a matter of time



I've broken a trigger spring once in my old gen 1 G17 with over 12K rounds through it.  I try to replace all my springs in carry guns no matter who makes them every 5K now.  
2/13/2005 4:07:23 PM EDT
[#12]
I can't imagine you would have problems with the soccer moms in court for making your firearm "safer" like the New York police did and it was installed by a glock armorer "professional"

Isn't that part of the reason they made the NY1 and NY2 triggers?
2/13/2005 6:25:58 PM EDT
[#13]
Don’t waist your time with the eight pound NY trigger.  The extra weight makes the weapon less accurate.  In truth as far as safety goes an eight-pound trigger is no safer than a five-pound trigger.  Sympathetic reflex is somewhere around 25 to 30 pounds of pressure which is far above the eight or five pound pull.  If you want to have a safe weapon train, train, train, and train some more.  P.S. train properly.
MB
2/13/2005 8:51:29 PM EDT
[#14]
there is still the possibility of something getting between the trigger and trigger guard which can happen.  take the current recall on fobus holsters for instance.

in a life or death situation I have confidense I can pull 8lbs just as easily as 5.5 lbs
2/14/2005 1:12:57 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I've broken a trigger spring once in my old gen 1 G17 with over 12K rounds through it.  I try to replace all my springs in carry guns no matter who makes them every 5K now.  



That...is a good idea.
2/14/2005 1:20:12 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
there is still the possibility of something getting between the trigger and trigger guard which can happen.  take the current recall on fobus holsters for instance.

in a life or death situation I have confidense I can pull 8lbs just as easily as 5.5 lbs



I think the standard Glock trigger requires a good ammount of "intentional" force to discharge the weapon. If you carry it in a good holster, and dont touch the trigger unless you want to shoot, you wont have any problems!

If you're more comfortable with a heavier trigger, have a NY1 trigger installed.
2/14/2005 6:14:27 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
there is still the possibility of something getting between the trigger and trigger guard which can happen.  take the current recall on fobus holsters for instance.

in a life or death situation I have confidense I can pull 8lbs just as easily as 5.5 lbs




I'm pretty sure that the combo used by the NYPD yields a 12# or so pull.  Why don't you try that?  I'm sure you could pull a 12# trigger, should you get in a life-or-death situation.  

As long as you only intend to pull your Glock's trigger in life-or-death situations, you'll probably never notice the difference in a clean, crisp, light trigger pull and a long, heavy trigger pull.